suncream, zits and wrinkles: rolling skincare thread?

Yeah I haven't used washcloths since I was a kid but why on earth not? - I don't know. I found myself looking at those electronic face brush thingies and I guess a washcloth would do pretty much the same thing!

i use baking soda to exfoliate sometimes, just a little mixed in with soap or w/e

All anyone needs is a washcloth. It's much less damaging than the brushes and gets the work done.

The two beauty people I read evangelise about 'hot cloth cleansing' which is basically washing your face with a flannel afaict (not with a foaming cleanser though, no never, SLSs are evil and drying - although I've always used one but thinking of switching up to a cleansing oil or gel). Scrubbing in small circles is good and means you don't really need a scrubby exfoliator.

Incidentally one hates the Clarisonic face brush things and one really likes them.

I tried the Eve Lom cleanser which is $$ but everyone rates and actually it was gorgeous to use (you put it on dry skin, then rest a hot wrung-out cloth over your face a few times which is lush, then wash off) - but totally brought me out in spots. So did the Liz Earle Cleanse & Polish balm. I think balm cleansers are not for me.

when i was teen and 20-something I would put boiling water in the bathroom sink a towel over my head and steam the shit out of my face. I would follow this by draining the hot water and filling the sink with ice which i would plunge my face into for as long as I could stand.

These days i'm using dead sea salt to exfoliate, a cucumber peel-off mask and No.7 serum for the moisturizing.

been trying out La Roche Posay double moisturising spf 30 stuff

it's sold as a moisturizer/sunscreen, but I found that it was not an adequate moisurizer for me. two days in and my skin was dry and itchy and breaking out. once I started layering it over my normal moisturizer it seemed to work a lot better and my skin calmed down again.

saw a lot of rosacea folks repping the aveeno baby sunscreen too, so I might grab that for camping this weekend

Is it the sunscreen that's drying out your skin? Moisturizer w/ sunscreen makes my eyes water and sting for a good twenty minutes. I have found that banana boat children's spray sunscreen doesn't though so I use that and a no sunscreen moisturizer separately.

i ended up with Vanicream spf 50 sunscreen, basically a no frills physical sunblock with zinc oxide & titanium dioxide

works a charm. my problem seems to have been reactions to the chemical sunscreen components i think

i am using vanicream cleanser too, a bit more gentle than cerave & is working p well

the sunscreen has been helping calm my skin too which is a nice side benefit.

Nice!

Since moving to Australia Sunscreen has become a big deal for my pasty rainy island skin. The one I have settled on is Dr Jart Sunfluid which i was introduced to on a work trip to Korea by a colleague who is a Korean Cosmetics obsessive. Fantastic and doesn't make my eyes sting and is not sticky like many other sunscreens I've tried. I like the idea of this vanicream though, I will seek out.

who's using The Ordinary? I am and have quite a lot to say (and am extremely happy with it) but there's no point talking into a void. Let me know if you're a user. ha.

Not I, but I like their approach. It's quite popular here in the UK afaik.

i have v sensitive skin & rosacea ... i am very leery of this stuff bcz i never know what’s going to freak my face out

Had a whole discussion about the ordinary yesterday on fb. I am currently using their HA serum as well as the niacinamide and zinc one. So far I really like it and my skin seems to love it.

my favourite thing is the Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate (lol) which is actually the most expensive thing they do - it's a vitamin C derivative in vitamin F. It's REALLY brightening and makes my skin glow (which was my major concern, my skin was so dull and lifeless) - I recommend this to anyone, it's very gentle too. My other main rec. is the Alpha Lipoic Acid, which you use 2-3 times per week overnight. you can really see a difference when you wake up. It's quite strong and warming/tingly so maybe not great for very sensitive skin.

it's really very addictive buying new things though. I think i have 12 or so of these bottles.

I have other recs but I'll get back to it later.

Ooh thank you for the recs! Just checked and the one thing I'm usuing is actually Deciem which, i think, is the ordinary's parent company or something so it's not as inexpensive as the other stuff but I really like it. It's this one: http://hylamide.com/product/subq-anti-age-30ml

VG, this looks quite good re: The Ordinary and Rosacea

https://skincaresavvy.wordpress.com/tag/rosacea/

I want to try that one ENBB. I might splash out. My friend rates it v highly too.

ooh thanks for that link jed! i might try it out

funnily that blog post uses the not-very-common word "leery" that you also used!

it's a sign!

:D

I used Kiehls ultra moisturizer for years on my face and switched to First Aid Beauty a couple of years ago. It's my go to now (partner uses it too and he has eczema and loves it), except I can't seem to get it where I am. So, I am on a trip in France and they don't seem to have it in Sephora either. I am trying out this embryolisse lait creme that I kept reading about. It's a little heavy.

Also has anyone ever used face/hair oils? I am intrigued by some of these french ones.

Does The Ordinary have just a general daily moisturizer that you would recommend?

When in France a few months ago I went a little crazy in the parapharmacie; I got and like the embryolisse creme, good for winter. Got some of the nuxe huile prodigieuse face/hair/body oil and it's fine, but not something I think I'd repurchase (especially at USA prices). I'm having a much better time with the A313 retinol compared to straight up (generic) .05% retin-A. Less irritating on me for sure. Cicabiafine hand cream is my new fave--my job has me washing my hands (largely with alcohol-based gel sanitizers) a couple of dozen times a day and this stuff has really helping me get through the cold/dry months. I like the nuxe lip balm in the little pot. And I like spraying my face with various thermal water sprays even though I doubt it does a damn thing beyond feel good.

Yerac, the NMF (natural moisturising factors) with Hyaluronic Acid is good and cheap. It's a particular bargain if you can catch the 100ml size when it's in stock (it always seems to sell out as soon as they get it in).

http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-natural-moisturizing-factors-ha-100ml

I think this with The Buffet is a good combo if you want something very gentle.

http://theordinary.com/product/rdn-buffet-30ml?redir=1

Oh, I keep putting the Nuxe huile on one part of my hair when I go to the pharmacy trying to see if it would be worth it. And then trying to decide between that and the Lenore Greyl one. I like how the Greyl one smells better (ir's on sale too).

I think they sell The Ordinary now at Sephora? I am going to be in London soon so will look for it. I didn't see it here yet.

i went to my sephora in Sac & they said it’s only online, so maybe only instore in major cities?

anyway i ordered some hyalauronic acid stuff and azealic acid so we shall see how this goes

i imagine a lot of outlets are leery of selling The Ordinary 100% Marula oil at $10 when the Drunk Elephant one they sell is $70.

i see you & your leery usage :) <3

I have a bottle of the nuxe huile prodigieuse oil but not really sure what you do with it! I did use a bit as a hair oil but I didn't like it as much as the Josh Woods hair oil (both of these came in a beauty advent calendar btw, I don't really buy this stuff)

I think the nuxe stuff you can put on your body after showering. And supposedly it makes tans look nice? I read that some people put a drop or two in the bath. I am more interested in using it for the ends of my hair before shampooing. But i think the Leonor Greyl stuff may be better suited for that. It seemed lighter.

lol, veg!

I've never bought it but I've always been intrigued by the shimmery one for shoulders and stuff. The shimmery nuxe oil, I mean.

i have started using the hyalauronic acid and azelaic acid, so far so good

def smooths and softens my skin.
first time was a bit tingly/burny but i think i used too much & put them on too quickly
second time was much milder & only a little tingly

will have to wait a week or two to see if there’s any difference on the rosacea side of thibgs

Has anyone else tried blue and/or red light therapy? I've been using the welder from the future Neutrogena mask which has both red and blue (and have hacked the powerpack, what a stupid greedy idea) and a more intense red light device lately - and it seems to be working? Dark spots/inflammation lessened etc, fine lines also less noticeable. But maybe I'm blinded by the light.

hello, glad that i found this thread

Hi hi, board! :) I’ve tried a bunch of stuff from The Ordinary and so far my faves are the lactic acid (gets rid of acne spots like whoa) and the hyaluronic acid. I like their salicylic acid too. I thought the azelaic acid would work for me but it didn’t do anything for me really! I have super sensitive breakout-prone rosacea skin, so have been pretty slow in introducing their retinol but am going to start alternating it with lactic acid. And like always wearing sunscreen...

I am very curious about these red and blue light at-home skin therapies!

I hope that work out VG (or i'll be in big trouble)

rrrobyn, I use the lactic too and can vouch for its blemish removal capacities. I actually use it on psoriases after i've got rid of the scales, it helps to remove the red marks. thankfully I don't have that on my face so i'm using it on other parts of my body. I strongly recommend the Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate for the same function and other positive effects (affects?) like brightening. It's expensive for a T'Ordinary product but not expensive in broader skincare terms.

i think anyone new should start with the 5% Lactic acid rather than the 10%. I use the ten but, as I said, I don't use it on my face anyway.

on a tangential topic - caveat, i'm actually relatively new to this type of skincare - active skincare rather than just using a moisturiser as a sheild, or whatever - and it's interesting how annoyed people get when you tell them what you use and how much you spend on certain things even if it's them who asked. my good friend got so annoyed that I was in a shop buying something that cost £12 or so when she asked me where i'd been before we met. she got really het up about it, telling me she'd never spend that (she's a 30 year long smoker who puts coconut oil on her face, feel free to do both!)

my "too expensive" serum cost less than her pack of tobacco.

this happens all the time (women nearly always the targets of this criticism btw) - I follow a beauty columnist on sm and it's the stock response to every. single. article. Oddly you don't see it under e.g. car or tech columns.
'£20 for a moisturiser? I make my own out of twigs' etc

(women nearly always the targets of this criticism btw)

i can def imagine!

i'm a gay man who enjoys women's company more than men's for the most part. i don't mean that in an ingratiating way but i do enjoy talking to women about these kinds of things. good thread for me!

I only use moisturizer and then whatever eye cream I have around. I have yet to settle on any particular eye cream as one that I love. I should up my skincare routine but there are just too many products. I've been trying to go without washing my hair every day but it's causing me to break out around my hairline so maybe the lactic acid would be useful.

I am super excited to try The Ordinary once I can find it, or am somewhere I can get it shipped. I am of course getting overwhelmed by the website.

Oh, blah there is a store in London I can visit.