Holy shit this movie.
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
yh srsly
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
The whole thing is one heartbreak after another as JMs mind dissolves. Even the nominally happy ending is harsh in how this episode has broken the family and will have ramifications for generations.
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:38 (nine years ago) link
wish hollywood came out with stuff this tonally daring, this jawdropping in the present day
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:39 (nine years ago) link
present-day rep theater audiences laugh at this movie, so there's yr answer
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
Want it kinda a flop at the time tho?
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
And why is it laughed at now? Is it considered too earnest, too heavy handed, what? I'm not a film critic/cinephile and maybe I'm a simpleton but I found it immensely powerful (just finished watching it tho so maybe I'll be less impressed once it sinks in)
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link
we laugh at what we do not fully comprehend. james mason going literally insane elicits nervous giggling because hey - this isn't supposed to happen, right - what even is this happening - it isn't really happening. modern audiences unable to countenance such audacious character development
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link
idk i'm being v trenchant there
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
a certain smug sector at NYC rep houses laughs at everything made before 1975
― this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
few Ray films were massive hits in their day (Rebel Without a Cause and, ah, King of Kings exceptions), so contemporary audiences had trouble with their sudden tonal shifts too
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Xp The not supposed to happen factor, that respectable professional family men are meant to hold their shit together, and the impossibility of that facade and the dissonance it creates, that's kinda the lynchpin of the movie for me. The impossibility and damage of the patriarchy and the powerlessness of all those involved, including the patrician, piles up on top of each other until all that's left is a fantasy of a happy ending. Cortisone is almost a macguffin.
Myopic smugness is never a good look. Bad show NYC.
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:36 (nine years ago) link
seen any Sirk films? You'll like him too.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
No, not at all. And this is my first ray so I'm up for seeing more of him. What would you recommend?
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
All That Heaven Allows, touching on similar themes, and Imitation of Life. Hell, watch'em all!
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:43 (nine years ago) link
Thanks, I'll check em out.
― DISMISSED AS CHANCE (NotEnough), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
Wondering when it will be time to watch this again.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 September 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
this was as breathless and hysterical as Fuller's Shock Corridor, but I liked it more
― Dan S, Sunday, 5 September 2021 01:49 (two years ago) link
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 November 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link
Trout Fishing in America.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 24 November 2022 23:47 (one year ago) link
“Can you tell me one thing that was said or done by anyone here tonight that was funny, startling, imaginative?”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 00:13 (one year ago) link
Music by David Raksin!
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 00:17 (one year ago) link
“Third string sub to hero in twenty seconds. Real last minute stuff!”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
Barbara Rush was married to Jeffrey Hunter for five years.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 00:54 (one year ago) link
Marilyn Monroe was supposed to have a cameo but she got nervous and they couldn’t get a good take so they gave up on the idea.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 01:08 (one year ago) link
Cool retro graphic around minute 26 of a timeline of PAIN vs. CORTISONE levels.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 01:30 (one year ago) link
“Hand me the yogurt, the black strap molasses and the brewer’s yeast.”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 01:41 (one year ago) link
Apparently a reference tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OGcLluydc
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 01:45 (one year ago) link
One of Walter Matthau’s earliest film roles, if not his debut.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 01:58 (one year ago) link
“Oh Ed, this is so expensive. I buy my things at Madame A’s frock shop.”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 02:03 (one year ago) link
“Oh, I’ve used up all the hot water. That half-pint heater really has to be babied.”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link
Great movie
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 25 November 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link
I just read something that said James Mason, who also produced, had originally wanted a more documentary-like treatment and felt that what was done sensationalized and cheapened the material. He also felt his accent wasn’t right. On the other hand, even though he, like pretty much every one else who had crossed paths with Nicholas Ray, thought the director was difficult, he also thought he was a great talent and considered working with him again.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:07 (one year ago) link
“One more kettle will do.”“You’re not in the hospital now!”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:25 (one year ago) link
At some point early on the studio wanted Richard Widmark in the lead(!)
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:39 (one year ago) link
Actor who played the son, Christopher Olsen, was also Doris Day’s son in The Man Who Knew Too Much.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:46 (one year ago) link
“Every year, whole forests are cut down to supply the paper for these grotesque daubs. And we coo over them as though they were Van Goghs…or Rembrandts.”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link
Widmark would've pulled it off imo
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Friday, 25 November 2022 03:59 (one year ago) link
Yeah, probably:
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:12 (one year ago) link
Still, I love Mason’s performance in this.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:13 (one year ago) link
“And furthermore, this isn’t the first time you’ve gone out your way to annoy me with your jingle-jangle in, jingle-jangle out. Why do you do it?”
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:15 (one year ago) link
There’s some kind of pomposity that Mason is able to portray like nobody else.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:20 (one year ago) link
It was all just a kooky, Cortisone-induced dream!
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:50 (one year ago) link
A HANDFUL OF HOPE THAT BECAME A FISTFUL OF HELL!
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 04:53 (one year ago) link
lol @ Mason thinking Ray was the director for a documentarian's approach
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 November 2022 10:33 (one year ago) link
Yes, exactly.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 10:40 (one year ago) link
And, yeah, Widmark could've pulled it off. James Stewart too.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 November 2022 10:43 (one year ago) link
I’m getting most of this stuff from Patrick McGilligan’s Nicholas Ray bio. Not sure what else is out there. Also learned a tiny bit about the cinematographer, who I hadn’t been aware of before but has worked on some well-known pictures that I like.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 10:49 (one year ago) link
Joseph MacDonald: My Darling Clementine, Viva Zapata!, Niagara, Broken Lance.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:00 (one year ago) link
Pickup on South Street too!
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:01 (one year ago) link
Guess we're the only ones up early after a few hours' sleep.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:01 (one year ago) link
Yes. Exactly.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:05 (one year ago) link
Hope I don’t have a psychotic break due to the sleep deprivation like you-know-who in the movie.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:06 (one year ago) link
People in the UK watching the World Cup but brain can’t quite do it this early.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:07 (one year ago) link
Maybe will take a break from this thread for a bit to catch a few more winks but also want to mention that there was a Clifford Odets involvement in this film that needs to be discussed.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 November 2022 11:08 (one year ago) link