Perverse Refusal to Release or Reissue Good Material

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The Kraftwerk thread got me thinking about this. (Even though I don't love the first two Kraftwerk albums, I do think they should be officially reissued; though I have to admit decent sounding unlicensed copies are easy enough to come by, or were when I got mine.)

Anyway I am thinking of cases where the artist refuses to release something, or allow it to be reissued (not when some third party doesn't put something out for legal reasons or what have you).

Some of the 5% of Pscychic TV's recorded output which is not crap, has never been released on CD, to the best of my knowledge. Also: I don't understand why Neil Young doesn't release Chrome Dream, which has some of his best material on it.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

the My Generation album was a shining example until a few weeks ago...although i guess that fits the 3rd party exception you mention, so nevermind

it'd be nice if that first Talking Heads live LP circa 81 got the digital treatment. dunno if that's being held back by anyone/thing or just willfully ignored.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim Buckley's "Starsailor" is one hard record to get ahold of. every time i bid on it on ebay, some mutherfunker would swoop out and bid on it the very last minute for 50cents more than i bid. i finally got it, and i didn't even care anymore

but i think zappa's family owns the rights to it (wasn't it on straight, or bizarre or whatever the hell that label's called??)

JasonD, Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:43 (twenty-three years ago)

prince to thread!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Neil Young hates CDs. Some of his records were mastered using some type of odd analog mastering process and for some reason are harder to retransfer, at least that is what I read quite a few years ago. "On the Beach" is one of his best albums, the companion piece to "Tonight's the Night". It is a shame it hasn't been in print for 20 years.

I was suprised to find out a couple of weeks ago that all of the Uncle Tupelo records have gone out of print. I was talking to someone about them and he asked me to burn them for him, as they are currently unavalable. Weird...I would think that would have a decent back catalog worth.


It is also a shame that Subterrenean and Flipper don't get along, as their two studio albums are out of print. At least "Generic" was pressed around 10 years ago, so it isn't too hard to find. "Gone Fishin" is really hard to find and the couple of times I did, they wanted too much for the copy, so my old album tape dub still matters.

"No New York" is a similar case, but I have heard their is a recent Japanese cd pressing.

"Lick My Decals Baby" by Captain Beefheart is another one that has never been in print for very long and is kind of hard to find. There was a recent new vinyl reissue in the past few months, who knows how long it will last. I've got a German vinyl pressing, I think from the 80s. The original "Bat Chain Puller" has yet to ever to be pressed, out side some boots.

One of the best bands whose albums haven't been in print for a long time is The Effiges. If I owned a reissue label, I would reissue all three of their studio albums. They were a good band.


earlnash, Thursday, 17 October 2002 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Al, there's allegedly a Talking Heads boxset coming out that should include The Name of This Band...

I have no complaints since Lifter Puller's back catalog has been reissued. Huzzah.

A.V. Alexandre (Keiko), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Three words: SARAH FUCKING RECORDS

Plus I'm still waiting for anything approaching an adequate Dolly Mixture reissue.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

all of the Uncle Tupelo records have gone out of print

I'm pretty sure there's a re-release planned to follow up on the best-of/career overview released this year, on the same label that put that one out.

It's a shame, but I'm pretty sure T. Rex's Slider is out of print in the States. It's hard to find at least, meanwhile there are a million different singles/best-of/rarities sets floating around.

wl (wl), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway I am thinking of cases where the artist refuses to release something, or allow it to be reissued (not when some third party doesn't put something out for legal reasons or what have you).

Interesting post...

I don't know, I am generally of the opinion that the artist should maintain that right to suppress any work (barring no other legal obligations), if they feel THAT strongly against it being released.
As one who has dabbled in writing/recording over the years, I know I totally cringe looking back at many things I wrote 10-15 years ago, and would categorically NOT want it shared with anyone, no matter how big the perceived demand or considering that hmmm some people might like this even though it's still an utter embarrassment to me. So, I think sometimes the artists have their reasons, and no matter how personal it seems, or how much it makes us ache, sometimes we just have to respect it and move on...

However, I think once the work IS out and through legitimate means, then maybe that might be another story. For example, I've heard a story that Allan Holdsworth has refused to sign copies of his "Velvet Darkness" album for any of his fans, because though it counts as an official release (Columbia Records), he disavows it as nothing more than a jam session from early on in his career that he never wanted to be released. There, I think that he should probably just suck it up for the sake of the people who own and like the CD and since it's out already and there's nothing he can do about it...

Joe (Joe), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Kevin Shields to thread 10 years ago.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm pretty sure T. Rex's Slider is out of print in the States

Nope, it's around -- the Polygram bunch released the Edsel pressings over here fairly recently, and you should be able to order it readily.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

All that being said, I too don't see what Ralf and Florian's big deal is about their first albums, and certainly reissuing them properly (a la the Neu! albums) would be certainly good wedge for them. Though they ain't my cup of tea, there's certainly nothing on them that strikes me as particularly awful or embarrassing... (though maybe there should be! :) )

Joe (Joe), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope, it's around -- the Polygram bunch released the Edsel pressings over here fairly recently, and you should be able to order it readily.

Neat, thanks! I think I own a sketchy copy of my own released by some weird label, but it's good to know it's back in-print.

wl (wl), Friday, 18 October 2002 00:56 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd like to see the vermonster stuff reissued - best twisted village releases ever and it's hard to find them for under $40 (excepting "holy sound of american pipe"). and they continue with the sham that is the major stars.

and JAKE HOLMES - if anything deserves a decent reissue it's his first two albums... "above ground sound of jake holmes" should be reissued just so the world could hear the original version of "dazed and confused."

monoton's "produkt 07" and "weiss/rot" would also be nice to see.

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 18 October 2002 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe Kraftwerk don't want people to find out that they're not robots.

Keith McD (Keith McD), Friday, 18 October 2002 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Boards of Canada's early self-published albums are in desperate need of reissue. Twoism will be out again soon, but only after every peer-to-peer user alive has listened to it.

ciaran, Friday, 18 October 2002 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Felt

gygax!, Friday, 18 October 2002 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Comsat Angels' first three albums
MBV rare EPs
Disco Inferno's EPs (but thanks so much Ned for my copy!)
In fact, much of the original shoegaze stuff needs reissuing: the first Chapterhouse record needs to be more readily available, as do good-sounding early Ride EPs (hmm, let's master these from vinyl, great idea! ...tools...) _Raise_ by Swervedriver (still don't have it; still never heard them), PYGFUCKINGMALION (but thanks JC!), _Blue Day_ (there needs to be a Slowdive box more than anything, pleasepleaseplease happen!)...
Oh yeah, lest I forget...
_Buy the Contortions_
_Playing with a Different Sex_ by the Au Pairs
_No New York_
Loop's early-ish stuff

Clarke B., Friday, 18 October 2002 03:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, I lost sight of your original intent for the thread, Mr. Scientist -- I get agitated over these things!

Clarke B., Friday, 18 October 2002 03:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember Damon wanted "Bang" to be omitted from the Blur Best Of cos he hates it so much. Shame, I always liked it, and it was the first blur record I ever bought. EMI won anyway - it went on.

I wish you could get The Cure's Carnage Visors and the Standing On A Beach b-sides on CD. But I doubt Robert cares enough to have banned either...

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 18 October 2002 04:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No New York was reissued. But illegally. And only in Japan.

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 18 October 2002 05:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Having Fun with Elvis on Stage.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 18 October 2002 05:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Electric Sound Of Jim... don't think so somehow.... mind you if you need anything I've got every CD they ever made...

Rob M (Rob M), Friday, 18 October 2002 07:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I've said it before, but someone has to go hillwalking with Bill Drummond and make him see the error of his ways. The hills and lowlands need to reverberate to the sound of the KLF again.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 18 October 2002 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)

A JAMMS/KLF singles compilation is indeed completely urgent and key - some of the greatest pop records of all time and completely out of print. Maybe the Top 40 could be nationalised.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 18 October 2002 08:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Am I the only person who thinks that there is an element of classic to this? I mean, if the artist doens't want something reissued for whatever reason (e.g. it was so much of its time, or they can't be bothered, or whatever) then that seems fair enough. And I like artists who behave perversely. It's not a service industry.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 18 October 2002 08:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Teddy Bautista of Los Canarios refuses to re-release anything other than some kind of prog concept album. I know this from overheard shop conversations. You can get some tracks on Kent and Goldmine compilations though. The guitarist was on the news this morning promoting a book about Spanish music in the sixties which might interest you ye-ye freaks. I think the title is Bienvenido Mister Rock, which sounds promising.

Isn't all that JAMMS stuff out of the question for copyright reasons? It would be nice though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 18 October 2002 08:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Judee Sill (anyone have a copy available for trade?)

david h (david h), Friday, 18 October 2002 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim H is OTM. There's enough stuff around anyway. I LIKE not having things.

Clarke - All the Au Pairs stuff was rereleased on CD (on RPM?), although it's probably out of print again. I have PWADS and the second album on CD with added singles. The vinyl is all easy to find.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 09:40 (twenty-three years ago)

how easy are ar kane to find on cd? cos i've failed thus far to do so.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Friday, 18 October 2002 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Opal - Early Recordings.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 18 October 2002 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks, Dr. C -- I think PWADS is indeed out of print again. The vinyl pops up on Ebay fairly regularly but fetches ridiculous prices I'm not quite prepared to pay. I have to admit, it *is* kind of fun to hunt things down or to be hungry for hard-to-find stuff.

Mitch, try half.com for their compilation _Americana_ on Luaka Bop -- I got my copy for 75 cents, and it's amazing. As for the individual albums, those I think are harder to come by (I have _69_ on vinyl and don't own _i_ -- yet!), but you might try amazon.co.uk; since they were more readily available there in the first place, they may have some used copies.

Clarke B., Friday, 18 October 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Jason, email me, I can burn you a copy of Starsailor.

gygax, Felt LPs are in bargain bins all across this fine country of ours.

hstencil, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

It would be great to get a Rationals sinngles compilation, but they cannot because their singles are all owned by different labels.

mt, Friday, 18 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

AR KANE stuff here : http://www.netsounds.com/search.cgi 'I' and '69' are available on CD for decent prices.

Clarke : I could burn you a copy of the Au Pairs stuff. Plus I know someone who has just closed his recd shop down and is trading over the net. He did have a CD copy of PWADS in stock, and might still have it - his stock is not listed on the net in full yet. He'll sell you it for £10 I should think. L:et me know if you want his e-mail address, and I'll e-mail you off-board.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 18 October 2002 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Great thread. I picked up Slider about a year ago here in the States, so it is indeed around. KLF's White Room has actually been repressed as recently as 2001 -- there's a U.S. version with a second disc containing the Tammy Wynette stuff -- and yeah it seems like the fact that it's all out of print sort of fits in with the whole ephemeral quality of the project. Although maybe they could make some sort of statement about the shitty quality of best of albums.... hmmm... a letter needs to be sent to Drummond ASAP. (And thanks for the link to AR Kane stuff Dr. C! I've been trying to locate them without much luck).

Aaron W., Friday, 18 October 2002 13:59 (twenty-three years ago)

(hmm, let's master these from vinyl, great idea! ...tools...)

If the master tapes no longer exist, yr only real option is to master from vinyl. It would sound worse mastering from a CD.

Buy the Contortions

You can buy the reissue through 2.13.61's web site. Plus, Tigerstyle is putting out a 4 CD James Chance box set next year, so it's closer than you think.

Vic Funk, Friday, 18 October 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a shame, but I'm pretty sure T. Rex's Slider is out of print in the States.
Its available as a "2 albums on 1 CD". Look for the newest release of Electric Warrior and you get The Slider for free.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:20 (twenty-three years ago)

''Tim H is OTM. There's enough stuff around anyway. I LIKE not having things.''

no. I NEED evry single rec evah released. so that i stop making assumptions abt things of course.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I LIKE not having things.

Dr. C speaks in riddles and I know not what he means.

Clarke: you silly boy, if you need more gaze stuff, why are you not talking to me more? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 October 2002 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Having Fun with Elvis on Stage.

Bah. Both "Elvis' Greatest Shit" and "Having Fun With Gene On Stage" are widely superior.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 October 2002 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I've got the wonderful Greatest Shit, but have yet to hear Gene (though I heard it was Paul Stanley?) -- any pointers?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 October 2002 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

When will someone reissue the one and only record by the 60s psychedelic pop band Smoke (not The Smoke, who were from UK, but Smoke, from the US)? When, God, when????

Adam Bruneau, Friday, 18 October 2002 23:20 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, i've wanted the story on the name of this band is .. and lick my decals off .. and on the beach but they're obvious examples -- maybe stop maing sense was such a big coup that it was considered confusing for the new mass audience to re-visit the less immediate material -- .. decals .. really shows up trout mask .. in some ways, 'cause you can see the flaws in beefheart's m.o. 'cause you can hear him properly, and you can hear the band too, which maybe sound better without him

i bought an old secondhand cd of 'til the band comes in (scott walker) which was lucky -- you can't get anything of nite flights except the four scott tracks hidden on another album -- because bowie and eno were so into nite flights it's hard not to see it being re-released for the same commercial reasons that precluded some of these others from being re-released -- part of the myth ?

i think that when artists like beefheart or walker abandon a label after one album there'll be a falling out between the two parties, so bloody-mindedness and maybe liquidation conspire to create a no-win situation

neil young banning on the beach is just poseur singer-songwriter sell-out -- neil young is no stanley kubrick -- no he's so out of touch, so obsessed with his own talents -- so that album shows him up in a rare moment of tenderness, confusion, fear -- well the thirty other neil young albums just re-assure his crosby/stills/nash/young middle class audience -- it's not as if it's banned because it's bad, no, the opposite, it shows up most of his back catalogue for the hack he is, rockin' in the free world etc.

george gosset (gegoss), Friday, 18 October 2002 23:57 (twenty-three years ago)

If nobody is going to speak out on behalf of obscurity then it's left to me: I say the more good stuff that's out of print, the better! Not so I can hoard it or anything, but for the purposes of things retaining the sheen that only secrecy can give them. I heart way cool reissues but if everything's available, nothing's special. I like knowing that there are records that I've only ever heard of but never seen. I want there to be recordings whose reputations have a religious feel to them due to the actual artifacts being things whose existences may only exist in rumor.

(I think this is what people mean when they say "collector scum" though I don't consider myself a proper collector since I don't take good care of my collection: it's more a hoarder than a collector mentality.)

J0hn Darn13lle, Saturday, 19 October 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

...wait, Tim already said what I was saying. Need sleep.

J0hn Darn13lle, Saturday, 19 October 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I heart way cool reissues but if everything's available, nothing's special.

My counterexample: I've got everything the Chameleons seemingly ever recorded and those songs can still knock me dead. And that includes demo collections, weird early live albums, the works. But this might not be the exact point of comparison?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 19 October 2002 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

No Ned I don't mean the music loses what's special: its that the records do. Music doesn't equal records in my admittedly perverse way of thinking. There's great music on uninteresting records, great records where the music is only part of the deal, etc etc. The obscurity point is that some recorded media containing great music gain an extra sort of shimmer when you have to work harder to get them. That some things are made richer by their obscurity. People who help me made records hate it when I start talking about this sort of thing. :)

J0hn Darn13lle, Saturday, 19 October 2002 23:20 (twenty-three years ago)

This is all your roundabout way of saying that the rarities comp series could easily be ten discs long instead of three, of course. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 October 2002 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

**Dr. C speaks in riddles and I know not what he means**

You're not alone, Ned ;). I dislike *completeness*. I don't want *everything* by any artist - I like having gaps to be explored at some point in the future if I get round to it. If not, then fine - there's so much good stuff around that I want that I've never seen the point of chasing rareties *that* hard. If stuff falls into my lap - great.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 20 October 2002 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

This is all your roundabout way of saying that the rarities comp series could easily be ten discs long instead of three, of course.

no what I mean is my best album is the one I never released that only five or six people have ever heard ;-)

J0hn Darn13ll3, Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Why, you horrible selfish man! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 October 2002 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Peter Grudzien's The Unicorn

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 October 2002 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr. C, I would LOVE his email address and stuff. Thanks so much for the lead... And Ned, I will certainly be in touch with you. ;-) Sorry I didn't make it to Terrastock; ah, finances... We'll have to have a meet-up, though, if I'm out your way visiting possible grad schools this coming year.

Clarke B., Monday, 21 October 2002 02:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah, very good. Yes, we must contemplate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 October 2002 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Apparently the Homosexuals refuse to let any of their (INCREDIBLE) stuff be reissued--L. Voag's side project _The Way Out_ was reissued a few years ago, but the impression I get was that it was under some kind of duress, though with permission.

Douglas, Monday, 21 October 2002 17:47 (twenty-three years ago)

The obscurity point is that some recorded media containing great music gain an extra sort of shimmer when you have to work harder to get them.

I used to think this way too. Then I left the teenage years behind.

hstencil, Monday, 21 October 2002 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Not me! 18 & Life baby!

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 October 2002 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

So that's why I can't find any Homosexuals records.

Also, pretty much everything that Infinite Zero reissued in the mid-nineties is out of print again, as are alot of the things that got big reissues becuz of the alt-rock revolution (rokk 4-evah! *****!), Cobain namechecks (The Raincoats for instance).

I do wish Rhino had made more copies of the Funhouse sessions box also.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 October 2002 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

duane got me very excited about the homosexuals but then didn't turn out to have any -- presumably he'd expected me to have some when he bought them up -- so some people somewhere have to go out and leave it lying around somewhere public etc..
as for infinite zero and rhino's funhouse it's a real pity too but typical -- that jack nitsche rhino thing was "limited" as well -- economics i suppose


warning:

some of my best "bargain" finds over the last 5-10 years have been us$3 cut-outs that'd been dumped, and i figure the situation is only going to get worse
the record companies have no confidence in their own future so obviously they'll be ditching their most interesting stuff first, and re-issues are out of the question aren't they, with the i.t. bubble burst, the economic down-sizings, small re-issue outfits no longer able to ride any of that, mindless consumers, etc.
i.e. i think we enjoyed access to lot's of weird stuff served up on cd during the mid-nineties that will never be re-issued again

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 21 October 2002 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)


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