i just mean along the lines of experimental/modern classical CDs that i've had sent to me. european dudes who do sound right. there are great labels that put stuff out that is audiophile-friendly. probably a lot that i've never heard that i couldn't afford! this label for instance does all their new releases on dvd audio and its like being on another planet:
http://www.electrocd.com/en/boutique/empreintesdigitales/
but even people like editions mego make high quality recordings. and techno people probably have their fave sound labels. they're out there, but not the mainstream. even a lot of great clssical labels aren't mainstream.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
all that schnittke stuff i got on deutsche grammophon CDs at that library book sale the other day...wow. just wow. i mean i can dig classical people going all digi and shit. (though at the moment i'm listening to a pristine mono columbia recording of the budapest quartet doing brahms quintets right now on vinyl and it is wow in a completely different way.)
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
the tech is out there. it has been out there! since before compact discs. i love some of the early digital recordings on vinyl. they sound great. its just been this weird one step forward one step back thing as far as pop/rock production goes. i don't know why. i mean their were always bad vinyl recordings too, but they usually weren't unlistenable like bad compact discs/digital productions can be to me. this has nothing to do with the RIAA...sorry.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
there will never be another motown in our lifetimes. or blue note. or atlantic. etc. etc.
I basically disagree with the last ~100 posts. I'm no digital apologist, either. Techniques have changed, tastes have changed, equipment has changed, but I just can't agree that it's b/c of deprecated finances. People will happily hire a Timbaland for 10K a song (I'm picking him b/c I know his price); but for 10K in an analog studio you can do So Much.
Immediately Raphael Saadiq springs to mind, The Roots spring to mind-- I guess they're both the same pool-- Dap-Kings, I suppose. You've got Geoff Barrow making the best-'sounding' Kraut records I've heard outside of Can, all to tape, with an old Synthi...
But the part I do agree with is "there will never be another Blue Note" etc., just as there won't be another Radiohead or another Steely Dan. This is not to say that recorded music of that quality and calibre isn't possible to create, and it will be created. But the phenomenology of "super label" and "super band" is gone.
xp: OK, so this isn't about RIAA any more.
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
@ aero, re: producers. YES yes yes. And there are producers out there who push people around and have a distinct sound but I'm not going to name any of them or state my opinion of their aesthetic
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah like i said i definitely know that there are people capable of making great sound recordings. because i've heard them. but i just think that it was more the norm than the exception in the times (past) that i'm talking about. and there are all kinds of reasons for that. money is only one reason.
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks for the empreintes digitales recommendation, too
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
there used to be people who would very consciously make records that would sound good on an am transistor radio. just as steely dan and others would try to make the optimum fm radio listening experience. and now people tailor music for phones and computers. lots of highs and not a lot of lows. there are lots of different things that people take into account now. and that's even before you get into hardware and software and technology and recording and producing methods. and i don't always like the results! the cut & paste computer production sounds dead to me a lot of the time. (our lord and saviour max martin being one of the exceptions)
its a preference thing. and an age thing.
that's where i'm at. where the record companies come in as that once upon a time there were some good ears at the big labels. now i wonder if they even listen to what they put out at all. cuz some of it sounds really dreadful and i don't think they really care. a lot of the old villains did care! or at least the people they hired to care would care.
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
In a way, I appreciate that consensus seemed to be reached in the 70s that dead, reverb-free environments constituted "good" studio sound, and a lot of artists were able to exploit that to the hilt (the Dan, Fleetwood Mac, Parliament). But it also meant that records as seemingly disparate as Darkness on the Edge of Town and Anthony Braxton's Creative Orchestra Music 1976 were hamstrung: as either Landau or Iovine pointed out in The Promise, even a million-selling artist like Springsteen couldn't record in a studio that didn't have carpet on the walls because now all studios had carpet on the walls. Springsteen and Braxton made some of their best work under a thick, shag pile.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
"People will happily hire a Timbaland for 10K a song (I'm picking him b/c I know his price); but for 10K in an analog studio you can do So Much."
this is key. and also has to do with not caring. in a way.
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
Most of these guys existed at all only because there was such a thing as steady, paying studio work.
Not just that: they probably went to public schools with well-funded (or just plain funded) music programs. Such programs are few and far between, and are always first on the chopping block when municipalities make budget cuts.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 21 June 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
Meanwhile it's all washed up on Sullivan's shores:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/06/who-pays-for-music-ctd.html
That link and this one are pretty much mostly responses and arguments so you're warned:
http://www.facebook.com/TheDishBlog/posts/410451945664597
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link
ha: http://www.theonion.com/articles/kid-rock-starves-to-death,342/
linked from the FB comments
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
People will happily hire a Timbaland for 10K a song (I'm picking him b/c I know his price)
um i hope you haven't hired him or you're gonna be pretty upset when the bill is ~20 times what you expected
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link
i want frogbs tempbanned just for consistently pulling this thread off the trail of interesting/productive discussion about as much as i ever wanted him tempbanned for making creepy racial comments
believe it or not there's a button you can hit so you don't look like a bitch in public, nobody gives a shit if you don't find that discussion interesting
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
if you know about the button why do you always look like a bitch
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:41 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know where you got that 200K/song figure some dude-- although I wouldn't be surprised-- I based my figure on the cost per track of Nelly Furtado's "Loose" (2006) and at the time thought "huh that's cheaper than I would've thought"
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
he probably charges a lower rate per track when doing a whole album but 10k would still be really low for him even in that case. guys in the Timbaland/Dr. Luke class of hitmaker are generally known for charging six figures per song.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
if money were no object I would offer a briefcase full of million dollar bills for a peak era timbaland song of my own
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link
q: if Internet were available freely over the air, would that change how much you'd be willing to pay for music stuff? or media in general? feel like I'd be ok with that money usu set aside for broadband going towards my local newspaper's online edition, spotify, other things I usually expect for free when I pay for Internet service
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
shd say "expect will be free"feel like the newspaper industry's collapse is an interesting analog for which there is no similar moral highmindedness for using Craigslist instead of classifieds or reading news online for free or what have u
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
hey some dude & frogbs I flagged both of you for being grown men actually calling each other "bitch" like a couple of stupid fucking children
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
that's right you heard me I flagged your posts, the stain will be with them forever
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
hardest of men^^^^
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
will the RIAA Armageddon spare no one?!
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
just saying that come the armageddon, our lives are gonna be like this movie so let's be cool w/ each otherhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5uo1jET711qixyapo1_1280.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
hey that movie is pg-13 I don't know if im allowed to see it, can u just give a (clean) synopsis?
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:25 (eleven years ago) link
lou ferrigno plays the dude from cracker
― tylerw, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
whoa easy with the c-word
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
dude it is so insulting to kids to use the word "children" in a derogatory waythink of the children
― DJ Pete Campbell (Ówen P.), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link
not all children are stupid
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:15 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark
honest apology, man -- "he started it" is no excuse but i was just holding up a mirror for an easy zing, i honestly pretty much never throw around that word as an insult
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
speaking of armageddon, virus is public domain and in full on youtube so sleep easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vBAwc23sD8
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know about threads though...couldn't resist watching that on youtube last week...
― scott seward, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:45 (eleven years ago) link
now people tailor music for phones and computers. lots of highs and not a lot of lows.
I don't know how much engineers actually do this. Maybe they do! In any case, don't agree that there aren't a lot of lows now. How much low end is there on "Climax" by Usher?
Sometimes I think "smiley face e.q." might be more of a problem? Lots of highs and lows and not much middle.
― timellison, Thursday, 21 June 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/google-to-shut-down-youtube-ripping-sites/66492/
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 21 June 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link
apology accepted & appreciated some dude I apologize for goin in too hard
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
Meanwhile...
Japan has amended its anti-piracy laws to include penalties of up to two years in prison or a fine of up to 2 million yen (approx £16,000) for illegal downloaders.
― gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
smiley face e.q.!
― Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
side-face noise rating curve
― Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
aero, FP means never having to say you're sorry
ultimately I find it a little irritating that people get racism boners in threads that have fuck all to do with race but ymmv
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
i only mentioned race in relation to you, because that is what people associate you with on this board now. entirely because of your actions.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
if there's a particular comment you have a problem with maybe call it out in the relevant thread, all this bullshit "lets earn brownie points for pointing out bad semantics in a frogs post, otherwise just call him a racist" can't be irritating to just the guy who's constantly under fire
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
oh i have no problem w/ irritating or ostracizing you, i thought that was obvious.
― here's my lumber, so jack me maybe (some dude), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:52 (eleven years ago) link
some dude is awarded 10,000 brownie points for that post^^^
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link
frogbs repels intelligence like a duck repels water and if you call him on it you just get to watch him repel intelligence for 100 more posts. best to ignore imo.
― Impetuous hybrid (Matt P), Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link
lol you have literally not put together a remotely coherant reponse to any of the points i've brought up here, glass houses man
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
c'mon dude
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 21 June 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
like we literally have hundreds of posts here tearing down bad RIAA logic and now we're calling out posters who try to tear down that exact same logic, albeit in the context of "one of our own", how can you wish for intelligent discussion when the average response I get is "you said it's literally free, DO YOU THINK HARD DRIVES ARE FREE? do MB's just come out of thin air?"
― frogbs, Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/99%20Oh,%20Russia.%20You%20crazy..jpg
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 21 June 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link