Wavves: Classic or Dud?

drugged out severe underachiever, or misunderstood tragic romantic figure? (lol

what, the old thread title not good enough?

Most ridiculous "news" item on Pitchfork regarding the horribly overhyped crapfest known as Wavves

classic.

i mean, come on, super soaker is great.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtElmrBnaYF/

must be nice

almost not worth getting clean

Having a normal one.

it is super sad. how dare i have the audacity to have a passive income. i must be AN IDIOT! https://t.co/8CpMb58HNc

— WAVVES (@WAVVES) January 26, 2019

dude i’m at the studio right now and these capitalist pigs are CHARGING ME MONEY TO RECORD HERE! SOMEONE NEEDS TO BURN DOWN THE SYSTEM!!!! pic.twitter.com/AvRbNuPxN2

— WAVVES (@WAVVES) January 27, 2019

I'm all for this dude becoming a real estate mogul if it means I never have to see his shitty band's name on a music website ever again

also don't worry wavves fans, when the time comes to increase the rent or demand a pet deposit I'm sure it'll be mommy or daddy or uncle scrooge doing the dirty work

Investing some money into another source of income before your “indie rock career” fizzles out seems ... smart ... to me?

this is second-tier grimes 2018 you guys

♫ welcome to the hotel california
such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
it is run by wavves ♫

— Dyl B (@sprtnght) January 27, 2019

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wgw otm

by which I mean, when this story broke yesterday and everybody started shitting on Nathan I turned to my bf and said "I can't wait until America is finally dead"

just imagine if he'd built a recording studio or bought a restaurant or started a vodka brand, like no musician has ever done before

Yeah buying a vodka brand and building a recording studio is the same thing as flipping real estate lol

the apartments look really nice

Ice Cube invested in real estate in real estate in LA in 1990, is he cancelled yet?

Did he market his real estate using his artist Instagram (or the 1990 equivalent)? That’s what I personally thought was funny here.

I agree it reads a little gauche. But for at least 40 years there have been pop artists open about or promoting their other businesses, they just didn’t do it on instagrams. Herb Alpert’s A&M, Mike D’s X-Large and Kim Gordon’s X-Girl clothing lines, Peter Gabriel’s Real World studio and WOMAD festival, Bono & Thedge’s Kitchen nightclub, Jack White’s Third Man studios, Pete Townshend’s Eel Pie book publisher, Adam Yauch’s Oscilloscope film distributor, Sir Mix-A-Lot’s tech investment portfolio, Smokey Robinson’s frozen ready-meals...

Jimmy Buffet really knows how to do it: https://www.latitudemargaritaville.com/

I think gauche is the right word. I’m not into Wavves, but if an artist I liked or loved posted the same thing, I’d laugh and roll my eyes just as I did here. Anyway, I the dude should just own it; he sounded pretty defensive in those tweets. He probably should have anticipated the optics and decided in advance not to GAF.

oh yeah, there’s a margaritaville restaurant in a tourist trap area of Sydney, and I don’t think he ever had a hit in Australia

I also feel like there’s some kind of essential difference btw. an artist offering music-related or “lifestyle” goods/services under their name — which is really kind of an extension of band merch — and promoting a totally unrelated business venture. I’m sure many artists have real estate holdings, but I’ve never seen a post like that!

obv this dustup is moronic but this made me lol (from that twitt thred)

https://i.ibb.co/DYrSdqQ/Screen-Shot-2019-01-27-at-4-51-48-PM.png

it’s wise, I ate at “toby keith’s i love this bar and grill”

and I don’t even like the music or ethos of toby keith!

it was a lesser experience though (compared to the hofbrauhaus chain across the road)

eh, let him make a living. Rock'n'roll isn't exactly a reliable way to do that anymore for most (see also almost every other genre).

what a ridiculous thing to give two shits about

ppl have purity ethics especially in the “indie” space

real estate is a lot of headache although maybe not as bad as touring in a van

What’s crazy is the guy from Real Estate owns a surfboard company

To pinpoint the “gauche”-ness even further, I think it boils down to his willingness/eagerness to “cross the streams” and rent to fans (or “friends” of fans), rather than keep those worlds separate. I have zero purity ethic, yet it feels weird to me, don’t know why!

Maybe it’s a great idea — there could be just enough ppl who want to say, “I live in the Wavves Estates...”

the responses I saw didn't give a fuck about indie purity, they're shitting on him for being the landlord of a bunch of a $3k apartments that no normal people who already live in the area can afford, ie for the same reason people shit on asshole landlords everywhere

I have witnessed the hyperinflation/gentrification of la over a couple decades now but even i didn't know that hood could support $3k 1br rent. the economics of that don't make a ton of sense unless a lot of people are doubling up or getting help from the parents. wages have gone up a bit after stagnating forever but that is crazy. i guess it is ~ what the market bears ~ lol

Yeah, I don’t know anything about that hood (only the Valley)... but $3k/1BR seems !!! for sure

(Actually, I think the guys from !!! rent out pads in Marina del Rey)

don't forget that some decent working class people who were probably paying a rent controlled $800 for these apartments a few years ago were kicked out to make way for this fuckery. investors flipping affordable apartments and tripling the rent is straight up evil and should be illegal. especially in a city like LA. and yeah, i pay $2000 for a 3 bedroom bungalow with a backyard and front porch around the corner, so only extremely rich transplants from nyc, etc would be dumb enough to pay $3000 for these.

that said he's mainly just dumb for posting about it and not keeping it on the down low.

on one hand it's so dumb that this became a thing, but it's also a good excuse to make a point about the desperate need for fair housing practices. check out the podcast "there goes the neighborhood" which has both NYC and LA seasons for more on this.

tbh i have little interest in Wavves or indie cred i'm just here for the gentrification talk. so yeah i think only people coming from NYC and SF would see that and think it's an amazing deal. even w/inflated rental prices in L.A. those apartments are absurdly overpriced, for that size and that particular location. also the places they're walking distance to are all at least 3/4ths of a mile away. we used to live up towards the reservoir and beyond that little stretch on SL Blvd couldn't walk to anything without it being miserable half the year.

3000/1 bdrm is exhorbitantly high, but people are only mad at Wavves in particular because they themselves have failed to make enough money at music to become property owners

Me neither
But I’m not acting like it’s Wavves’ problem

people are only mad at Wavves in particular because they themselves have failed to make enough money at music to become property owners

seems more likely to me he comes from a rich family than that he did it primarily through mid-level indie rock stardom

For outing a good number of ilxors as politically clueless, I have to say wavves is classic

Wavves probably doesn't know any better.

He didn't get the memo: "musicians are not allowed to own property"

few know this but GG Allin had an etsy selling organic artisanal bath oils

landlords are generally scum regardless of whether or not they're indie rockers. there are exceptions, but it doesn't seem like this guy is likely to be among them.

the responses I saw didn't give a fuck about indie purity, they're shitting on him for being the landlord of a bunch of a $3k apartments that no normal people who already live in the area can afford, ie for the same reason people shit on asshole landlords everywhere

― louise ck (milo z), Monday, January 28, 2019 2:40 AM (twelve hours ago)

Yeah, it's this. People are shitting on him for being a landlord, not having a job.

I don't honestly think many people even care that "oh no dude from wavves has crushed my dreams by selling out", it's honestly more "lol fucking rich white boys in bands turn out to be landlords news at 11".

"honestly"

He happens to be one of the very worst people I’ve ever had to work with and the idea of him as anyone’s landlord is instant shitshow

he's obviously a huge doucher IG'ing this from the same account he does band stuff with

please do share tales, need a good laugh to be honest

Nah. I found him incredibly immature and unprofessional and I'll leave it at that.

ok if ez don't like em fuck em

ya if that's the case then fuck him forever

3000/1 bdrm is exhorbitantly high, but people are only mad at Wavves in particular because they themselves have failed to make enough money at music to become property owners

― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, January 28, 2019 9:15 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ding ding

I have witnessed the hyperinflation/gentrification of la over a couple decades now but even i didn't know that hood could support $3k 1br rent. the economics of that don't make a ton of sense unless a lot of people are doubling up or getting help from the parents. wages have gone up a bit after stagnating forever but that is crazy. i guess it is ~ what the market bears ~ lol

― velko, Sunday, January 27, 2019 6:55 PM (yesterday)

yeah, that's like SF/Oakland/Berkeley rents that motivate people to move TO L.A. -- like, if he said, he was investing in real estate that would be affordable housing, ppl would think "what a cool dude" -- like Marshawn Lynch

I mean, landlords are notoriously crazy and unhinged and weird and somehow they all clearly have their shit together way more than me because they own property

Any other ILXors on their way to 40 who are watching all their friends buy houses and apartments and wondering if they had money this whole time or if you just fucked up all your life choices?

somehow they all clearly have their shit together way more than me because they own property

HAHAHAHAHAHAH this is an illusion

xp - do you want a detailed analytical response to this, or just to commiserate?

i don't know the history of this building that Wavves dude owns but there's definitely a thing in L.A., and very much in that part of town, where longtime residents will get evicted via the Ellis Act or often forced out via harassment and pressure and simple refusal to take care of maintenance and vermin issues, and then the apartments are gutted, renovated, and upgraded. There has to be a bit of down time between eviction and repopulation, but these guys play the long game. Locally I think anytime anyone sees a completely empty and renovated building there's a sense that it.s empty for a similar reason. Housing is tough to come by here, people like to hang onto their spaces. But I don't know if that was the case here, he may have bought an empty and dilapidated building and done the hard work to improve it.

xp - do you want a detailed analytical response to this, or just to commiserate?

― sarahell, Monday, January 28, 2019 1:57 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll take either, really

Any other ILXors on their way to 40 who are watching all their friends buy houses and apartments and wondering if they had money this whole time or if you just fucked up all your life choices?

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 28, 2019 10:56 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The only people i personally know buying anything in L.A. right now are wealthy, are getting help from parents or via an inheritance, or they bought a home back in the '90s and sold it and were able to swing a new home as a result. To cite one example across the street from us is a home which was bought in 1997 for 240k, and at present it's value at 1.4 million. It is insane here.

we know a few others who have moved thirty miles out to buy a home, but even in outlying areas the houses are crazy expensive. It's moving into more traditionally lower middle class areas too. It's a little different in L.A. vs SF or NYC because there's more room for growth, the cities are less geographically limited. But it's a huge issue.

where longtime residents will get evicted via the Ellis Act or often forced out via harassment and pressure and simple refusal to take care of maintenance and vermin issues, and then the apartments are gutted, renovated, and upgraded.

this has been going on in San Francisco and Oakland for decades, and I think SF has passed more tenant protection laws in response to this, but it's this whack-a-mole loophole game, where laws get passed, then landlords (and their lawyers) figure out new loopholes, then activists protest and progressive city officials pass new laws to close those loopholes, etc.

Here's a deep-dive LA Times article from last summer on the subject: https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-fi-evictions/

xp - do you want a detailed analytical response to this, or just to commiserate?

― sarahell, Monday, January 28, 2019 1:57 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll take either, really

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 28, 2019 11:01 AM (twelve minutes ago)

Commiseration: I'm in my mid-40s and I don't own property (I do own a car; it's 13 yrs old, but it's got super low mileage, and it was a real step up from my previous car), and sometimes I feel like "not quite an adult" for not being a homeowner. On the other hand, I have chosen to live in an expensive city, and if being a homeowner was that important to me, I'd reconsider my lifestyle. And I have looked at what's available, and the value of what I'd get as an owner vs. what I currently have as a tenant -- like, it's ridiculous, but I live in a rent controlled apartment, and I've been there for 21 years, but still, there's that twinge, esp. a few years back when another ilxor called me out for my "peter pan lifestyle."

Analytical: So, I do taxes for a living (well, part of it), so I spend a lot of time talking to people about money, seeing where their money comes from, where it goes, etc. There definitely is a divide that becomes more apparent when my clients reach their mid-30s and older. Some buy houses, others don't. Some of it is tied to earned income -- the purchase of a home -- but I have clients that have similar earned incomes, and some have houses and others don't. A lot of it is family money. Not all of my clients who are in their 30s and 40s who work in the arts/music/writing were helped out by their families to buy their homes, but a lot of them were. A few are married to high income earners. But most got help from parents.

A few of my homeowning clients were lucky, and bought something when the market was super low or got to be a member of a TIC where they bought their apartment by pooling money with the other tenants in the building and buying their places.

Good to see 2019 ILM has imported “they’re all just jealous haters” from social media.

a few months ago, i was at a bar with a couple friends and a friend of one of their friends, and the friend of a friend lived in Baltimore, and said, "oh yeah, do you want to invest in like a noise scene compound in Baltimore" and the price she quoted was like .... fuck, could I move to Baltimore? Like, it was insanely cheap.

do i wish i had enough money to buy a house? yes. do i wish i had enough money to buy affordable apartment buildings, kick out all the tenants, then quadruple the rent? absolutely not.

the idea that people who care about affordable housing are jealous haters is ridiculous, and you should know better Whiney.

btw he's also in the process of flipping a complex in Glassell Park, which is sort of just now gentrifying.

pretty sure that money from music isn't solely what's paying for this investment -- idk, the criteria for lending for commercial real estate are a lot higher than for a home purchase -- the parkman ones look confusing -- the address he listed on his Insta shows up as a 4 bedroom condo last sold in 2012

Wow I guess upon reflection the real victim here is wavves

the building (901 parkman ave) last sold for $2 mill in oct 2017.

i do know that ghost ramp surprisingly makes a ton of money. one of their things is releasing soundtracks to popular indie video games which i guess is a pretty lucrative market. and he's always been big on merchandising. i heard he sold $100k worth of those weed grinders back in the day lol. of course i wouldn't be surprised if he has family money too though.

lol of course I'm jealous of rich people

OWS was pure jealousy