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How about the Top 10 WORST movies you've ever seen? Or, hell, forget the whole 10 thing, just the worst of the worst. Personally, for me to call a movie truly horrible it would have to be morally offensive, and thankfully I've not seen anything like that yet, but two movies I'd file under "whoever thought this was a good idea should be hung" are The Sweetest Thing and Billy Madison.

Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 19 July 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

well I've seen so many bad ones this is really impossible but the sweetest thing would definitely go on

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 19 July 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

& billy madison would definitely not

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 19 July 2003 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Movies I've Hated With A Passion:

Signs
Hannibal
Forrest Gump

Those are the only ones that come to mind. I can deal with bad movies, it's movies that are just mediocre in every sense of the word that get me.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 19 July 2003 01:50 (twenty-two years ago)

My picks:

-Fight Club
-Pearl Harbor
-Patch Adams
-American History X
-Signs
-Forrest Gump
-Pay It Forward
-Star Wars, Episodes I and II
-The Green Mile/The Majestic
-Mallrats
-The Hours
-Black Hawk Down
-Simon Birch
-Dead Poets Society
-Braveheart
-The Matrix
-Rocky

Josh Timmermann (Josh Timmermann), Saturday, 19 July 2003 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

some possiblities:

desert blue
dogma
b. monkey
jawbreaker
falling sky
salo...
my life's in turnaround
riding in cars with boys
happy accidents
mala noche
house of yes
tigerland
the impostors

ron (ron), Saturday, 19 July 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked Dogma and Tigerland. Jawbreaker gets saved by the Imperial Teen video.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 19 July 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I definitely agree with Pearl Harbor and Episode 2, but why do so many people hate Signs? I didn't like it at first either, but after seeing it a couple times it grew on me. It reminds me of a good Twilight Zone episode.

Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

And c'mon, Billy Madison sucks ass. I don't think I need to elaborate, but I will if I must.

Anthony (Anthony F), Saturday, 19 July 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a difficult time pinpointing my hatred of Signs. I think it was the bashing-me-over-the-head with religion stuff, and the self-importance. I have the same reaction to the book version of [i]Lord of the Flies[/i]. Setting out to be "important" and "deep" and "symbolic" kills me.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 19 July 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The Blair Witch Project

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 20 July 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

There's so much to hate about Signs but I must admit the suspense sequences are really really well-done & scary, which is rare.

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

what a stinker that ending was though

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Magnolia" made me hate Paul Thomas ("call me 'P.T.'") Anderson. I have gone on rants that rank with those of Hitler during his final days in the bunker about what a pretentious load of bung this movie is, so for my own mental health I will not delve too deeply here. Total wankfest. With Old Testament.

Brad the Impaler, Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I hated the BWP the first time I saw it - expecting to be scared to death - but don't mind it so much now. The ending is excellent (compared to the rest).

I even liked the BWP sequel, though I was the only one apparently.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 20 July 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I tend to only go and see films I will like.

great filmgoing mistakes I have made:

Planet Of The Apes (the Tim Burton one; truly an awful film)

Attack of the Clones

some Andy Warhol film in which Edie Sedgwick plays with her food for five hours

Firsht Knight (admittedly I went to it knowing it would be shite)

The Rock

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 20 July 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate to say it cuz most people will probably be after my head for saying so, but I really hated Lord of the Rings. I probably would have liked it more if it hadn't been trumpeted as some kind of incredible masterpiece, which got my hopes up incredibly high. Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I was intrigued by the movie for maybe the first 15 mins or so which consisted of oohs and ahhs at the cool special effects, but once that wore off and I realized that I wasn't going to see anything original or exciting in terms of story or characters, I got painfully bored. I didn't even stick around for the last half hour, which apparently is some big amazing battle. Frankly, I had had enough by then.

Anthony (Anthony F), Sunday, 20 July 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Erm, are you sure these truly are the worst films you've ever seen? Because a lot of them seem like easy targets (Magnolia, Fight Club, Signs etc). I mean, even if you hate one aspect of the film (the script, for example), you can still give credit to others (acting, editing, special effects etc). Signs is a good example: I hated that religious mumbo jumbo too, but no way is it the worst film I've ever seen, because it was directed well, it had good actors and some touching scenes as well. For me, the worst films are those which have no redeeming values at all, and they don't fall into the "so-bad-it's-funny" category either. Anyhow, here's my list:

Best of the Best II
*There's nothing worse than a badly made proto-Fascist fight flick.

Police Academy 6
*Each of the Police Academy flicks is worse than the previous one, so Police Academy 7 would probably be even crappier than this one. Episode 6, however, is where I drew the line, and I was only ten back then.

Bio-Dome
*This flick tries to be a funny "dude" movie in the vein of Bill & Ted and Wayne & Garth, but it fails horribly. There's nothing worse than a bad teen comedy, and Bio-Dome doesn't even have the typical dirty jokes which would give the film at least some redeeming value.

Cobra
*Crime is the Disease. Stallone is the Cure. Need I say more?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 21 July 2003 07:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Some bad ones:

Animal House – Shitty, juvenile, mindless, and ultimately hugely depressing.

Cabin Fever – just watched this at a screening the other day. This film was made in the wrong decade – one of the worst pieces of schlock slasher teen shit I’ve ever had the misfortune to sit through. I’m not in the habit of walking out of films but this is the closest I’ve come yet. If anyone has not seen this movie I would urge them to see it, just in order to reacquaint themselves with the depths to which the film industry is capable of plunging. Truly utterly pitifully dreadful.

Star Wars, Episode I – So bad it made Episode II look passable.

Alex K (Alex K), Monday, 21 July 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

There are some movies that just go without saying, something like Bio-Dome, for example, I wouldn't even think of mentioning. Movies like that are something beyond bad, they belong in a category by themselves. I don't even know if they can be considered movies. When I think of bad movies, I think of ones that actually made an attempt at being good and just failed miserably. Now, while I love Magnolia, like Signs a lot, and don't think Fight Club is a complete disaster, I can understand why maybe some people would consider them failures.
But, yeah, I see what you mean. Maybe some of these movies shouldn't be considered the absolute worst. No matter how bad someone hates Fight Club, I think if you compare it to something like Bio-Dome, you'll be reasonable.

Anthony (Anthony F), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, I can't believe I forgot to mention, I saw something the other day that truly ranks up there with the worst of the worst. It's called The Bogus Witch Project, it's a compilation of various independently-made Blair Witch spoofs bridged together by various little short sequences starring everyone's favorite (cough, cough) Pauly Shore.

Now it's pretty much a given that anything Pauly Shore is in is gonna suck ass, but what surprised me was how truly awful the Blair Witch spoofs were. I usually turn to independent film for a break from the usual crap that Hollywood churns out every week, but man, whoever these people were, let's hope they stay independent forever.

I urge everyone to go to the nearest video rental place and pick up a copy of this, just to see how bad Bad can be. I thought maybe this movie would have the quality of being So Bad it's Good, but no, this is truly terrible stuff. It actually makes Scary Movie look like a masterpiece.

Anthony (Anthony F), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

'the vigil'

ron (ron), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

take that back about Animal House Alex K!

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought about this long and hard, and the most irredeemably bad movies I've had the misfortune to see are, I think, in alpha order:

Alice in Wonderland (the 1976 "X-rated" version, brought over my a friend in college for a "laugh")
Battlefield Earth (the only serious defense of this film I've read stated that it was a live-action equivalent of manga. hm, well, i dislike manga anyway.)
Beatrice (the worst kind of arthouse crap, like 100 Miramax previews strung together)
Farewell America (deadening Stalinist propaganda; this is primary evidence of the damage that system did to its finest artists)
Missisippi Burning (Alan Parker is the worst high-profile director on Earth, and this is his most putrid and offensive movie)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (I know it's passe to put such exploitation fare on such a list, but this film fails even by the debased standards of the genre)
Pocketful of Miracles (totally half-assed late Capra film; Bette Davis is notably awful. one of the most sexist films ever made, above and beyond the Hollywood norm. the only "classic" on this list.)
September (see "beatrice"--american style)
She's Having a Baby (combines every grotesque aspect of 1980s comedy into one foul, utterly complacent brew; when I saw this at age 11, I felt victimized)
Stepmom (feel-good death porn courtesy Chris Columbus)

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That last is actually death soft-core porn. And I should note that "Farewell America" was directed by Alexandr Dovzhenko.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

1/titanic
2/top gun
3/whatever that mel gibson vehicle was where he took ww2 nazi atrocities and pretended the british carried them out in the american war ov independence
4/bill and ted's bogus journey
5/the doors
6/any film pheaturing val kilmer
7/any film pheaturing demi moore


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Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Doors" almost made my list, but it has a few redeeming virtues.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Goodfellas and Casino

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

6/any film pheaturing val kilmer
7/any film pheaturing demi moore

So are you saying that Deconstructing Harry and Top Secret are among the worst films ever made?

I think it's questionable to nominate "any film featuring X", because even bad actors may have appeared in good films.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 08:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Lost Boys
Solar Babies
Naked Lunch

thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably yer right tuomas, but man, val kilmer is so terrible!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 24 July 2003 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Scarface -- the men were not womanly enough.
10 Things I hate about you -- embarassing to Alison Janney.
Very Bad Things -- you'd think a film where Xtian Slater gets mercilessly beaten would be interesting.

Leee (Leee), Thursday, 24 July 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't believe no one has mentioned the most offensive and juvenile of them all, "3000 Miles to Graceland". Or maybe no one saw it...hmmm.

Also:

1900 - Unwatchable, simplistic, terribly acted, embarrassing to all parties involved. The most excruciating movie-watching experience I've ever had.

ham on rye (ham on rye), Sunday, 27 July 2003 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I try to avoid films that are likely to be bad (e.g. most Disney movies, movies starring singers, pop stars, unfunny comedians, most remakes and adaptations) so I'm sure these aren't the worst ever made. In no particular order, the worst I can recall seeing include:

Waterworld
Profoundly stupid, witless writing, bad acting, queasy set design.

Matrix Reloaded
Bad writing, dull senseless "action," characters designed as product tie ins (e.g. the albino dread lock twins), delusions of grandeur, new-age pseudo-intellectualism at its worst. Part of the freeway chase scene is well done, and the suggestion that Keanu is a program is sort of cool...but neither is enough to save this bloated piece of crap.

Nukie
At first you think its going to be "so bad its good" perhaps inspiring audience participation (e.g. Glitter or Hercules In New York), or time-specific camp (e.g. Mallrats). Then you realize its made up of about three different shots shown over and over again (a la Teletubbies) with increasingly stilted and nonsensical writing. I challenge you to finish the movie in one sitting.

The Time Machine (the recent remake).
While not a total disaster, the acting and writing made me cringe (Guy is by no means infallible).

The Phantom Menace
CGI + Jar-Jar

Shallow Hal
What's not to hate about this movie?

Battlefield Earth
Another one I watched thinking it would be "so bad its good." Nope.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Sunday, 27 July 2003 22:39 (twenty-two years ago)

First of all, "Legends of the Fall" was the worst movie of all time because it was 9 hours long and Anthony Hopkins does a "fifth-grader" impression of someone with a stroke. Second, Keanu Reeves is easily the WORST ACTOR OF ALL TIME.(What the hell was that "shoot the hostage" thing all about in the movie "Speed"?) You might argue that the "Coreys" (Haim/Feldman) were the worst actors but I would argue that they never actually attempted acting. They were just filmed with actors on a movie set. They never actually participated in the acting.

"Raw Deal" (starring Arnold Schwarnegger as a mobster!) was the kind of movie that was so bad, that it crosses over to become an entertaining movie.

I cannot comprehend (unless you are a communist or a martian) how someone could think that Rocky, Goodfellas, Casino, Animal House, or Forrest Gump (although it ended with a whimper) were bad movies.

Just in case I didn't make myself clear, KEANU REEVES IS THE WORST ACTOR (he's the anti-actor) OF ALL TIME.

theexpert, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)

do you like the Eagles?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

C'mon. What about 'The Hitcher'? That has got to rate. Terrible, terrible 80s movie with Rutger Hauer. Or what about 'Body Double'?

prue, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

BODY DOUBLE ARE YOU NUTS

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

THE HITCHER'S GREAT!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

8mm
Four Rooms
Garage Days
The Rules Of Attraction


I'd like to say The Whole Nine Yards, but I haven't actually seen it...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Joel Schumacher to thread. Yeeeuch!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

four rooms was pretty bad. great idea - the thread tying the stories together is the most annoying person on the planet!

ron (ron), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What about poncey stuff like The Loss of Sexual Innocence and any of Figgis's other experiments in failure?

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to be honest -- I watched LOSI twice and actually liked it, on some subterranean level anyhow.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Cocktail

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 31 July 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Unbreakable was the most boring, uninspired pile of wank I ever did see.

Dog Latin, Thursday, 31 July 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

is cocktail that one set at a party and eric stolz is in it?

ron (ron), Thursday, 31 July 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Worst movie I've ever seen: Camoflauge. It starred Leslie Nielsen. I begged my friends not to rent it. Anybody seen it?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 31 July 2003 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Joel Schumacher to thread. Yeeeuch!

Nordicskillz, have you seen "Flawless"? It's great. Not flawless, but still a very decent film, and it has excellent performances by Philip Seymour Hoffman and Robert de Niro.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 31 July 2003 08:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Jean-Luc Godard's "King Lear"

weatheringdaleson (weatheringdaleson), Sunday, 3 August 2003 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Short Cuts by Robert Altman; Pret a porter is "worse" in every way, of course, but that film is so obvioulsy bad it's not worth talking about. Short Cuts is an offense to Raymond Carver - Altman has made many many bad films.

The Usual Suspects - and your point is...?

American Beauty - Spacey usually makes me want to throw up but hes at his worst in this piece of Crap.

The Commitments - don't you just Love the old oirish craic?.... no, actually, i don't.

jed-e-3, Monday, 11 August 2003 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of mine:

Shrek
Patch Adams
Mouse Hunt
Poccahontas
The search for one eyed Jimmy
Bug Busters
SFW
A Man Apart (I really hate Gary Grey's directing, but the Italian Job was okay.)
Wag the Dog
The Spanish Prisoner
( I think everything Memet did is just awful, except I did love Ronin)

There may be some others that were so bad that I tried to totally erase from my memory.

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, I forgot one of my least favorites:

Armageddon

A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 15 August 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

SHREK! yes! at last!

its crapola!

jed-e-3, Saturday, 16 August 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, I have no Idea why Shrek is #114 of the top 250 at IMDB. That's just messed up. Maybe I should rate it poorly.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 16 August 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Baise-Moi
The Matrix Reloaded
Phone Booth
Late-Night Shopping

David Steans, Saturday, 16 August 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Scary Movie.

David Steans, Saturday, 16 August 2003 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I hated hedwig and the angry inch.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 18 August 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Mallrats: Kevin Smith fucking sucks! This film is pure garbage that should be erased from collective human conciousness!


Cub, Friday, 22 August 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

C'mon... 3 nipples, and Stan Lee.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 25 August 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

But those are reasons why Mallrats was awful.

Leee (Leee), Monday, 25 August 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

All of these are so bad they're fascinating and probably worth renting.

North (worst big budget movie ever. The only funny part of the film is Elijah Wood playing Tevye in Fiddler On The Roof. Literally every scene in the film after it is highly offensive and valueless.)

Identity Crisis (worst low budget movie ever - you could probably find ones that are more inept and lethargic, but like North, Identity Crisis puts a lot of visible EFFORT into sucking)

Battlefield Earth (the original cut. the video version, while horrific, is more boring than the cut that appeared in theaters. which I saw twice)

The Jackal & The Saint (ludicrous films capped with the worst examples of disguise mastery ever. I yearn to make a film which would cut to Bruce Willis walking through an airport with a funny moustache on at random moments. Arguably the Jackal is better because Jack Black gets his arm shot off in it)

Screwballs (a Porky's-inspired sex romp that was so filthy that I seriously considered joining a monastery. It made me realize I'm probably not that much of a pervert)

The Story Of Us (Bruce Willis has two good moments in the film - one involving joyous tears and the other involving Riverdance. The rest of the film is the pinnacle of cringe, esp. a shockingly non-satirical montage)

Ruby (aside from a bonkers performance by Arliss Howard, this maybe one of the most unwatchable, boring films I've ever endured. Part of what makes it impossible to sit through is that many of the characters are played more hammily in JFK. The second you see the bright red wig you think "damn, if I was watching JFK I'd get to see Joe Pesci yell about a mystery wrapped inside an engima wrapped inside a mystery and wanting to be a Catholic priest." Any film that makes me pine for the LSD-addled bullshit of Oliver Stone must truly suck)

Erin Brokovitch (while this is not one of the worst films of all time, it's easily one of the worst experiences I've had watching a film. The early scenes have some fine character development but soon the film becomes a gender-switched courtroom cliche-a-thon with Steven Sodenbergh using his skills not to create art but merely to HIDE BULLSHIT. I've rarely been so depressed watching a film progress).

Year Of The Dragon (The ENJOYABLY reprehensible part of the film involves Mickey Rourke as a psychotic, racist cop/Oliver Stone stand-in determined to win Vietnam in Chinatown. Unfortunately the lurid cartoon fantasy gets bogged down with endless, worthless drug negotiations between the Chinese mob families).

Nixon (I could note the film is indulgent, actor-wasting, cartoonish, simple-minded, obvious, ludicrous, reprehensible, misleading, endless, shameful and depraved, but Directed by Oliver Stone should cover all that. The most embarassingly obvious and artless metaphors ever, a mind-numbing determination to reaffirm reaffirm reaffirm and reaffirm again that Nixon was a worthless pathetic roach filled with hate and fear - there's only two scenes in the film Nixon doesn't appear in, and in both characters state Oliver's thesis. The Oliver Stone patented film-stock-switchin' is more artless and arbitrary than ever. Possibly the most humiliating aspect is that Oliver's final summation, given in narration by himself, appears OVER THE CREDITS, as if the film is trying to finish before he's done).

School Daze (though much less than perfect, this is not one of the worst films ever. However, the final scene may be the most painfully embarassing and corny ending NOT in an Oliver Stone or student film ever).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Battlefield Earth (the original cut. the video version, while horrific, is more boring than the cut that appeared in theaters. which I saw twice)

My condolences.

The Jackal & The Saint (ludicrous films capped with the worst examples of disguise mastery ever. I yearn to make a film which would cut to Bruce Willis walking through an airport with a funny moustache on at random moments.

*cough* Twelvemonkeys *cough* (I cough in italics? Cool.)

Erin Brokovitch (while this is not one of the worst films of all time, it's easily one of the worst experiences I've had watching a film. The early scenes have some fine character development but soon the film becomes a gender-switched courtroom cliche-a-thon with Steven Sodenbergh using his skills not to create art but merely to HIDE BULLSHIT. I've rarely been so depressed watching a film progress).

Amen! And this pretty much sums up everything of Soderbergh post-Limey.

Year Of The Dragon (The ENJOYABLY reprehensible part of the film involves Mickey Rourke as a psychotic, racist cop/Oliver Stone stand-in determined to win Vietnam in Chinatown. Unfortunately the lurid cartoon fantasy gets bogged down with endless, worthless drug negotiations between the Chinese mob families).

I thoroughly enjoyed Year of the Dragon...Cimino...Rourke...mmm...I love the smell of excess in the morning.

Nixon (I could note the film is indulgent, actor-wasting, cartoonish, simple-minded, obvious, ludicrous, reprehensible, misleading, endless, shameful and depraved, but Directed by Oliver Stone should cover all that. The most embarassingly obvious and artless metaphors ever, a mind-numbing determination to reaffirm reaffirm reaffirm and reaffirm again that Nixon was a worthless pathetic roach filled with hate and fear - there's only two scenes in the film Nixon doesn't appear in, and in both characters state Oliver's thesis. The Oliver Stone patented film-stock-switchin' is more artless and arbitrary than ever. Possibly the most humiliating aspect is that Oliver's final summation, given in narration by himself, appears OVER THE CREDITS, as if the film is trying to finish before he's done).

I'm sorry, but I'm a big Oliver Stone fan. Does he have his flaws? Certainly. Can the historical "ideas" become too crazy for their own good. Sure. Does the film stock switching get annoying. Sometimes. But overall, I find them to be all-and-all totally pleasurable experiences of *ahhh* "pure cinema" - a thing very rare in commercial American entertainment industry. And while some of the editing technique falls flat on its face, admittedly, some of his other experiments are, at least in my para-editor eyes, revelatory.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 26 August 2003 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hook
Jumanji
*Batteries Not Included
Death And The Maiden
Pirates
Space Jam

etc.

PVC (peeveecee), Wednesday, 27 August 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd be interested in why you disliked death and the maiden so much

ron (ron), Thursday, 28 August 2003 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

If "pure cinema" is synonymous with "unreal bullshit with no valid connection to anything outside of the screen or Oliver Stone's drug-addled mind" than I'm cool with that statement. I kinda wish Ollie would delve further into "pure cinema" by making all his characters into aliens. Maybe he should see Battlefield Earth.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 29 August 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)


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