Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

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Who was more original/influential

ali frazier, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

i dunno but i broke a lamp in my house dancing around to Rudimentary Peni just last week!

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

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J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

what planet is this?

ron (ron), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 03:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

the peni.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 05:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

ive always wanted to get a few things straight.. was Peni really 15 when they recorded Farce and Death Church?

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 06:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

also, are the lyrics to that FOPI song really "i wanna marry a tube disaster"? if so, that's a great line so they win.

dave k, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Douglas Wolk to thread!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

six months pass...
no one answered me and i love PENI

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 08:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

mdc

gaz (gaz), Friday, 4 April 2003 09:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Original: Peni
Influential: FOPI

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Both were generic but Peni

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 4 April 2003 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks".

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

darren (darren), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rudimentary Peni has been a band that I have wanted to check out for a long time. Where would would you recommend to start?

earlnash, Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

DEATH CHURCH!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

earlnash, check out "EPs of RP" - collected EPs, some of their best and most easily accessible stuff. "death church" is also very good, just don't start with any of their late-period albums...

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
both peni and FOPI are killer

ben dover, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 09:46 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
this isn't a competition is it? just listen to both dammit!

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

hey chaki, no they weren't fifteen, nick blinko was 19 when he formed peni

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

thanks, michelle.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

yup

michelle, Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Flux is much more musically creative and enjoyable, lets say to be played at a kickback, w/ fellow punks over some screwdrivers and good conversation. Nick's lyrics however knock the shit outta Flux's and Peni's music would be fun as hell to slam to (oh, if only). It really comes down to if you prefer poetic morbidity and 30 second harcore, or political commentary set to neato catchy Crass like stuff. Last month I would've devoutly claimed that Peni was better, but right now I think it's Flux. -Fin

Kevin Rhea, Friday, 1 August 2003 05:49 (twenty years ago) link

very well stated

michelle, Sunday, 3 August 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

|-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

hahahahhahahahh`~~!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Monday, 25 August 2003 07:11 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
Wow, I never knew that music was a competition! Im surprised that people are mumbling over the creativity of two of the most amazing bands we've seen. Just enjoy the music, not everything has to be a competition in this crazy rat race world.

RadioSchizo, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, plus its too hard to choose. They were both so fucking great.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

An easier one might be Poison Girls -vs- Icons of Filth

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Or Conflict -vs- Discharge That one is a toughie.

It might be a tie.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

For me it might be:

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Peni have a new EP coming out in June or July, I think (also they win)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:09 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
rudimentary peni and flux are very good bands. so it's hard to put one up against the other but sinse i listen more and having rudimentary peni as my fav band i guess i'd choose them. i doubt they were 15 when they wrote those songs.

karie jenk (77 rudiments to reject), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Never cared for either, really. But I hate Rudimentary Peni.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know enough of either to have a preference but I'm very pleased that A) someone asked this question and that B) it actually drew righteous googlers!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:11 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Can we talk about how good the recent Rudi Peni "Underclass" and "Archaic" EP's are? Short, ultra-heavy, memorable songs. And not one mention on this thread about "Cacophony", their best by far... a very unique album of Lovecraft-drenched horror-punk goodies.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

C or D:: Flux "Uncarved Block"

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

awright! ilm unites behind unsung classic!

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

roxymuzak, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link

RFI - Crusty punk

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:42 (sixteen years ago) link

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (sixteen years ago) link

it's true!

J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

sleeve, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link

death church!

chaki, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link

listen to chaki

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:04 (sixteen years ago) link

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

DJ Mencap, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Peni4evah.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 07:51 (sixteen years ago) link

quite apart from anything else the instrumentation is monumental, possibly his best riffs ever underpinned by a seriously and understandably pissed-off rhythm section. and like all the best heatstrokes all the songs linger on and on until you're entranced & damaged beyond repair

imago, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

....and now I'm listening to The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks

fuck me it's AWESOME

imago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:36 (six years ago) link

'The Falklands War' is...monumental

imago, Thursday, 19 October 2017 07:54 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric is firmly ensconced as my summer solstice album :)

imago, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link

Peni is one of those bands from the first Sublime album that I kept meaning to check out but never did.

― how's life, Thursday, 29 September 2016 23:46 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol tbh I'm not really sure if I've ever heard a song by Sublime, but I gather they are somewhat different to Rudimentary Peni

Colonel Poo, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link

this thread reminded me of the sad fact I missed seeing my friends' Rudi Peni cover band last year because I was sick and depressed.

sarahell, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE, POGO POPE
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO
POGO POPE POGO, POGO POPE POGO

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link

I don't think I'm ever going to "get" that record, I still find it unlistenable :(

love all the rest of course

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

WHEN YOU'RE IN A MARTIAN CHURCH

... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 January 2020 03:46 (four years ago) link

I won the Flux of Pink Indians’ 'Strive to Survive Causing the Least Suffering Possible' album in a KUSF radio contest in the mid 80s. I had no idea who they were at the time. It was one of those records I ended up loving more because I had to stretch to grasp it. The LP itself is a beautiful object

Dan S, Thursday, 30 January 2020 03:06 (four years ago) link

I wish Death Church would get a repress, I missed out on the last one.

ringworm, Thursday, 30 January 2020 06:29 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

https://www.zagava.de/shop/nick-blinko?edition=19&versions=0
The paperback version on amazon might be a bit different. Newsletter said something about a new paperback version but I can't remember.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

New ep and reissues on the way from Sealed Records!
https://www.punknews.org/article/74088/sealed-records-to-re-issue-rudimentary-peni-discography

ringworm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 07:17 (three years ago) link

awesome

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link

Sealed records is a side-label of La Vida Es Un Mus, this is really good news because Paco the guy who runs that label is a total lifer and this isn't a reissue for money he really loves this stuff

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:19 (three years ago) link

Excellent news! Southern records reissues seemed a bit dubious quality-wise.

jvc, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link

Southern were a pretty shitty label for a lot of reasons towards the end.

I wonder if this means the Alternative LP on Corpus Christi might end up getting reissued at some point, Sealed have already put out a reissue of the Omega Tribe LP. I know Overground records were planning to reissue Alternative but Southern wanted too much money to license it.

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:27 (three years ago) link

love all those pics of the OG Ampex tapes in that Insta

It would be super cool if they reissued the first 2 EPs in original 7" packaging

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:29 (three years ago) link

awesome news! I'm hoping they reissue Archaic 10", I missed that one.

braised cod, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

So is this yet another mastering to compare?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link

yes but I have a lot more faith in this one tbh

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link

missed getting the last batch. so hopefully catch up with these.
& the Crass titles are reappearing in more comprehensive fashion too.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Rudimentary Peni has a new album 'Great War' out today (and on streaming services)! Quick listen tells me it's a bit more varied than the last few releases and the singer uses his voice a lot more. Apparently this was recorded several years ago but shelved until now.

braised cod, Friday, 23 April 2021 09:59 (two years ago) link

wait WHAT

P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link

it's another EP tbf!

imago, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:06 (two years ago) link

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link

The rule with RP is: if it's an EP it'll be decent hardcore, if it's an LP it'll be earthshattering brilliance

imago, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link

xp that is correct, a Cacophony shirt, he also wears Youth Of Today and Neubauten shirts, total hipster bait and a pretty good movie

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Friday, 23 April 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link

reissues of old stuff are coming this year too starting with Death Church!

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:43 (two years ago) link

WHEN YOU ARE A MARTIAN CHURCH

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:44 (two years ago) link

listening to a bit of the new one atm. some excellent guitar tones

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link

I'm into it. just bought a copy from LVEUM

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 24 April 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I just assumed this had to do with Sound of Metal.

I've never heard them.

clemenza, Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:13 (two years ago) link

Peni is great

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link

this sounds fucking great

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link

awww this is awesome. their production is always great as it's raw but the riffs cut through with clarity

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

"Crimson Sun" fucking rules

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

it totally does, that one really stood out to me on first listen

"Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link

i don't think I expected to enjoy this as much as I am enjoying this

Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link

the guitar sound is so great in this

braised cod, Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link

just bought Nick Blinko's book The Primal Screamer. 2021 is the year of Rudimentary Peni apparently

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 24 April 2021 15:02 (two years ago) link

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal

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Honestly the first I had ever heard of RP

jaymc, Saturday, 24 April 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link

Am hoping that the Death Church reissue comes in the large foldout poster/sleeve.

ringworm, Saturday, 24 April 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Can only buy the new reissues through bandcamp?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 June 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link

Oh, they're not out yet

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 June 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

More art books
https://zagava.de/shop/the-sketchbooks-of-nick-blinko?edition=52

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link

reissue of Death Church LP coming soon on Sealed, they will also be reissuing the 1st 7" EP next year

sleeve, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Death Church reissue is up for order via Sealed records.

ringworm, Friday, 3 December 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

sealedrecords
Plus forthcoming for 2022 and Beyond

SEAL-016 CHIN CHIN - Cry In Vain LP (Compilation including unreleased BBC Session)
SEAL-017 BIKINI MUTANTS - Bikini Mutants LP
SEAL-018 VARIOUS - GROUCHO MARXIST COMPILATION LP
SEAL-019 MODEL WORKERS - Cry 7"
SEAL-020 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Cacophony LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-021 ALTERNATIVE - If They Treat You Like Shit - Act Like Manure LP
SEAL-022 RUDIMENTARY PENI - EPs of RP LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-023 ORGANIZED CHAOS - LP
SEAL-024 KARMA SUTRA - The Daydreams Of A Production Line Worker LP
SEAL-025 TWELVE CUBIC FEET - Straight Out the Fridge 12”
SEL-026 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric LP. CD and Tape

2023 - The rest of the RUDIMENTARY PENI Catalogue

Plus we are moving into the odd magazine and book. We are putting together a Rudimentary Peni Book/Magazine with Interviews, Gig handouts and more

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:03 (two years ago) link

Farce 12" reissue is coming on Crass/One little independent at some point too.

ringworm, Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:33 (two years ago) link


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