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Cheers Jon. With the Fanny Hensel book, I was lucky to stumble across it in the city library among the rock biogs. Which just proves she 'rocks', or "she's the dope", or however the young people are expressing admiration nowadays.
Leafing through to try and find the bit where Todd writes the academic equivalent of "Fanny > Felix lol"... uh, I couldn't find it. Instead here's some sibling squabbling, which is also quite enlightening:
"Writing to Felix, Fanny observed that her brother had successfully worked his way through Beethoven's late style and 'progressed beyond it [...] my lengthy things die in their youth of decrepitude; I lack the ability to sustain ideas properly and give them the needed consistency.'
[...] Matters indeed came to a head in the fall of 1834 when she completed between August 23 and October 23 one of her most ambitious works, the String Quartet in E-Flat Major (H-U 277). This was the composition, as we shall see, that prompted Felix to write a critique in January 1835, to which Fanny replied with the self-deprecating comments cited above.
[...] [The first three movements] use tonality in an expressive way that further separates her from the eighteenth-century traditions in which [Carl Friedrich] Zelter had trained her and Felix. She deemphasizes the keys of the three movements so that the tonal hierarchy rests more on harmonic associations and implications than on conventional, dominant-to-tonic cadential gestures.
[...] Felix praised the tonal swaying ('Wanken' lol) between E-flat major and C minor at the outset of the quartet as 'schön', but the subsequent persistent appearance of F minor in the first movement and some tonal ambiguities in the second and third convinced him that Fanny had mistakenly embraced a mannerism ('Mannier'). For Felix, tonal clarity was an imperative, and form enhanced that clarity. 'Don't consider me a Philistine,' he insisted; 'I am not, and believe I am right in having more respect than before for form and proper craft, or however one calls the trade terms. Just send me soon something nice, for otherwise I'll think you have struck me dead as a critic.'
What Fanny sent in her next letter was a healthy dose of her own criticism, though not, she assured him, 'a tit-for-tat action'."
(from pp178-186 of Fanny Hensel. Full disclosure, I dunno what all the words mean, but quoted for truthiness)
The quartet, in all its controversy(!), is at https://youtu.be/biWrI7O0s1U
On a related topic, thinking about shifts in reputation over time: have many obscure older composers gained traction in the past 30-50 years? Which ones do you think?
Don't make me challops this thread in order to create a semblance of "debate". Well, you leave me no choice. Here are some Comp-Rep Facts which are literally undebateable:
1. Nobody had heard of Haydn, Telemann, Vivaldi, Scarlatti, Rameau, or Mozart until the 1985 Britannica encyclopedia came out (see table on page 8 of the PDF)
2. The Three B's are all no longer alive. Also Beethoven wrote Peanuts
3. Elizabeth Lutyens, Arthur Bliss, William Walton and Humphrey Searle have totally sold out
4. Nicolai Yakovlevich Myaskovsky and Josquin des Prez used to be bigger than Jesus
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― sbahnhof, Saturday, 23 April 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link
Wow, "Lost Boy" is really boring. And it's so long. I guess she was praying we would all get younger while listening to it. Billboard has wrongly called it "The Strangest Hit Song On The Please Click This".
HOWEVER, there are mitigating factors:
1. At least there's no ukuleles
2. I had just listened to "Fucked Over", which is some true no 1 contender shit
Is it a kind of "Hotline Bling" rip-off, or is there an entire genre that just sounds like "Fucked Over"?
Nice as it is to hear an inferior version of "HighClass Bling" mixed with Baby Dic, but what you get is actually very annoying, sadly. (Oh wait, there may be a bit of Eamon's "Fuck It" in the mix too.)
― sbahnhof, Sunday, 24 April 2016 08:18 (eight years ago) link
two months pass...
two weeks pass...
two weeks pass...