Reading STUFF into MUSIC

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Why do writers feel the need to write so much (non-musical referency/personal gabbing) into their criticisms of music? Music's evolved over untold years to be, IN ITSELF, an emotional/artistic experience. Isn't it enough? By all means write a personal essay, but why corrupt a piece of music writing w/it? I'm genuinely interested, but I'm also kind of fucked off right now, sorry.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Untold "thousands" or whatever, obv

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i might hate rock writing. i haven't read much of it, but everything i have read i have found distinctly unsatisfactory.

― di smith (lucylurex), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I kind of like it when people do that, not so much non-musical reference but personal "gabbing" etc. Of course there is only a certain degree to which you can do it before it gets annoying and irrelevant, as with all things pretty much. Also can I ask which piece(s) of writing actually prompted this thread, if any?

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

and we can't forget jewel's book of poetry where she talks about her breasts a lot. but that is just too easy to mock i think.

― rebekah, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Hahahhha Jewel. Livvie nothing in PARTICULAR, but it bugs me when the actual musical content of a record comes a big second to personal/social stuff, cos I like music. A lot.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

AHAHAHA! That Jewel thing sounds equal parts appalling and brilliant. And oh, I love the school system for allowing me to talk about Jewel's breasts in the middle of the day. I also hate it for making me DO STUFF though.
And it annoys me too when the content of a record is obscured in favour of the personal, I really meant I like hearing people's opinions to music in reference to them, not just to the music itself.

― Livvie Tapper (Livvie), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

music is personal though, not many people just listen to music and think hey that's music, the music generally reminds them of experiences, memories, regrets. to not talk about these would be to ignore what for many is a huge part of music. sometimes i quite like reading what different kinds of music means to different people.

etc etc more wank

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:49 (twenty-three years ago)

etc etc more wank

anyway maybe my point is if you only want to know about the music, maybe you should be listening to it rather than reading about it? bloody hell my phone cable just fell out.

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

lol double post
sorry

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 01:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it when you wank, Webber. I'm always listening to records while typing etc, anyway.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

actually i have to agree with webber on this one. i'd (sometimes, depending on the writer) prefer if rockwriters had something personal to say about why they like a piece of music rather than trying to make some "objective" statement about it. the main thing that bugs me about music writing is that its mostly really masculine. cos i don't really read that stuff, i'd rather be engulfing myself in the music, so when i do read rock writing, i'd rather not read some guy trying to prove what a swish writer he is by over dramatising his listening experience, or about what a stud he is cos he heard that record while he had his dick up some incidental womans ass. that shit is just fuck off, rock music is about ROCK MUSIC, not about what a BIG MAN YOU ARE.

― di smith (lucylurex), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought that was what I was saying. It's about ROCK MUSIC. What review was this assfucking going on in?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 February 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

1) you're right, it was what you were saying. 2) haha that was a little poetic license on my part, but i will hunt down something that real pissed me off and post it here later, right now i am too lazy.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 27 February 2003 03:44 (twenty-three years ago)

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