Place for drummers to defend themselves, if they can

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Everybody who's ever been in a recording studio chant with me - "FUCKIN' DRUMMERS!" Like why the HELL does it take so long to do stuff in a studio? Because of the fuckin' DRUMS! See I'm just a simple guitar player! Plug in and go! (And go and go and go! Yeah why not! Widdle until they cut the power!) But I can't and neither can the bass player or whoever because it takes about 71 hours to set up the fuckin' drum kit! Note to drummers - nobody gives a shit if you can't hear the roto-toms with maximum clarity! Do you really NEED all those mics? 'Tuning heads' - who ever listened to a CD and said "Gee, I wish they'd spent even MORE time tuning the fucking snare!" Are engineers queer for drummers, or what? "OK we've been in here 10 hours, gimme a snare hit...hmmm, let's try the Shure..." Not to mention the fact that the kit has a million pieces (along with welder's torches and soldering irons and other repair shit) and somebody always forgets something, and if it wasn't for fuckin' drum kits then everybody could take their own gear to gigs easy without having to rent a fuckin' aircraft carrier! Also, learn fuckin' music theory! So the guitarist can say 'change when I play E minor' rather than 'count 18 bars' and making the fuckin' drummer take their shoes and socks off! Also in a live setting is it possible for a drummer to soundcheck in less time than it takes for everybody else on stage put together?

dave q, Friday, 11 October 2002 08:39 (twenty-three years ago)

It takes me 5 mins to soundcheck. Plus we use only one vocal mic & one pzm mounted on a block of wood. As long as the actual drums sound OK it works fine. I hate the whole mic-on-every-drum thing - pointless - I thought the idea was to try replicate the human ear. This said, I do try & go more in the direction of that 'Blue Note' sound, as opposed to some gated rock thing.

Jez (Jez), Friday, 11 October 2002 08:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Whats the difference between a drummer and a drum machine?

You only have to punch the beat in once with a drum machine.

arf arf arf etc

gazza, Friday, 11 October 2002 09:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Bor-ing, use bongos like a proper hippy

a different Sean, Friday, 11 October 2002 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

My rules :

1. Drummer moves kit to and from gigs/recording/rehearsals at all times.

2. 5 drums max (snare, bass, 3 x toms including floor tom)

3. No Simmons pads or equivalent.

4. Don't bring novelties like gongs/little cymbals/ethnic drums. You won't hear them.

5. No roto-toms.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

dave, could it be that your current drummer's just an inordinately slow mover or is the incident you speak of not an isolated one? my only experience with a drummer in a studio is actually a positive one - said drummer was actually more organised than both guitarist and bass player combined, though had more studio experience and shitloads more musical competence than either me or the guitarist, so that's probably not saying much, although he did actually mic everything. i'd be more worried if they suddenly got into supertramp and went straight out and bought the 48-piece kit. and perhaps you can whip your drummer into shape by establishing an incentive clause in your band agreement - i.e. all monies made as a result of the recording are distributed to band members based on a 'studio efficiency principle'; whoever takes the longest to record their parts gets the thinnest slice of the money pie etc etc. and anyway, drummers are such an easy (not to mention time-honoured) target for in-band jokes. being in bands would be much less fun without them.


seriously though, are you recording something at the moment? and if so, how's it progressing (drummer sagas aside)?

angelo (angelo), Friday, 11 October 2002 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Angelo - recording yes. Using random methods to confuse everybody, and paraphrasing the Hitchcock principle "actors [ie anybody who isn't the songwriter/guitarist] are cattle"! Yeah, some drummers are actually sentient, I think I had studio/live sound engineers more in mind while framing the original complaint. Also, 'monies made from recording'? What are those?

dave q, Friday, 11 October 2002 10:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"No Simmons pads or equivalent"

Don't knock 'em. Of various projects I'm involved with just now the one where the drummer uses a 100% electronic kit is by far the best from this p of v. Not that drum-sound angst goes away - in fact the more extensive range of kit sounds available mean that this guy's is even more extreme than the acoustic drummers I play with - but the drummer finds most of the solutions at home in his own time and arrives with ready-made sounds that (like bass or guitar or whatever) just need clean amplification. Whereas he half-hour thumpy-thump soundchecks with acoustic drummers continue to be one of the banes of every musician's existence.

ArfArf, Friday, 11 October 2002 10:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeedy, ArfArf, electronic drums have certainly made my band's life a million times easier. And most drummers I've worked with are spectacularly organised and non-anal individuals. Unlike fucking guitarists, who are a right bunch of wingeing, equipment-fixated jessicas.

Microkomputer (Microkomputer), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Q. How can you tell what the drum riser's level?
A. The drummer drools evenly out of both sides of his mouth

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 October 2002 10:30 (twenty-three years ago)

My anti-Simmons stance is based on what they LOOK LIKE - nothing to do with the *sound*, Arf! Also ruled out are 'headless' basses.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 11 October 2002 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)


Records are a lot like houses. It does not matter how nice the facade looks, if the foundation isn't right, the house will collapse.

The basis of a good rock record is the drum sound. Once you have that licked, you can build the rest of the record from there.

Also, be nice to your drummer, he is the guy who will be the determining whether your band is pretty good at best, or famous. A band can get away with mediocre playing in every department by the drums. AND a good drummer is the scarcest commodity in the musical world.

mt, Friday, 11 October 2002 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

make that "A band can get away with mediocre playing in every department _BUT_ the drums."

mt, Friday, 11 October 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

P.S. I am not a drummer.

mt, Friday, 11 October 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Well Dr C I strive not to be too lookist. I draw the line at defending headless basses tho!

ArfArf, Friday, 11 October 2002 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not a big fan of overly anal treatment of the drums in the studio (excessive close mic'ing/fine tuning the sound of every drum), but since they are usually the foundation of the track, if you don't like the sounds later they will be the hardest to go back and change.

Beyond putting new heads on the drums and knowing how to tune them though (which is important!), the things that really matter are knowing how to PLAY them and get a good tone and having a good engineer.

And just once, can the guitarist actually help carry the drums out to the car? I mean, would it kill you?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 October 2002 19:44 (twenty-three years ago)

what jez said, pretty much. fuck close miking, just put one mic just above the bass drum, that's plenty 'nuff. dave kick out yr drummer, he is obviously a dick.

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Friday, 11 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Jordan knows that which he speaks.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 12 October 2002 06:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I've dated quite a few drummers. They're usually really good in bed. Something to do with a combination of good rhtyhm, amazing stamina and upper body strength.

But personality wise... jesus, they hit things for a living! Either they're dumb as cotton, or else they've got this autistic intensity that comes from having no frustrations left to beat out.

I thank my lucky stars every day that we've got a good drummer. Yeah, he's late for everything. Yeah, it takes him longer to set up his kit than it takes me to set up 2 amps and 9 pedals. But like someone up there said, good drums are the foundation of your house.

I read an intersting article once, about how drum machines are the curse of the A&R man. Apparently, you used to be able to judge how good/professional/together a band were by their ability to attract and keep a decent drummer. So go figure...

kate, Saturday, 12 October 2002 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah all them ladies crazy bout my rhtyhm

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Saturday, 12 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I could have lived a happier life without hearing that drummers are usually really good in bed.

ArfArf, Saturday, 12 October 2002 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

duane that should have been: "all dem ladeez crazy bout my riddim"

vic (vicc13), Saturday, 12 October 2002 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

well, as a drummer who's recorded, my take is that it's better to close mic as much as possible and have it to work with, because often the "optimal drum sound" is determined by just listening to the drum set mix, and if you just have one mic (or you have more mics but mix it down to two tracks because of limited number of tracks available) then your "optimal drum sound" tends to be less optimal when you put a bunch of stuff on top of it (particularly heavy distorted guitar) and you realize all you can hear is the cymbals and the snare needs to be louder but if you make the snare loud enough to be heard the cymbals are way too freaking loud, etc. And I say all of this as somebody who's endlessly impatient with anal engineers and would much rather record than spend an extra half hour futzing with mic placement.

and roto-toms are crap.

doug, Sunday, 13 October 2002 04:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Drums are the hardest instrument to record well. Be thankful the engineer is taking the time to get a good sound. You can definately tell if the drums are not in tune on a recording, much more than in live situations.

As a former drummer, I got sick of lugging all that stuff around though!

Bob Crain, Sunday, 13 October 2002 06:30 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

So my friend ML had this forwarded to him by a friend today, who found it on Craigslist. Truly, a cri de couer:

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Looking for someone special who would kill my drummer for $100.00. Do not fear any negative consequences for this act. Any self respecting law enforcement agency would gladly turn the other cheek once they hear this guy "play".

I am tired of hearing his 70's style fills put in the wrong spot and ending one half beat early or late depending on how much he's had to drink.

I am tired of him standing up behind his drums between songs and ripping his shirt off and flexing his muscles at wedding receptions where we were hired to play Air Supply, Carpenters, and Ann Murray songs because "chicks dig the pecs, dude".

I am tired of him showing up 20 minutes late for rehearsals then pouting until someone helps him load in his drums, then taking 30 minutes to set them up and needing a smoke break every 15 minutes, then wanting to leave early because "this chick is so fine, I can't say no, and she knows record people dude, so it's for the band"

I am totally done with him calling me up at midnight to play me some damned jazz fusion album from 1981, crying and saying how we shouldn't have sold out to "the man" and asking if I know anyone who can get him some weed knowing full well I smoked twice in '69 and never touched it after that.

I am sick of him farting on stage where the drum mics pick it up and thinking this shit is funny.

I am tired of kicking off slow ballads at well under 80 bpm only to have them morph into the methamphetimine version of flight of the bumble bee, because that's the tempo he "feels" it at. I am tired of having to carry jumper cables to the gig because "I must have left the dome light on again, dude" instead of admitting his 84 Oldsmobile is a worn out piece of crap.

I am tired of him asking when he's gonna get a drum solo.

I am tired of paying his tab at restaurants because "that chick must have stole my wallet man, but it was worth it 'cause she was a phreak". I will not move my amp again so he can put another new cymbal on the stage, because "when we learn some fusion i'll need this sound"... please somebody kill this motherfucker. I can't do it because he's my brother and mom would be so pissed off even though she thinks the band would probably sound better too. Besides, if you are good at killing drummers, you could probably make a lot of money here in the Antelope Valley.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:19 (sixteen years ago)

congratulations craigslist guy you just rewrote the studio pitch for

http://bigdrumthump.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/therocker_galleryposter.jpg

Dr. Algernod Goon (some dude), Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:23 (sixteen years ago)

What a disaster for the Antelope Valley.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 January 2010 19:24 (sixteen years ago)


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