jurassic 5 are so fucking terrible!!

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yeah i admit i tried to hear that new golden whatever song when it came on mtv, i liked a couple of their songs before...ok fine just concrete schoolyard like everybody else...but SHIT this is unbelievable, now i see alex in nyc checks it as one of the only two good rap tracks ever or whatever his quasi-racist killing joke explanation was, what the fuck!! can anyone explain this shit to me?? its not even like an el-p level nadir of hiphop, his most dullest beats cant reach the tedium of this production, theyve gotten so corny and indie that now theyre the complete hiphop equiv of the hives or the white stripes or some other mtv nu rock, seriously the most boring style i have ever heard, dont even get me started on their joyless mcing, 'were not ballin or shot callin / we take it back to the days of yes yallin' uh-oh look out MAINSTREAM RAP!!! and then a PE SAMPLE, fuck now even the corniest of rock fans are feeling this shit, pe were the ORIGINATORS man and now j5 are HOLDING IT DOWN for REAL HIPHOP, just fucking kill me already!!

s trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

BUT ETHAN THEY APED THE COVERS OF OLD BIZ MARKIE 12"S FOR THAT EP!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

omg THE STARK REALNESS OF THESE NIGGAS IS CHOKING ME SOMEBODY OPEN A WINDOW

s trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

i will freely admit to liking that j5 ep and the 12" (i forget the title), but damn did that album blow.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

also, chali 2na = worst hiphop name ever.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

''but SHIT this is unbelievable, now i see alex in nyc checks it as one of the only two good rap tracks ever or whatever his quasi-racist killing joke explanation was, what the fuck!!''

HA HA HA!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

welcome to the trife and jess show!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

jess is hungover and this is his cure.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but the pinefox might like 'em!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

after all, he's got to start somewhere.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

also "chali 2na" is partly responsible for one of my least fav songs ever (besides this one i mean!!), that bleak roots manuva single

s trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno, j5 just seem like such easy targets though. cut chemist has got skills, and obviously they've all been intently practicing their cold crush routines so they can "yes yes y'all" italicize each other which really ISNT A BAD THING, since that sort of choreographed showmanship has gone of out hiphop in a big way, but damn, they're just so fucking EARNEST. it's a bit like attacking those guys who wear leather jackets and bowl cuts and ladies stretch jeans and converse in 2002: isnt reality punishment enough?

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

they define themselves by what they are not

artiste, Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:59 (twenty-three years ago)

haha@*.*

boxcubed (boxcubed), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:01 (twenty-three years ago)

which is what all teenage armchair lefty dogooders do!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:02 (twenty-three years ago)

jurrasic 5 are the political pop punk of hiphop.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:06 (twenty-three years ago)

For some reason I can't pinpoint, even tho I pretty much agree with this, I find it pretty offensive. I think it starts with misinterpreting Alex..

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

urg i think i agree too.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

wait, which? about simon being offensive or about j5?

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:22 (twenty-three years ago)

(heh, well. if you wanna get technical, both. but i was talking about j5.)

i liked quality control quite a bit, but this one's grating on me for reasons i can't quite put my finger on. then i think about how this album is basically quality control pt. 2 and i get even more confused.

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 12 October 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm..... I wanted to start a thread on the new J5 album, but we might as well use this one....

Firstly, yes, I like Jurassic 5. Woo-fucking-hoo. This obviously makes me a racist. I also heard that Nu-Mark was personally responsible for apartheid, and slavery was entirely Soup's idea. So it's old school? So what? So, like, some white people like them. Woop-de-Do The Right Thing-doo. They are (were) one of the few hip-hop bands in the past... wheneverthefuck to have actually managed a good party sound. Not Def Jux's radio set thrown into a bath beats, not Rawkus' "Hey, look, we're not mainstream but we are"ness, and certainly not whatever Tommy Boy's subsidaries are shitting into the charts nowadays. They were good, all was good. The beats were functional and sometimes great, and the MCing was FUN. It was fun. Remember it?

Anyway, so I get the new album. I'm thinking I haven't heard a godlike rap album this year, so this must be it... and... well... it's fucking dull. I mean, so... eh. It sounds like they'd rather not be in the studio. 2na appears to have used up his greatness on the 2,492 guest appearances he's done since the last album, and the product is lacklustre. Nothing stands out. I'm going to listen to it again, and again, and again until I like it. The Nelly Furtado thing is basically their attempt at "Request + Line", isn't it?


just fucking kill me already!!
This statement I agree with though.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 October 2002 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

his name sounds just like CHARLIE TUNA!

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 12 October 2002 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

When they say "Soul music something we can all relate to"...I think to myself, but but I can't relate, and I feel excluded from their fanclub. Power in numbers but they can count me out.

Honda, Saturday, 12 October 2002 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

But Honda, you've already gone on record as saying that you don't understand/feel/relate to "soul" in hip-hop. (Previous Blackalicious thread.) So why do you feel "excluded"? You've excluded yourself already.

And I thought the last one was "worthy" but dull, and this one sounds duller. Aw hell.

Matt C., Sunday, 13 October 2002 05:55 (twenty-three years ago)

"dull but worthy" is never anything you can accuse Simon of, that's for sure

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 13 October 2002 06:04 (twenty-three years ago)

(cough, cough)

M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 13 October 2002 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

well, i wasn't completely serious about my pouting and sitting in a corner away from all J5 lovers. it still feels yuck that anybody would presume "we can all relate to" something even in this kind of tossed-off playful context. there generally isn't any quantitative way to measure 'soul' in hip hop but when they throw around words like "we" with implications about distant in-groups of people feeling their soul vibes, its almost like a slap in the face (but, yeah, what am I doing listening to a J5 record in the first place right). it's like if there was a sign at the top of ILM saying "Missy Elliot something we can all relate to"....

Honda, Sunday, 13 October 2002 06:23 (twenty-three years ago)


they define themselves by what they are not

Smells of Mark S.

theyve gotten so corny and indie that now theyre the complete hiphop equiv of the hives or the white stripes or some other mtv nu rock
hahahaha Actually I pretty much laughed at the entire paragraph.

nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 13 October 2002 08:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"it's like if there was a sign at the top of ILM saying "Missy Elliot something we can all relate to".... "

It was a shame we had to take that down.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 13 October 2002 08:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, did somrone even mention Missy on that "is there one performer we can all agree to like" thread? I think she could've given James Brown a run for his money...

When they say "Soul music something we can all relate to"...I think to myself, but but I can't relate

Ah, but soul music *is* something we can all relate to, since we can all relate to the soul in the music we like, whatever music that may be. Else we wouldn't listen to it.

Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 13 October 2002 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i've never heard missy elliot, but jurassic 5 area all over college radio here and they suck the same as all bought by college white kid rap. if they showed they were having a good time they might feel guilty about it.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 13 October 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked "Concrete Schoolyard". I wonder if I still like it. The rest of it was rubbish though. I'm surprised there aren't more J5 fans round here.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 13 October 2002 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

The first section of this thread illustrates exatly why I hate the vast majority of artist-specific hip-hop threads in ILX. Regarding the points raised in the second half - J5 have put out a couple of amazing tunes - Jayou and Concrete Schoolyard, obviously, haven't heard the last album or the new one as I was completely indifferent to them. Chali 2Na, despite the rubbish name, has a marvellously deep voice and a great flow, and hearing him on even a mediocre track (like that one on the new Blackalicious album) can brighten up my day.

HowI feel it's the whole "the past was better, these MCs these days don't do it like I want them to do it therefore they must be rubbish" subtext to them which winds me up, especially when it's the central theme of the song. This is the same thing that annoys me about Jakki's rap on RJD2's FHH, which, while musically brilliant, has the most "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"-inspiring lyrics I've heard for a very long time.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 13 October 2002 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought they were over-rated...they just seem a bit dull - not really doing anything amazing just competent

blueski, Sunday, 13 October 2002 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of their songs sound okay, but their whole attitude of "we're better because we're SMARTER" makes me fucking sick. I liked the political power pop example but I'd even compare them to the worst progressive rock or that neo free jazz shit... thinking they're somehow on a higher level because their songs are about REAL THINGS and not dumm ol sex and fuckin...

Worst part of it is that it feeds little kids like my friends this feeling, giving them this air of superiority that they don't really know if they deserve. I was talking to a friend of mine on IM and I told him to download Work It, and he said that the more reliable, more intellectual hip hop fans he knows told him to stay away from mainstream rap. I got him to download the track and when he did he said that the music was okay but the lyrics sounded like they were "just about having sex." Well, yeah. In conclusion J5 have THINKIN BRAINS but Nelly and Timbaland could still kick the shit out of them.

Leon Neyfakh, Monday, 14 October 2002 02:22 (twenty-three years ago)

yes when will the day be that jay z or eminem matches the lyrical depth of 'we're not ballin or shot callin / we take it back to the days of yes yallin'

s trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 October 2002 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe that if I hear any more yes y'allin' my fucking head will explode.

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Monday, 14 October 2002 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Who was that rapper who had a nearly identical line about how he was sick of "all y'all's balling/shot callin'/yes y'allin"?

Anyway I like J5 in small doses (they're in my car stereo right now) but only one song of positivity at a time before I need to turn them off.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 October 2002 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

yes when will the day be that jay z or eminem matches the lyrical depth of 'we're not ballin or shot callin / we take it back to the days of yes yallin'

Around about the same time J5 urge us to "Do it for Kid Rock, do it for Fred Durst".

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 October 2002 08:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I had a dream last night about Jurassic 5.. and I BLAME YOU FUCKERS

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 October 2002 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, but, are they worse or better than Ugly Duckling?

Jacob, Monday, 14 October 2002 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

ballin (being a playa) and shot-callin (being a playa) is like the opposite of yes-yallin (being a party freak), someone correct me if i'm wrong - maybe the guys sterl's thinking of just hates all of that (mc pinefox?)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Nah the point of the line was just I think that this was all old lyrical content and the MC was out to bring fresh crowd-movin chants.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

"I'm not ballin / I'm just callin / But I'm past the days of yes-yallin" - Chuck D 14 years ago

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

youre all 'j5 used to be so tight' alright so yes we all know concrete schoolyard was great but can someone on this thread please tell me why this like this song specifically??

s trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Because barbershop hip-hop is great.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, but, are they worse or better than Ugly Duckling?

Lord, at least give j5 some credit.

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 October 2002 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

cos you get goosebumps when the bassline thumps

minna (minna), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i throwups when the(ir) bassline thumps

jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

eleven months pass...
Almost exactly a year later: I saw J5 live and they were fucking fantastic. Ya'll just hataz.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 13 October 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If You Only Knew is incredibly incredible.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 13 October 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

If anything j5 has ever done was anywhere near as cool as the Cut Chemist/Gift of Gab colaborations, I might own a j5 album.

Chali 2na has done some verses I really really like and I don't think any of them have been on j5 songs, ha ha.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 13 October 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

What CC/Gab Collabs? (yeah, see what I did there)

J5 are cool live (so are UD for that matter, saw 'em both at 2001's Essential Festival), and decent folks besides, except maybe CC, but they make some shit records. After all this time, I only truly treasure 'Action Satisfaction' (I'm probably alone there) and I only needed to see them live *once*.

In fact, I think I'll listen to UD's Fresh Mode EP after work. Ah, good times.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 13 October 2003 12:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Cut Chemist/Gift of Gab have two colabs that are on Blackalicious albums, "Alphabet Aerobics" and "Chemical Calisthenics". They are fucking gnarly amazing recordings.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 13 October 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, duh. Of course 'Alphabet Aerobics'. Cheers.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 13 October 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

Pulled out my copy of Quality Control for the first time in, like 8 years. It wasn't as good as I remember it being in college. :(

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:16 (seventeen years ago)

Something tells me Delton 3030 might hold up tho

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)

Good beat on "Jurass Finish First"

The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:17 (seventeen years ago)

They're OK, but you only need two or three of their songs to get the idea.

chap, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:18 (seventeen years ago)

I never cared for that album, somehow. It seemed like it had this studied quality of academicized hip-hop. I liked Dilated Peoples better.

res, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:19 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, "Jurass Finish First" and "Improvise" are still pretty dope IMHO. Combine that with the first EP and "What's Golden" off the second record and that's pretty much all you really need.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:20 (seventeen years ago)

I always thought Jurassic > Dilated, but I think now that I'm a little older, I might switch that opinion.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)

i like what's golden a lot

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 June 2008 16:29 (seventeen years ago)

does quality control just repeat the same hook over and over or was i just jamming a shitty limewire copy back in middle school?

J0rdan S., Friday, 27 June 2008 16:30 (seventeen years ago)

i still kinda dig that first EP with concrete schoolyard on it

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:31 (seventeen years ago)

u were jamming a shitty limewire copy. Early copy protection lolz.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

I still like "Concrete Schoolyard" really. God there's a lot of boring shit around it tho.

Noodle Vague, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:33 (seventeen years ago)

didnt they have some hot track w/ big daddy kane or something?

deej, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)

And now I'm listening to J5 and my officemate just called me corny.
Thanks ILX.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:35 (seventeen years ago)

hahaha

"sampleslaya" by armand van helden is like 1,000,000,000 times better than j5

Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:37 (seventeen years ago)

TS: J5 vs. The Saturday Knights

(I like the Knights tbh)

Mackro Mackro, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:39 (seventeen years ago)

Shame to forksclovetofu
I saw them at Reading fest I think (I saw a lot of things, too many pills) but they were great then, the crowd were really into it. I think they can put on a good show and bring out a good tune but they aren't of any real significance imo. Or I may have confused them with The Young Knives.

VeronaInTheClub, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:40 (seventeen years ago)

i still like Charlie 2na's voice too. (he's the deep baritone dude right)? the rest i can never even remember anything they say

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:42 (seventeen years ago)

I think Kanye's emblematic teddy bear is lifted from the J5 furry video... True or false?

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:43 (seventeen years ago)

FALSE

VeronaInTheClub, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:44 (seventeen years ago)

J5 is awesome cuz every dumbass i know who doesn't like rap always sites them as being an example of "good rap"

"Man yeah there's a lot of bad hip hop out there, but there's some really intelligent stuff going on in underground rap...like Jurassic 5"

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

lesson 6 is aight for nostalgia but generally pffffft

banriquit, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

Okay, why the teddy bear then?

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

Also, I'm done listening now; they're good for like fifteen minutes once every six months.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:46 (seventeen years ago)

we're all passing over the nascent dom-ethan beef upthread ;)

banriquit, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:47 (seventeen years ago)

love for remember his name tho'.
I love songs that are supposed to take place over the phone.
There should be a thread.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

I was just saying, 1-900-Hustler by Jay-Z is like OMG

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:53 (seventeen years ago)

Saying to myself, because all my friends listen to Wolf Parade and shit

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:55 (seventeen years ago)

And now I'm listening to J5 and my officemate just called me corny.
Thanks ILX.

-- forksclovetofu, Friday, June 27, 2008 12:35 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

He would have called you corny anyway.

Hurting 2, Friday, 27 June 2008 16:58 (seventeen years ago)

Probably.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 27 June 2008 17:42 (seventeen years ago)

I can't remember any J5 song. I really need to update my hard drive. :-(

stevienixed, Friday, 27 June 2008 17:46 (seventeen years ago)

J5 makes me really miss the Muppets :(

Mackro Mackro, Friday, 27 June 2008 19:08 (seventeen years ago)

turble. just turble.

PappaWheelie V, Friday, 27 June 2008 23:51 (seventeen years ago)

The strawman of the white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan

The Reverend, Saturday, 28 June 2008 00:30 (seventeen years ago)

i'm white btw

The Reverend, Saturday, 28 June 2008 00:31 (seventeen years ago)

J5 is awesome cuz every dumbass i know who doesn't like rap always sites them as being an example of "good rap"

"Man yeah there's a lot of bad hip hop out there, but there's some really intelligent stuff going on in underground rap...like Jurassic 5"

THIS IS SO F'ING OTM ^^^

stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 03:15 (seventeen years ago)

around 8-9 years ago, J5 was so much fun to see live. their EP is a classic, their first album has a couple really nice joints on it, but that was already the beginning of the end. plus, the first Ozomatli album is pretty much the shit directly because of the presence of Chali 2na and Cut Chemist and i think that was around the time of that EP just before Quality Control. that was a pretty good couple year run for them.

pipecock, Saturday, 28 June 2008 03:44 (seventeen years ago)

Favorite Music:

If you can show me a band I haven't heard of, I'll be amazed.

Some Favorites:::::--- Sublime, Atmosphere, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Mat Kearney, Paul Wright, Casting Crowns, Chris Tomlin, +44, Sonic Flood, 311, A Tribe Called Quest, A.F.I, Aesop Rock, Beastie Boys, Blackalicious, Blink 182, Bob Marley, Bob Schneider, Bonobo, Brand New, Broken Social Scene, Cake, Dave Mathews Band, Deltron, Easy Star All Stars, Everclear, Gorillaz, Gym Class Heroes, Jedi Mind Tricks, Jurassic 5, Lil Wayne, Matisyahu, Modest Mouse, O.A.R, Oasis, People Under The Stairs, Radiohead, Relient K, Slightly Stoopid, Something Corporate, Sum41, Taking Back Sunday, Thievery Corporation, Jeezy, This Beautiful Republic.

The list goes on.

-- from a fratty Facebook profile i just checked out. note the presence of Jurassic 5 in such wonderful company as Sublime, Atmosphere, RHCP and the rest of this decked out list.

"If you can show me a band I haven't heard of, I'll be amazed."

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WOW

stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 07:47 (seventeen years ago)

this must be added:

Favorite Books:

Bible, Wakeboard Magazine (that counts as a book)

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THERE ARE NO WORDS

stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 07:50 (seventeen years ago)

wow you are easily amazed. must be nice.

memwer, Saturday, 28 June 2008 10:10 (seventeen years ago)

I still bet that guy is a shitload more fun to be around than "stephen" though

DJ Mencap, Saturday, 28 June 2008 13:45 (seventeen years ago)

At this point, I'm way more suspicious of people who rep Matisyahu.

HI DERE, Saturday, 28 June 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)

i saw Charlie Tuna in a record store last weekend. he's FUCKING HUGE. like 8 feet tall 400lbs. i wanted to kick him in the shins

jaxon, Saturday, 28 June 2008 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

wow you are easily amazed. must be nice.

there's this thing called "beer"... :)

stephen, Saturday, 28 June 2008 15:25 (seventeen years ago)

omg THE STARK REALNESS OF THESE NIGGAS IS CHOKING ME SOMEBODY OPEN A WINDOW

-- s trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 12 October 2002 19:53 (5 years ago) Link

loll

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 June 2008 18:16 (seventeen years ago)


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