I'm more focused on guitar than drums these days, but I definitely learn and master things more easily and quickly now with youtube than I did in my teens/20s. I spent so much time flailing around trying to figure out how to do things. I don't think I wasted it per se, because I think I learned a lot from all that flailing, it just wasn't necessarily an efficient or effective way to learn when I wanted to develop specific skills/sounds/techniques.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 22:37 (one year ago) link
Anyway there are guys that do that hyper-subdividing thing really interestingly and well. I mean I like Chris Dave, but he also grooves so hard. And I've been really into this guy Steve Lyman for a while now, and he definitely does that, but he also has a really poetic flow and it seems purposeful.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link
there's a fine line between doing that in an interesting way and being the @zachgrooves "diarrhea of the hands" guy
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link
I was just watching Steve Lyman, he's great. I think that's a huge disservice to ZackGrooves though! He can do the gospel chops thing but he knows what it is, and if anything he downplays it. Out of anyone he can play that intricate linear stuff with such pocket and conviction, and can also be a very tasteful jazz drummer. Idk, I've found his videos to be really inspirational and I bet he's only minutes away from getting some legit gigs.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 2 June 2022 16:17 (one year ago) link
Matteo Mancuso is a guitar version of these young ninja players. That dude's got some crazy unique picking technique that even has guys like Al DiMeola and Steve Vai going how the f' do you do that? And going by some videos, he kinda had most of the mechanical part down as a teenager.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Friday, 3 June 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link
Mike Mitchell is entirely too much, man. Just raising the bar so high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uri8hvC4Ddo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWHe71VAvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDcFEmz0E
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Can't remember when I last heard someone hit so cleanly and precisely, it's like the hovering of some enormous insect. His rhythmic language is an order of magnitude more complex than I can process, but it's fun to try to keep up ...
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 23 June 2022 01:42 (one year ago) link
Right?! I try to at least pick out one tiny little thing that I can understand & use.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrmrlTtd3s
another one of those rad "drummer plays a song after hearing it once" drumeo videos with todd sucherman from styx playing foo fighters "rope." i instantly fell in love with this guy's playing, so much energy yet so fluid
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 7 November 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I've never listened to Styx but I've seen some of his other videos and he's ridiculous.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 November 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link
Subtle, tasty chops and communication courtesy of the youtube algorithm
Dan Weiss & Ari Hoenig duet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sumZqkZPvto
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl4E7lfE9EA
ilan rubin playing "the perfect drug"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link
Love to see a lefty on a righty kit, he's killing it
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
Mike Bordin from Faith No More always had an unusual setup. He's left-handed, and plays left-handed, and the drum set is set up for a righty, with the exception of the China and the ride, which are on the left.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link
Yep that's the standard open-handed setup (see also Billy Cobham, Louis Cole, etc).
I'm a weirdo in that I'm a lefty that fully learned to play right-handed, but I more recently taught myself to play certain grooves with fast hi-hat parts left hand-lead. My independence isn't as good so I have to be careful about what I play that way though, which is annoying. And my right hand has come a long way, but will probably never be as naturally good as my left. Wish one of my teachers would have started me off open-handed!
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
i am left handedstarted drumming lateplay in trad right hand style because it was easier to learn by myselfpersonal fave lefty drummer: Hamish Kilgour (RIP)
yes i am still at it!!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 December 2022 00:24 (one year ago) link
Hell yeah! Btw I've never heard the Clean, what's a good starting point?
I was reminded today that Questlove is one of the few drummers our same situation (left-handed, but learned and plays righty). And his right hand is not slacking at all so I really have no excuse.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 December 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link
as far as the Clean stuff I like most, I would watch this live performance -- the camera zooms in on the drums and you can see the crowd is feeling it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMaZe_aIIfg
Anthology is as good a place to start as any imo.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 14 December 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link
xpost Ringo is a lefty who learned and plays righty.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 December 2022 19:03 (one year ago) link
Oh right! And he has beautiful technique, from the bit of the Get Back doc that I was able to see.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 December 2022 20:42 (one year ago) link
TIL that Stewart Copeland is also a lefty who plays righty!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 December 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link
Nate Smith on the two piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oin8V3iVCv8
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 30 December 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
Happy that ZackGrooves is hitting the drum youtube bigtime. Although based on the tracks he's playing from his album, I also hope that at some point he makes a record that I want to listen to without video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmh_oVykeyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJQKKdJZeyg
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 March 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywazRYgsbis
fucking finally: a decent drum cover of our lady peace's cancon classic "automatic flowers" on youtube. i'm gonna learn this crazy thing
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 June 2023 18:14 (eleven months ago) link
bumping this thread even though my question is not about sick chops, sorry
anyone read this?
https://circularscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Drum-tuning-bible.pdf
anyone have another fave resource?
― i really like that!! (z_tbd), Wednesday, 30 August 2023 16:11 (eight months ago) link
Holy shit I just got introduced to that anonymous drummer that goes by Delta Empire. Chops so sick people are convinced they're a pro having fun. Mostly metal/hard rock/industrial, super technical, but sometimes fun, too. So on one hand you get stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_dlCC47WxQ
But sometimes you get this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5_f2WcAz74
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2023 19:50 (seven months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMBRjo33cUE
i know i'm ilm's resident chad smith defender but this video is so fucking good, he just locks right into it
― ivy., Wednesday, 4 October 2023 18:38 (seven months ago) link
As much as I often hate what RHCP adds up to, yeah he's got great technique, huge sound, tons of little nuances to his playing. I often think the video of their Rock & Roll HoF performance with other former RHCP drummers -- it's one thing to see him on his own, but in comparison he's such a powerhouse.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 18:55 (seven months ago) link
Also check his Dua Lipa play through. Total charmer, that Chad Smith.
― Yelploaf, Wednesday, 4 October 2023 22:36 (seven months ago) link
i know i'm ilm's resident chad smith defender― ivy., Wednesday, October 4, 2023 2:38 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ivy., Wednesday, October 4, 2023 2:38 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
You will never take my crown
― kirsten gilla band (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 4 October 2023 23:42 (seven months ago) link
<3
― ivy., Thursday, 5 October 2023 00:53 (seven months ago) link
thx for sharing that ivy - love those drumeo vids
― c u (crüt), Thursday, 5 October 2023 16:04 (seven months ago) link
hate the drumeo channel and the losers who run it
― budo jeru, Sunday, 22 October 2023 22:13 (six months ago) link
ok! i have found them really helpful as someone who is mostly self-taught. they just did a "guess a drummer from their isolated drumtrack" thing and it was sooo fun
― ivy., Monday, 23 October 2023 02:22 (six months ago) link
― The Chronic Argo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 October 2023 02:58 (six months ago) link
These Chad Smith videos were awesome, made my day, thanks. I tend to agree with Jordan, although I might have said Flea was the only one I’ll really take, at least until today.
― The Chronic Argo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 October 2023 03:00 (six months ago) link
other drummers probably disagree but anytime I can play 4 on the floor I am doing that, it is the best thing to do with a bass drum
― Florin Cuchares, Monday, 23 October 2023 03:04 (six months ago) link
Ugh this guy is ridiculous. I've seen his videos but it's actually more impressive when he breaks it down. Nothing more humbling that keeping a simple ostinato going with the feet, see how much of your shit you can play then!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STE5ro6w2FU
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:16 (five months ago) link
Sam isolated "Obstacle 1" snip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4yIuBpqE-Y
Always liked the syncopated 16th note bass drum fills (~14s-->), straight out of Bonham's "Kashmir" breakdown.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:56 (five months ago) link
Jimmy Chamberlin crushing some straight ahead https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0m6FKFuIVy/
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 December 2023 02:54 (four months ago) link
That was awesome, thanks!
― The Glittering Worldbuilders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 December 2023 22:10 (four months ago) link
Smoke from Rare Essence going off on the congas
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35hCiBM70Y/?igsh=MWJ1ZGkzbWJpOGM4eQ==
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 February 2024 21:06 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8unEVgBji0
Walter Perkins playing the melody on a bendy ride cymbal @ 3:55
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2024 02:51 (one month ago) link
incredible
that's some of the earliest extended technique i've come across (but I'm no expert)
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:47 (three weeks ago) link
I guess it depends how you define that. Papa Jo Jones used to play with his hands and fingers and alter the drum pitch by pressing the head.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:14 (three weeks ago) link
Only tangentially related but last week Greg saunier ended the deerhoof set by playing with his hands for the last 5 minutes or so. It looked very painful - he was thwapping the crap out of the kit
― z_tbd, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:33 (three weeks ago) link
If I had to guess, what we call extended technique today is probably as old as the original vaudeville trap kits.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:04 (three weeks ago) link
Yeah agreed, it was just deployed in more of a show biz entertainment capacity rather than serious free music sounds. Watching the likes of Papa Jo Jones & Sonny Payne it feels very playful and not beholden to the conventions of the drum kit (which is a truly ridiculous instrument anyway).
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:25 (three weeks ago) link
One of the purposes of the drum kit was to do live sound fx, so that called for all kinds of stuff beyond what we think of as standard playing today
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:39 (three weeks ago) link