The Byrds - "Feel a Whole Lot Better"The Beatles - "If I Needed Someone"Led Zeppelin - "Stairway to Heaven"
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
There have to be multiple REM examples, right? (Tim?)
(e.g. Dsus4 - D - Dsus2 - D or Asus4 - A - Asus2 - A)
It seems like the single most obvious thing to do on a D chord but I can't think of as many examples offhand as I expected to be able to.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
Does the ending of 'Lazy Sunday' by Small Faces qualify for this? I'll have to give it another listen, but it sounds like one.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
I'm gonna guess "Substitute" has this, but I'm too far away from a guitar right now to be certain.
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFvLNsrqrrA
― MaresNest, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
the verse of fleetwood mac's "go your own way"?
― pass-ag caglia (get bent), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
I've got my thinking cap on, but all the examples I seem to be thinking of are triad-sus2-sus4-triad(!)
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
There have to be multiple REM examples, right? (Tim?)― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, July 19, 2013 3:07 PM (16 minutes ago)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, July 19, 2013 3:07 PM (16 minutes ago)
"Pretty Persuasion" for sure.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I think 'Pretty Persuasion' has one in the verses.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
There's several songs by The Jam that feature a lot of this type of stuff, too.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:31 (eleven years ago) link
the who "so sad about us" (speaking of the jam!)
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, July 19, 2013 10:25 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'd expect there to be quite a few Who songs that do this (suspended chords kinda being one of Townshend's trademarks), although I'm really struggling to think of any examples at the mo!
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
― fact checking cuz, Friday, July 19, 2013 10:33 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bingo!
probably a million tom petty songs, but like turrican i'm struggling to find one that has them in the specified order.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
probably a million '70s power pop songs (throw in a major 7th chord too)
― pass-ag caglia (get bent), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
...not to mention a million '80s, '90s, '00s and '10s power pop songs.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 19 July 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link
xxxpost:
Weller even snuck a bit of the 'So Sad About Us' riff into 'It's Too Bad' (along with the 'break up'/'make up' rhyme), so there's that one as well.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:37 (eleven years ago) link
The intro to 'Woman' by John Lennon?
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
Some song about the "Best Ever Death Metal Band in Denton" iirc
triad-sus2-sus4-triad(!)
triad-sus2-sus4-sus2-triad-sus2 = Belly - "Gepetto"(also iirc, long time since I touched a guitar, but that was where I learnt this 1 weird trick)
― slippery kelp on the tide (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link
"Heyyyyy you've got to hiiiide your love awaayyyyy" - sus4-triad-sus2-triad
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:48 (eleven years ago) link
Tom Petty - Free Fallin' (triad, sus4, sus4, triad, sus 2)
― Cap'n Conserv-a-pedia (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:52 (eleven years ago) link
You'll usually find that unless they're using some kind of alt. tuning or using a capo, most of the guitar-written songs with this figure will either be on D or A.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
The Kinks - A Long Way From Home
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 July 2013 23:06 (eleven years ago) link
There must be some early U2 tracks that do this, Electric Co maybe?
― MaresNest, Friday, 19 July 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
First one is the one I always think of. As far as the second one, I believe another Beatle George song, "I Need You" from Help! also has this.― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, July 19, 2013 11:06 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
'I Need You' goes sus2-triad-sus4-triad
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Friday, 19 July 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
Sorry, triad-sus2-sus4-triad, rather.
Oh shit, now I know what that progression is! 99% sure the Who's "Pure and Easy" qualifies (per Turrican -- Townshend did use a shitload of suspended chords).
― Esperanto, why don't you come to your senses? (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
Otm. "Pinball Wizard" has sus4 chord, I think, but don't think it has this exact lick. Yeah, wasn't sure about "I Need You," was posting on zing from subway.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
― fact checking cuz, Friday, July 19, 2013 6:34 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Pretty sure even the first examples don't have them in the specified order. At least not The Byrds - that's triad-sus2-triad-sus4-triad-sus2-triad.
― it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Saturday, 20 July 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
I mean I guess if you're not taking the whole phrase into consideration, then it has it on the back half.
― it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Saturday, 20 July 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
Anyway, "Happy Xmas (War Is Over)" by John Lennon and "Allison Road" by Gin Blossoms.
― it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Saturday, 20 July 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
"Needles and Pins" except it's in A, not D. Same suspensions, though.
― timellison, Saturday, 20 July 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
There's more than one answer to this question, pointing me in a crooked line. And the less I search my source for some definitive...
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 20 July 2013 01:52 (eleven years ago) link
The only other R.E.M. one I'm thinking of is "7 Chinese Brothers," which has that whole D riff. Right before the change to the chorus, it goes triad-sus4-triad-sus2-triad.
― timellison, Saturday, 20 July 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
How does that not count as including this figure?? All three songs I listed contain these chords in this order, regardless of whatever other chords may also be present.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
Those are perfect REM examples, thanks.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
OK, wow, "So Sad About Us": that's textbook!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
"Woman" is interesting because: i) it's in Eb and ii) it does this but varies the melody a little by going ^4 -^3 -^2 -^1 -^2 -^3 instead of ^4 -^3 -^2-^3. It's also a case where he holds the chords, extending this into a 2-bar strumming pattern instead of strumming each chord once.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:01 (eleven years ago) link
xxxp my initial understanding was that you were looking for songs where the whole phrase/hook was the pattern, not just chord progressions that contain it at some point. My mistake.
― it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link
"Carnival of Sorts" on A in the chorus, but I think he's just playing the notes (4-3-2-1).
― timellison, Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link
It's all good. Maybe it was unclear.
A lot of great examples so far. I should look for art music antecedents. It seems like really straightforward neighbour-note motion but an example isn't jumping to mind immediately, probably because my head has not been in a classical place recently.
xpost
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:13 (eleven years ago) link
I guess that's the thing: if one just looks for the neighbour-note pattern over the implied harmony (like in "Carnival of Sorts" - possibly my favourite REM song btw), it's probably there all over the place. However, "sus4-triad-sus2-triad" implies that a full chord is stated each time, as it is in most of these songs. And that's probably much rarer in common practice music.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 July 2013 03:19 (eleven years ago) link
I was sure I remembered Frank Zappa saying something about this in 'The Real Frank Zappa Book" and yes, I knew I could rely on some Zappa obsessive somewhere on the net to have quoted it, so I didn't have to go and dig the damn thing from the back of the bookcase...
"Musically, the northern bands had a little more country style. In L.A., it was folk-rock to death. Everything had that fucking D chord down at the bottom of the neck where you wiggle your finger around—like "Needles and Pins."
― Bloody Snail, Saturday, 20 July 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
Ha. Although I also remember reading somewhere him saying that the ii-V7-I progression should be outlawed.
― Orpheus in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 July 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
That reminds me that some bands did this on "Hey Joe." The Love version, for example.
― timellison, Sunday, 21 July 2013 04:41 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think "Stairway to Heaven" does this, actually, although it goes Dsus4-D all the time. "Tangerine" is the one with this figure.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 21 July 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
'Show Me The Way' by Small Faces?
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Sunday, 21 July 2013 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
Although you have to wait until about 1:29 to hear it.
― I wanna live like C'MOWN! people (Turrican), Sunday, 21 July 2013 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Wire, "French Film Blurred"
Following the line, "On the day the vibrations will shake your bones".
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 10:28 (six years ago) link
opening day, that is
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 10:29 (six years ago) link
'VCR' by the XX does this around the C triad on all the verses.
― campreverb, Monday, 5 March 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
Velvet Underground, "I'm Set Free".
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
Surprised The Beatles - "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" hasn't been mentioned.
Also I think Pearl Jam - "Down" qualifies.
― carrotless, turnip-pocketed (fionnland), Monday, 5 March 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
sugar "if i can't change your mind" (on the C triad on intro and verses)
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
It comes up in Taylor Swift's "I'm Only Me When I'm With You" here, which has to be one of the most recent appearances in a popular song.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
I'm surprised "Hide Your Love Away" didn't come up earlier too! "Love Street" and Sugar = good catches.
The "hold on" section of the bridge in "Ballad of El Goodo" is written around this, including the vocal melody. Nice to run into our old friend in an essential, rather than embellishing, role.
Wow, good one.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
I haven't listened to the third VU album in a long time. I forgot about this one.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
We missed "Shaking Through" in the R.E.M. accounting!
― timellison, Friday, 6 April 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
David Bowie - "Kooks" almost does this but just D to Dsus4
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
Bruce Springsteen - Brilliant Disguise
― Ρεμπετολογια, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
The Monkees - You Told Me
― timellison, Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
Blue Rodeo - "Hasn't Hit Me Yet"
― silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
^^ good song recommended for non-Canadians btw
Also, I don't know how we missed Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive".
― silent as a seashell Julia (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 February 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjKwYVL21g
― timellison, Saturday, 26 October 2019 18:51 (five years ago) link
Surely Roxette would have loads of this
― Duke, Saturday, 26 October 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
I looked throughout our listand I don't know how we missed
AMANDA
― No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 9 December 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
lol
― Tales of Jazz Ulysses (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 December 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
What about the fact no one mentioned "Free Bird" ("...and this bird you cannot change")
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 07:12 (five years ago) link
The Monkees - "Tapioca Tundra"
― timellison, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link
Gustavo Cerati / Soda Stereo did this a lot.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 01:29 (four years ago) link
top of my head "luna roja" which is pretty much just an A chord throughout that goes to Asus4 to Asus2 and back... I might be wrong but that's what it looks like to me.
https://youtu.be/BosH13cX4qg
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
Does 'Money Money Money' by ABBA do this in the 'in my dreams I have a plan' bit?
― Defund the indefensible (NickB), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link
Also there is an obvious 70s soul golden oldie that also does it on like an A minor chord, but I can't quite tease the song out of the jumble of intractable knots that constitute my brain.
― Defund the indefensible (NickB), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:17 (four years ago) link
Ah wait, the mists have finally parted - I'm thinking of the intro to the Four Tops' Reach Out I'll be There (which is obv not from the 70s duh). Is that doing this thing?
― Defund the indefensible (NickB), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 12:52 (four years ago) link
Gloria Gaynor’s version was tho!
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
Both of those examples are clever! In both, the top voice falls 4-3-2-1 in a minor key, instead of going 4-3-2-3 in a major key, which is the cliché version, but they both absolutely meet the criteria of the question.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link
instead of going 4-3-2-3 in a major key, which is the cliché version
Monkees song totally does this.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 01:40 (four years ago) link
On piano, the end of John Cale's "Child's Christmas in Wales"
― timellison, Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
Good one
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
Was the tape of that track sped up slightly? It seems ≈ a quarter-tone off from standard tuning?
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
The early 90s positive vibes thread reminded me:Michael Jackson - Black or White
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Saturday, 2 October 2021 21:30 (three years ago) link
― Duke, Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:23 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 2 October 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
Wichita Lineman fits here.
― Duke, Sunday, 3 October 2021 09:59 (three years ago) link
Where are you thinking? I hear a lot of sus4 chords resolving to triads but not sure I hear the whole figure?
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 4 October 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
I think it's the acoustic guitar on the D major after "...overload" and "...stand the strain"?
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 4 October 2021 00:45 (three years ago) link
I'm still not hearing the sus2 there, I don't think. Just sus4 and triad, like this guy demonstrates around 0:35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWk-kz0mKjg
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 4 October 2021 00:58 (three years ago) link
"Tapioca Tundra', The Monkees, I think.
― Circle Sky Pilot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 December 2021 23:17 (three years ago) link
Ugh, mismatched quotes.
― Circle Sky Pilot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 December 2021 00:00 (two years ago) link
it gives the song title an open feel while also being a triad of marks. well done.
― accordion folder full of Zoobooks (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 24 December 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link
Thanks. Seems to me like there is some kind of gravitational pull between the " and the T as well.
― Circle Sky Pilot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 December 2021 03:28 (two years ago) link
Three of these came to mind late one night:
Rolling Stones - "Mother's Little Helper" (last four notes of main riff, in E minor)Rolling Stones - "Paint It, Black" (last four notes of main riff, over B major chord)Barry Manilow - "Can't Smile Without You" (vocal melody of 2nd line of verse, over relative minor chord; there's also a descending chromatic harmony that may complicate things)
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 26 December 2021 22:09 (two years ago) link
Pretenders - I’ll Stand by YouPearl Jam - Immortality
― thewufs, Sunday, 26 December 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link
People, we have neglected a classic of this genre. May I present:
"Little Girl" by the Syndicate of Sound!
― timellison, Saturday, 27 January 2024 19:23 (ten months ago) link
Brian Jonestown massacre - monster
― brimstead, Sunday, 28 January 2024 06:51 (ten months ago) link
man I don't trust any guitarist who does this kind of thing - like if you take a chord and move the major third up a half step that's sus for sure, but if you move it down a whole step that's sus too!
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Sunday, 28 January 2024 18:15 (ten months ago) link
Not sure if it’s already been mentioned but Sugar - If I Can’t Change Your Mind
― Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Sunday, 28 January 2024 18:35 (ten months ago) link
There have to be multiple REM examples, right? (Tim?) ― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, July 19, 2013 3:07 PM (16 minutes ago)
"Camera" does D-Dsus4-D5-Dsus4-D-Dsus2 in the chorus ("Alone in a crowd...")
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 05:38 (ten months ago) link
<3
― timellison, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 00:33 (ten months ago) link