Grease C/D?

The movie itself was terrible.

Nor (on a considerably lower aesthetic plane) could "Crocodile Rock" or "Old Time Rock n Roll" -- other records from around the same time that are somehow supposed to evoke (but could not possibly sound less like) the 50s.

Soundtrack=Okay. "Born To Hand Jive" is inexplicably absent from the other responses, however.

I also used to have a photonovel of the movie - wish I still had it.

Only dud aspect - 'inspiring' Kenickie!

Me on the soundtrack.

Is there another album in which a song appears TWICE in identical versions? Not a reprise, not a remix, exact same length to the second...

Lots of crazy 8-tracks used to do that to make use of the extra time, but I can't think of when it was done as part of the original sequencing.

James Brown did it with some interludes (ie the same 20-second clip of You Can Have Your Watergate appears several times throughout an album), but not full tracks iirc

Settle a bet:

One of us says that the film infers--maybe even explicitly, if it's even possible to infer something explicitly--that Danny and Rizzo were romantically involved before the summer of Sandy (or at some other point prior to that).

The other one of us says that Rizzo is just jealous of Sandy (hence "Sandra Dee," the ambush at the beginning when she gets Danny to act like an asshole to Sandy, etc) because she's always harbored a crush on Danny and she thinks Sandy is too uncool for a T-Bird and the gang's general drag racin' greaseball scene.

Neither of us has seen the movie in over ten years. Who's right?

Its the latter

I’ve always understood they had been involved; if only by the looks they exchange around 1:00 in this clip. Maybe there’s other context too that’s not immediately coming to mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS9SXH3DfT8

think it's both tbh

I'm actually glad there's no actual consensus on this!

The 1:00 bit morrisp mentions above is exactly the scene I was thinking of when I made the case to my friend that they were definitely involved. It's all in Danny's stare. Why else would Rizzo do something so cruel?

It's actually a pretty great scene with more subtlety than I remember. I mean it's not Stalker or anything, but there's clearly a very rare bit of ambiguity happening here, no? And I think it's a credit to Travolta and Channing that they pull it off so well.

Think there's another bit where one of the other girls makes a pointed comment to Rizzo about Danny and she says "that's history". I assumed they've had a thing that's gone badly or a flirtation that's unresolved. She knows he's going to be similarly useless with Sandy, and dislikes both, so she lights the touchpaper and watches them blow up.

There's loads of subtlety in Grease, I feel like I catch more on every occasional rewatch.

Think there's another bit where one of the other girls makes a pointed comment to Rizzo about Danny and she says "that's history".

Yeah, that sounds right... Also, there’s this exchange.

Isn't he referring there to the fact that she's with Kenickie, though?

Yes, this is what I do on Saturdays now

Yeah that is a ref to kenickie

IRiz and Danny had a past, no question. Her “That’s ancient history” quip to Jan had a strident “shut it down” tone to it, real quick & snappy, like she’s gor def hurt feelings about it. I always took it that he dumped her or humiliated her somehow.

*That’s*why she does what she does to Sandy - because wants someone else to be as hurt by him as she was, AND she wants him to know she sees him for the coward he is . That look between Riz and Danny after Sandy runs away crying says everything.

I have watched this movie ~900,000 times~ so i feel qualified to speculate

Hey VG — how are things down under? 😉

Oh! Fine, thanks! *shy winning smile*

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This thread is making me want to watch this movie again. I think it's making me realize there's a lot beneath the surface I've missed. Even in that clip above, there's a barely concealed sorta hostility there, huh? I never picked up on that.

It’s a terrific movie.

hey look - you put stockard channing in your movie, you get twice the character than what’s on the page.
but everyone in that cast is so, so good.

the movie is gr8

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stockard channing is the TRUTH

https://youtu.be/ZS9SXH3DfT8

everyone watches Sandy & Danny during this scene but watch Rizzo

her eyes are so INTENSE, there’s real pain here
she’s like a targeting device, just waiting, waiting for the signal lock
waiting for him to show his colors, waiting for him to crush this girl like an empty can
TARGET ACQUIRED
then watch that shiteating smile as she comes to the foreground
the smile, sure
but the GLARE in her eyes
vindication for whatever hurt he put her through. grim gratitude for him proving her right
and the brief nanosecond where her expression turns to complete stone before she pivots and walks away

tell me there’s nothing between them

:D

god i love her

seriously just watch everything she does in this whole movie, she’ll blow your mind

Rizzo really is the best

rizzo is the real main character

http://www4.pictures.livingly.com/mp/L5RtDMEt9NXl.jpg

Something going on *there* too surely?

Someone on twitter was saying that the novelisation is from the POV of one of the lesser T birds??

FYI, the blurred Coke sign seen in the above frame has finally been fixed in a recent restoration.

What is Kenickie asking when he asks Danny to be his “second” at Thunder Road? Obviously, Danny does end up taking his place (when Kenickie is injured before the race) — but K doesn’t have a reason to suspect he won’t be able to drive.

Those guys have that “breakthrough” moment of mutual understanding in that conversation (followed by the hug/embarrassment); but what are they actually understanding, after Danny asks “You mean you want me to drive with you?,” and Kenickie’s like “Nah….”

kenickie is scared ~but~ he doesnt want to show the others ie have danny ride with him that is what the understanding is all about
kenickie is saying danny i am shitting bricks
danny is saying dude i got you

Thanks, that makes sense!

i am just glad my arcane knowledge of this movie is finally useful to someone

rewatching for the millionth time

the look on Riz’s face at the pep rally after she shoves Sandy at Danny and he turns heel right in front of Sandy as Rizzo looks on

the whole time in the background over Sandy’s shoulder she’s expressionless - not even satisfaction, or wry knowing smirk. Nootch. Nada. because she knew what would happen & she is not surprised.

but i like to think it’s just the stunned voyeur in her, seeing it play out exactly the way she knew it would, like she’s saying “my god you ~really~ cannot stop being a spineless piece of shit can you”

and that glaring, hurt smile at the end is everything

I just got the in-joke involved when Danny’s singing along goofily at the dance, and Sandy says, “Did you ever think about taking up singing professionally?”

lol yeah i like that one <3

Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies looks like it may be dire

yep

I hate the "Rise of the" naming convention, it implies a gravitas or origin story of some nefarious villain, yet everybody uses it now. like are we gonna get Care Bears 3: Rise of the Care Bears?

It's kind of bizarre (though also maybe admirable in a way) that it's set "four years before the events of Grease," and doesn't seem to f with any of the main characters... like they knew better, lol

all this time I've been wondering how the Pink Ladies came to power, and this mystery is finally solved.

next up: Grease - Ascension of the Burger Palace Boys (fuck u, this is what they were called in the musical, the T-Birds was for the movie!)

Scene from Grease IV where a three-year-old Danny Zuko watches his mother cry on the front porch after a visit from a U.S. Marine.

I remember there seeing tv ads on my dad's tv in I think 1976 when I was in Mount Vernon visiting my dad for the first time. Think it was for the stage show before the film was made. Don't really know what the difference between teh stage show and it's filmed offspring is. May be answered somewhere up thread. Do think there is some major difference though, maybe the spectacle on the stage didn't translate to a coherent film narrative.

the film and stage musical are quite different. I hate that I'm an expert on this, but being a musical theatre kid, I guess it was inevitable.

Differences:

*The gang is called the Burger Palace Boys, not the T-Birds, and they're greasers but much dorkier than in the movie
*The character of Roger doesn't exist in the movie, is replaced by Putzy (Roger sings "Mooning" in the musical, which is just background music in the movie)
*The original musical is much more profane, lots of "fucks" and "shits", and the sexual jokes are a bit crasser. though later versions of the musical phased much of this out to welcome kids to see it.
*You're the One that I Want" only exists in the movie, in its place in the musical is "All Choked Up" (better song IMO). "Hopelessly Devoted to You" also exists in movie only. "Sandy" only exists in the movie, in its place is "Alone at the Drive-In", more of a tongue-in-cheek doowop song about getting dumped.
*Kenickie sings Greased Lightning, not Danny, in the musical
*Plot points, otoh, not worth pointing out differences as both share the same story with the same terrible ending, the 'scripts' barely exist in either the movie or the musical, but the movie is actually more fleshed out character-wise, as the musical was really just an excuse for pop culture nostalgia and never really expected to blow up like it did.

I once saw a three hour version of Grease at a local community theater which was the worst fucking thing I'd ever seen in my life. songs would go on for like 8 minutes of vocal riffing, bunch of stupid sight gags that weren't funny, zero sense of pacing, but it almost doesn't matter, everybody that goes to public performances of this musical would scream and cheer even if Zuko got on stage and took a shit on a pizza box

alot of the seemingly random songs in the movie soundtrack are actual sung numbers in the show, like Those Magic Changes that Sandy & Danny dance to in the prom is i think Dodie’s song (it’s really good imo)

also everyone prob knows this by now but Jeff Conway (Kenickie in the movie) at one point played Danny in the Broadway show … along w Barry Bostwick & Peter Gallagher

I was Roger in the stage musical back in 2002, sang "Mooning", so I always get mad that he's not in the movie

Songs about butts deserve airtime

agree!

everybody that goes to public performances of this musical would scream and cheer even if Zuko got on stage and took a shit on a pizza box

You are often simultaneously my favorite and least-favorite poster on this website.

Lol

I watched Ep. 1, AMA

did it suck eggs?

Pretty much, unfortunately… the songs are bad, the pacing is slow, the premise is strained/doesn’t make much sense, etc.

A few of the lead actresses are good, that’s the only real reason to watch it I guess.

Grease is a turd

Also, “mooning” incidents are a central aspect of the plot (and happen twice), for what’s that worth