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There's a movie abt his life being screened tonigth on BBC2 (immortal beloved, Gary Ooldham as beethoven and Isabella Rosselinni stars too).

But I have been listening to a recording of each of the nine symphonies (a 5 CD set a friend let me borrow) as well. I like what I've heard but I'll give more thoughts later.

I wanted to ask if you have any favourites or if 18th century classical just isn't yr thing (and why?). do you have any favourite recordings of his music (do you like piano sonatas, the string quartets, etc). Did you learn anything from listening to his music?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:14 (twenty-three years ago)

We had a portion of the 4th movement of the 9th Symphony sung as our recessional at our wedding.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I would also like to hear more Beethoven, particularly if someone has recs on the piano sonatas and string quartets. Personally, my faves are the 6th and 8th symphonies.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

That's nice. did you choose it?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

dleone- I also have a double CD of his string quartets (the last ones he composed). I got it from the rec library today but I haven't heard them yet...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

search: 7th, 8th and 9th symphonies
destroy: 6th

chaki (chaki), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but what abt the fifth?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's Op. 191, the later string quartets. They're great, very nervy, intense.

g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

the CD I have has Op. 127, 135, 130 and 133.

what does Op. mean BTW?

also: has anyone watched the movie I mention in the question? any good?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Op = "Opus" = a system for cataloguing classical music.

We chose B9 as our recessional because we started dating after singing in a B9 concert in college. Aw.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Immortal Beloved is OK, though I think a bit melodramatic. As big name movies about famous classical composers go, it's #2.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

and no.1 would be the one abt mozart?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, you all should check out 9 Beet Stretch. Someone took Beethoven's 9th Symphony and slowed it waaaay down, to last 24 hours. I listened to a couple parts of the 3rd movement and I found it phenomenally good minimalist music. I couldn't believe how beautiful it was. Anyway, it's worth taking a look at.

Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

nice one

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 September 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the Sixth ("Pastoral") symphony is one of the finest pieces of music written in the past 300 years. Not my head speaking, but my heart. Totally transfixed with it (particularly the 1st movement) when I was 6 years old, and would listen to it over and over and over again. Twenty-four years down the road, I still find it to be just totally passionate, natural, beautiful--in a word: alive. Maybe there isn't such a thing as "timeless" music, but the Pastoral is as pretty damn close as it's ever going to get for me. Recommended version: Bruno Walter conducting.

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 14 September 2002 01:48 (twenty-three years ago)

The "Egmond" overture also kicks much ass from what I remember (great climax towards the end), but it's been many years since I heard it, so I can't recommend a particular version...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 14 September 2002 01:50 (twenty-three years ago)

julio, please pay particular attention to the third movement in the quartet in a minor, op 132. I love love love it.

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 14 September 2002 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

will do.

The movie was really good, the dodgy premise was a good way of telling his life story in flash back. But what made this a winner was the music.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 14 September 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i was looking for that stupid dog but i found THIS!!

http://miller.senate.gov/ZM%20personal%20pictures/Beethoven%20for%20babies.jpg

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 14 September 2002 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

er...thanks for yr 'interesting' contribution.

they are such cuties.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 14 September 2002 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

it is theme-related: click on the link!!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 14 September 2002 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah got it. Beethoven makes you smarter, Xenakis makes you a genius.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 14 September 2002 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

the study to reinforce that was done at my university and actually the effect is ephemeral.

keith, Saturday, 14 September 2002 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to say the 9th symphony was my favourite piece of music by anyone ever. Not sure I still think that (mostly because I don't really think in those terms anymore) but it's still a masterpiece. I like the 5th and 7th also. Those string quartets you've got Julio are excellent, esp. Op131 and the Grossefugue (if that's on there).

Piano Sonatas would be the next thing to check out. I'm not that familiar with these myself, but the Appassionata (sp?) and the Hammerklavier are both astonishing. Then check out the late Schubert sonatas which are even more so.

Jeff W (Jeff W), Monday, 16 September 2002 08:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a recording of four of the piano sonatas that I like a lot. It's a recording by Arthur Rubinstein, and it was recently reissued with improved sound as Rubinstein Collection: Vol. 56. It includes the "Pathetique", the "Moonlight", the "Appasionata" and one other I forget the name of. You'll probably remember the 2nd movement of the "Pathetique" as the piano piece that the girl kept playing in The Man Who Wasn't There. I've heard other recordings of these pieces, but Rubinstein's are for me the definitive ones.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 16 September 2002 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
TRIPLE CONCERTO BITCHES

barenboim, Sunday, 3 July 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

My absolute favorite Beethoven thing ever is the Archduke Piano Trio, especially the recording with Pablo Casals. I like the Beethoven symphonies, but I have to be in the right mood -- they're sort of the Beatles of classical music for me now, such standard fare that I don't often feel inclined to putting it on.

Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 3 July 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
"the beatles of classical music" -- overplayed, overpraised, overwritten about and so the need for 'wrongheaded' versions has never been greater. See what happened to this thread ws that I never made it through to the end of that 5 disc set, nor did I ever make it through to the end of the late string quartets; those in particular are works that I'll always ALWAYS hear extremely gd things about, but, in the end, it ws so much easier to go to schoenberg, 1910-onwards, "classical" music, not least bcz its right to exist seems to be contested somehow. There's just more at stake on the modern stuff and I couldn't be bothered w/him for a long time. having said all that I got to know abt furtwangler's 1942 version, played in berlin (oh yes!). I'm listening to the first movement and its a pretty good recording though you can hear the odd cough in the quieter sections and I'm only through the first movement but its already very CLEAR that it taps into the piece in a way in which a cpl of other version I've heard do not -- its the thunder of the percussion, the strings parts are played to breaking point, and yeah the rec (and the time) adds this tension and fascination (how could it not?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 29 October 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

(1942 versh of the 9th symphony.)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 29 October 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

Even if you perservere with the late qts, it can take years to "get" or even enjoy them...they hardly ever fit your mood, you have to adapt to them. To say it's worth your while to do so is such an understatement I can't really express it properly...

Masked Gazza, Saturday, 29 October 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

as far as the str quartets go I'll be hunting another version -- posted the thread way back in '02 and I'm a v diff listener now. it could be that I'm just that more receptive to these things as I have listened to more alban berg, hans zender re-working schubert, these integrations of the modern and the old. i don't think its so much to do w/mood.

it wd be good to read more on these late str quartets though.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 29 October 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
what's up with the fourth movement of the 5th symphony, about a minute or so in, sounding like the E.T./Superman theme?

poortheatre, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

yeah what's up w/ that?!!?!11

Frogman Henry, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i had to listen to this to get that damn death rattle out of my head.

poortheatre, Monday, 7 May 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

Paul Lewis playin Piano Sonata No. 4 is so insanely good that it's givin me one of those Why Bother With Music Unless It's Beethoven moments

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 26 November 2009 00:31 (sixteen years ago)

i had this seeing the takacs qt doing their beet cycle recently. listened to op.130 on repeat for days afterwards.

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 26 November 2009 00:38 (sixteen years ago)

wow I can only imagine how great that must have been, I have them doing the late quartets and it's WHOA BUDDY BEST MUSIC EVER. would nominate Takacs late q's as best long-drive music ever tbh

a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Thursday, 26 November 2009 00:49 (sixteen years ago)

it was two nights, 3 qts each (the rest in two parts this year), mixing in early, mid and late together.
funny thing is the first night they were really restrained and subtle, and the next they were really feirce and emphatic, really caning it. the finale of op.131 was overwhelming.
i loved that they felt so raw and unadorned and unconcerned with overly interpreting.
though on the second night they seemed more interested in creating a narrative.

Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 26 November 2009 01:04 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

opus 131 (amadeus quartet)

kamerad, Monday, 3 May 2010 01:27 (sixteen years ago)

Beautiful stuff. I just listened to the Budapest Qrt version which slays me.

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 3 May 2010 02:02 (sixteen years ago)

I just saw a local symphony perform the 1st and 9th (with full choral arrangement). Magnificent! And to think the local press wrote off the 1st as a Haydn rip-off...

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:43 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

amazon has one of those 85 CD complete works thangs for the ridiclous price of $30. are these things cool? like, are the performances by east bumfuck orchestras?

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:51 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Beethoven/dp/B004HGQXB8/ref=pd_sim_m_1

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:51 (fifteen years ago)

Is that the Brilliant set? I assume the performances will be a mixed bag, but probably none so terrible that they obscure the music itself. My experience w/ giant box sets like that is that I listen to a couple discs, and then promptly forget about it until I sell the thing.

corey, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:57 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, that's sort of how i imagine this going for me. but it seems like such a deal! and i have gotten a lot out of the budget 32-disc stravinsky thing.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:58 (fifteen years ago)

some good orchestras there (LSO, Staatskapelle Dresden, Wiener Philharmoniker) & Alfred Brendel's great on the Sonatas, but I'm always suspicious of these deals. for sure if you're getting the string quartets, you shouldn't cut any corners - they are some of the most sublime music anywhere.

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 19:59 (fifteen years ago)

here's a review: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/musicnightlife/2004396594_cdreviews07.html
In the "ups" category: the string quartets, those revered Beethoven works, performed by the always-excellent Guarneri Quartet; the terrific Leipzig Gewandhaus Orchestra (led by Kurt Masur) for the symphonies; Henryk Szeryng and the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra (with Bernard Haitink) in the Violin Concerto; and welcome appearances and collaborations.

On the "downs" side: Pianist Friedrich Gulda does not make my heart beat faster in the choice piano sonatas and concertos (even with the Vienna Philharmonic backing him up in the latter). How anyone could make these fiery, colorful works sound matter-of-fact is a source of amazement (compare them with, say, Seattle's Craig Sheppard and his pulse-pounding traversals of the sonatas). And some of those valuable historic recordings, like the Grumiaux/Haskil violin sonatas, are wonderful artistic statements but old enough that the remastered sound takes some getting used to.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 20:05 (fifteen years ago)

i totally just ordered it, what the hell, i spend $30 on way stupider stuff. it's going to be a beethoven summer.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

this complete editions thing just showed up at my door, lol. it's heavy. um, any recommendations on what to play first?

tylerw, Saturday, 4 June 2011 20:54 (fifteen years ago)

Man I totally would have bought that for $30, but not for the $114 its going for now. Let us know what you think when you've had some time to dig in.

the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 4 June 2011 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

eh this guy sucks.
kidding! planning on cranking the symphonies later today! look out world!

tylerw, Sunday, 5 June 2011 18:11 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Pricing mistake alert! The fantastic Jean-Efflam Bavouzet's new 3CD of the first 10 piano sonatas is 6.99 at Amazon MP3. And yes, it's great. Bavouzet is one of the short list of living pianists to get truly excited about.

And if you don't know the early Beethoven sonatas, you've got a REALLY good time ahead of you.

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Piano-Sonatas-Vol-1/dp/B007X7VKMK/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340992195&sr=301-1

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Friday, 29 June 2012 17:50 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

imagine going through a bad breakup in 1823 & then beethoven drops moonlight sonata

— lauren (@unrealshrike) February 23, 2021

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:28 (five years ago)

an x girlfriend ruined my listening to most of beethoven now!

xzanfar, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:54 (five years ago)


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