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Is it good? Is THIS HIDEOUS INSULT TO CLASSIC UNDERGROUND ROCK really necessary? Don't we already have the picture? Why on Earth do I read it if it bothers me? Why do I like pasting this quote everywhere? Am I merely a Jon Williams wannabe?

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

That is pretty fun, tho. If I was that goodlooking I doubt I'd give much of a shit about music either. I'm not even slightly offended, it just seems a pointless silly kinda showing off about something noone's all that worried about thing, that's all. Maybe I just felt like pasting a post around. Sorry Spencer (not really).

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I bet he hasn't heard "The Blow-Up". The thing (if there even is one) is that TV are just as whatever as the Strokes, but also more other things besides. "Jesus Loves the Stooges" really is pretty odd.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

They didn't put an album out this century tho, which is a kiss of semideath for a white act on ILM. Hey an actual question, sorry for being such a dick so far, but who here only listened to NEW shit when they were in their teens? Cos ILM as a BRAIN/whole has this image of a poplistener teen who just likes that, and tbh they all kinda try to be that teen a bit, but I'm fucked if I ever met a single one, when I was one or not, who didn't LURRRRVE old music cos it was all real and giving them more of what they wanted than the charts and etc. Which would reduce ILM to a kind of sociological analysis of the commercial behaviours of young consumers that have fuckall in common w/the analysists. Actually that'd fit well w/their love for all commercial hiphop, the selfloathing old white creepazoids. AND I'm out

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

(I really am sorry for being a dick (in general really), it's a bravado front cos this is worryingly public for me)

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

If you like the Strokes more than Television, you just don't like TV or what they do. Why does he leave the suggestion that he likes TV in there? How has the context of ILM changed that this sticks out at me? Just all the googlers? Yeah, think so.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

It's more like the distance between being like RIGHTEOUSLY AGGRAVATED and being JON WILLIAMS seems v small if the expression of righteous aggro is this, sometimes.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I like the Strokes much more than Television.
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I like the Ariel Sharon much more than Adolf Hitler.
-- Woody Allen ([email protected]), August 22nd, 2005 6:27 AM. (link) (userip

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

NO WAY, REALLY???????????????? Next you'll like Gary Numan more than D Bowie, ILM! OH WAIT YOU ALREADY DO YOU DUMB DUMB DUMB SELFOBSESSED FUCKS

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

I like Poison more than Motley Crue.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Golly Andrew don't you see how you as the "reader" is as impt as the "author"? Geez! Yr subjective opinions are v worthy of yr own respect! You as one of a unimaginable number of similar (yet UNIQUE, cos like noone else has had exactly the same set of interchangeable circumstances as you man!) people MUST rate yr own opinions and decisions as paramount! Don't you DOWNLOAD, after all? So you don't care enough to give the musicians you like money, right? No I do not dload, and I cannot help but feel consumers are meaningless! Kill us all! You wanna matter, create something that (whether commercially successful first time round or not) gathers an audience. Otherwise yr like y'know STUCK in the MATRIX, etc etc.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I do too, I think.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Golly Andrew don't you see how you as the "reader" is as impt as the "author"? Geez! Yr subjective opinions are v worthy of yr own respect! You as one of a unimaginable number of similar (yet UNIQUE, cos like noone else has had exactly the same set of interchangeable circumstances as you man!) people MUST rate yr own opinions and decisions as paramount! Don't you DOWNLOAD, after all? So you don't care enough to give the musicians you like money, right? No I do not dload, and I cannot help but feel consumers are meaningless! Kill us all! You wanna matter, create something that (whether commercially successful first time round or not) gathers an audience. Otherwise yr like y'know STUCK in the MATRIX, etc etc.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Now I'm listening to Jimmy Cliff and not caring. Jay-Z brings out he worst/BEST, MOTHERFUCKER in me. Sorry.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

i like andrew thames much more than sex.

― di, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

this thread made me chortle, by the way. seems fromr eading this that ilm hasn't changed since last time i looked at it.

― di, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

um andrew y'know that I'm pretty much in the same camp as Spencer with both of those things right! tho I haven't HEARD much TV (d/l-ed a track ages ago, was long & boring; d/l-ed something recently, was long & I don't think I got to the good bit), tho if you can point me in the direction of a TV track that's a 3 minute song you can dance to that sounds like the hook is played on a synthesizer that'd be really great! both d1sasteradio (or is it d1sasterradio? I can never tell w/compound words when the last letter of the first word & first letter of the last word match) & gold3naxe cover "12:51" live. & I mean NUMAN is way more SPECIFIC than DB (also: THEE ASSOCIATES), y'know DEPTH. BM is a way better singer than DB (& his gibberish is more affecting to me than DB); GN has better CRAZY SYNTH SOUNDS and BEATS (see also: gibberish preference).

― etc, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

btw, "papa's got a brand new pigbag" is in the $5 7" bin - do you see the 12" around much? I'd prefer to have the extended version, but . . .
also, prince 12"s are like $29 s/h at RG, wtf? I'd love to have the "let's go crazy"/"erotic city" 12" but not for that sort've $$$.

― etc, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

andrew i agree that these tendencies as manifested in ILM overlord-opinion are super-annoying, but the thing to remember is that if anyone voiced any of these views outside of ILM they would be laughed out of the building!! so i think ILM is important (even tho i also hate it) as a place where gary numan can be taken seriously instead of dismissed because he doesn't fit the "prolific brilliant artistic genius" profile like bowie.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

etc i kinda feel like you dismiss a lot of stuff out of hand because it's a) old, b) uncool by ILM standards and/or c) you can't dance to it or write a thesis on it. that's not meant as an attack or anything, just an observation; i have trouble imagining you writing about, y'know, elvis. actually that's kind of an amusing thought!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

pennys got a shitload of prince 12"s recently, going for around $8 each i believe... should still be here next time your down im guessing

― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:36 (twenty years ago)

JD that's a vv good point, I should remember that. Thank you v much Di, hey happy birthday! Etc that track was (I'm willing to bet) long and boring cos yr not interested in stuff that requires effort or um, a kind of listening skill, I dunno what to call it, Tom's solos on the long tracks of "The Blow-Up" remind me of John Coltrane's a bit (and not in a "long solo=jazz=my one reference" way, mostly). I imagine you don't like him either. That's fine for you (really!) but not for me AT ALL and seeing that lazy selfinterested thing in action as a big part of what dumbass critics are up to PISSES me OFF.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Gary Numan's a cute cartoon version of one facet (maybe that's yr "specificity"?) "Low" Bowie, or of him in that Nic Roeg movie even, he's great at that, but it's all he is. Who's BM? I couldn't really care less what Goldenaxe or Disasteradio cover.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

BM = Billy Mackenzie.

I think it's a FORMAT thing for me, ie when I've d/l-d heap of mp3s & have been at a cybercafe w/headphones on staring at a screen for five hours & I get music off that in 700 megabyte chunks, IMMEDIACY (alt: music I can fall asleep to) is sort've important. as opposed to putting a record on & shit. SET and SETTING. sorry, this is a bit rushed.

Nigel Cox's Tarzan Presley got me into Elvis!

obv. I don't like to be considered part of the ILM hivemind (there's too many ILMs, I mean have you seen how many corny indie fuxx/nu-pigfuck/&c ppl are on it?), esp. as I'm situated on the other side of the world from reificatory &c&c&c's like Poptimism (which is a pretty tiny sliver of &c&c&c, plus they like Bowie anyway! as does, y'know, T1m Finney! & J3ss!) - blah blah being in a hall of residence w/rugbyheads, parents music collection as a teenage consisting of crowded house best-of, queen best-of, aussie cast recording of jesus christ superstar & um that's pretty much it (+ no older brother; best friend for high school had metallica's black album & bob marley's natural mystic; group of girls had spiceworld), unavailability of canonical &c when I was looking for it in dunedin in first year (y'know, when you HAD to get the right CD first, & I couldn't eg find meaty, beaty, big & bouncy & by the time I was in auckland my tastes had changed), blah blah blah. sorry, popped into work & typing this on bosses' cigarette break. gotta go!

― etc, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well I don't really see you as PART, but it's influenced you a fair bit yeah? But like you don't count, it really is good and suitable for you, and knowing you/having our pretty different THINGS w/MUSIC rub off each other blah blah is good I buy house recs now thanks, etc. V nice seeing you today btw. I've never been able to fall asleep to music, I can't help thinking about it. Poor old me. I like DB far more as a singer than BM, but BM's easily good enough that so what, fair enough.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

I like the soulseek leak alert thread on ILM.

― Minty (Minty), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm a soulseek leak alert lurker.

― Minty (Minty), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

That's also my DJ name.

― Minty (Minty), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

Should probably throw a "l33t" in there somewhere too

― Minty (Minty), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

i think billy mackenzie should have at least left me a vial of his cum before he topped himself so i could have had his babies. if he'd done that, he would be the best singer in the universe. as it stands, he is merely fan fucking tastic. sorry, i like interjecting with tangential self-indulgent crap. its the only thing i'm good at.

― di, Wednesday, 24 August 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

hey di, I've got a billy mackenzie bio yr welcome to borrow/have when yr up here.

my other context thing wrt my attitudes - I'm knee deep in the pit of vipers/voles that is KARANGAHAPE RD SCENESTERS, people who (with exceptions) don't like pop (well, post-80s, obv) or hip-hop or house or whatever; there's the ex-hardcore kids who're into dancehall (MUSIC FOR BOYS) & that's about it.

― etc, Thursday, 25 August 2005 05:20 (twenty years ago)

Post- or pre-, surely. Unless that Fleetwood Mac revival me and E tried to spark up took off w/out us noticing. Those facts about dorks're given, f'sure, if I didn't only know about 20 people max things might be v different indeed I guess

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Friday, 26 August 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

Should I be creeped out by this?

I honestly do like The Strokes much more than Television because they write catchy pop songs where all the Television I've heard (and believe me, I really tried to get into it), sounded kind of noodling.

There was a bit of flippancy about it because Television's classic status seems to me like a kind of received wisdom (especially in light of my experience with them).

I also have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about how The Strokes are hated on because of the hype that surrounded them (and their privilege/looks/style etc) and all of the attendant hand-wringing on the part of "critics" who I felt were deaf to their obvious musical appeal.

Also, I assure you that I give a sh*t about music. I thought you knew me better than that.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

I should also note that I am also a big fan of much "CLASSIC UNDERGROUND ROCK."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

Really surprisingly I feel mean now, I actually think you seem pretty cool Spencer, etc etc. I spose what you said was influenced rather by what random googling dorks might think (ie it must've cos surely everyone else loves the Strokes, I do, most people on IRE do, etc), it really wasn't meant as a dig at you SC yrself, just you as representative of ILM thinking. Etc would've done just as well (and has before). I think ILM could do better than to jar googlers/whoevers out of their culturally assumed apathy w/shocking declarations of love for the Strokes, y'know? I think that's ACCEPTED BY NOW AND TAKEN AS READ, or should be. Where do we all go now? Cos I've been vvvv infl by ILM type whatever thinking, and I'm glad, but there're elements of it which seem way too fucking "oh look at us, we like THIS and not THAT, other people're all hung up on THAT!". I suppose we just rank our new favoured people. Maybe we live in a postpresidingfigurehead utopia? Mad Mike's still better than DJ Rolando tho.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Oh fuck mainly (as I guess Di saw, that or she sees me as a GIANT JOKE) this whole thing was a dumb sarcastic joke cos I was in a dumb sarcastic jokey mood, and really listening to "The Blueprint" helped me along an awful lot. That "too goodlooking to like music" type comment was like the reactionary indiekid point of view, y'know? I don't care if I offend yr sensibility, but I'd feel bad if you thought I really thought UNDERNEATH that you don't care about music. I do know you better than that. I am baffled as to why nothing of TV's has appealed to you on the same level as the Strokes, tbh. I had to fight past my "oh man what amazing guitarpop" instincts wrt a few songs to grapple w/and adore the extended jams, I spose we are different. I really do so strongly I could break a bridge w/my little finger recommend "The Blow Up", if yr interested in still trying. All 4 guys=, no Tom being a dick (he still sings tho), 2 minute poprock w/punk speed and long songs w/riffs and solos and BANDNESS so strong and alive you'll wish heaven was like it, etc. It's good. HAVE you heard it? Plainly, sorry if I offended you unduly.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

Mainly, even. Don't be creeped out, I'm not into you.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

Haha. I understand your concern and empathize with it. I have my own personal righteous canon, but I would never hope that others would share it. That said, Ned does agree that "Soon" is the greatest song ever recorded (but we disagree on many other things - especially the Strokes!), and that's how I came to Freaky Trigger and ILM. And that realization, that someone else who I think is really smart and unique could have the same exact opinion, was really freeing and I suppose ILM makes me feel like I can say anything and that someone will agree. Maybe that's at the expense of a properly weighted music narrative. I certainly become very irritated by the apparent flippancy of certain posts/posters; but I have to acknowledge that in their mind at that moment, that is their absolute taste and they have every right to it.

I was also thinking today that I'm sure someone in 1977 thought that Television were better than the VU and I'm sure that someone else also took offense at that or thought that they were symptomatic of a particular kind of nu-crit. I'm also sure that both of those people eventually realized that a deep and shared love of music unites them in a profound way. This is something I have to remind myself when someone coming from a very different place/perspective (much more different than you and me, I think) has a take on some song or act that makes my blood boil.

(finished that while you were posting)

You did not offend me at all and I will listen to "The Blow Up" straight away!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit that was quick. I may have something to say later but for now; as I've said before I'll take either Strokes album over 'Loveless'. I imagine that is SICKENINGLY sick to you or Ned but yeah, I have these dreams of an OBJECTIVE CANON! Oh someone just came home

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

i think "soon" is actually my least favorite song on loveless!

i didn't get television until i finally heard "little johnny jewel," which is awesome. i think they're better than the strokes, but i have plenty of contrary opinions that make up for it (none of which come to mind right now...um, maybe i'm getting boring and canonical in my old age!).

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, The Blow-Up, it's really fucking good. I like the Strokes better than Loveless too. I never found the Strokes to be particularly reminiscent of Television, y'know - I don't think they have any of the sense of nervous tension that kinda characterises Television (from having an obsessive control freak as a frontman, I'd say). Spencer have you heard many/any of Tom Verlaine's solo recs? Not that they're any more Strokes-esque (less so in the way I already mentioned) but some of it's really good.

― Livvie (Livvie), Thursday, 1 September 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

They sound like the Cars, blah blah

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

They sound a bit like the Modern Lovers, and thus and ONLY thus a little like the VU songs that sound a bit like the Modern Lovers. At no point have they sounded like Television, really. Any more than they've sounded like anyone w/a couple of guitars, anyway.

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

goodshirt sound exactly like the cars. but not as good.

― chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah! And the Strokes sound like them but (so far) better (mostly, I'm not dissing the mighty Cars believe you me)

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

good times roll / my best friend's girl / just what i needed

best debut opening segue of all time? i guess the most obvious competition comes from the ramones (blitzkreig bop / beat on the brat / judy is a punk) and VU (sunday morning / waiting for my man / femme fatale)...

― chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

Basement Jaxx! (Rendez-Vu / Yo-Yo / Jump'N'Shout)

― etc, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

Hot Stuff / Bad Girls / Love Will Always Find You

Maybe let down by the last one a bit, but easily made up for by a stong opening pair.

― Minty (Minty), Saturday, 10 September 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

like a rolling stone/tombstone blues/it takes a lot to laugh

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 10 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

I don't think "Bad Girls" and "Love Will Always Find You" are anywhere near the strongest songs on that record, but "Hot Stuff" is in for one of the best opening songs ever, sure.

― Livvie (Livvie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

WTF THIS THREAD?????

― gershy, Sunday, 13 January 2008 22:24 (eighteen years ago)

bump

― chaki, Sunday, 13 January 2008 22:33 (eighteen years ago)


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