The Dogme Movement and Why I Have a Problem with It

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I am not much of a fan of the movement. That's not saying I dislike all of the films. In fact, many of the Dogme films have been very good. And I admire the Dogme filmmakers for attempting something different.

But in general, I find the whole concept to be very pretentious. Here's a little run-down of the movement's "Vow of Chastity":

1. Shooting must be done on location. Props and sets must not be brought in (if a particular prop is necessary for the story, a location must be chosen where this prop is to be found).

If you ask me, this sounds more stupid than "pure." Props and sets can enhance a film's effectiveness immensely. They are as much a part of the filmmaking process as a camera and actors.

2. The sound must never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. (Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being shot).

Music, in my opinion, is not used the way it should be in most films. It is often used as an "emotional trigger" telling how we should feel and when we should feel it. But one only needs to take a look at "2001" to see how important music can be when it is used in an original, creative way.

3. The camera must be hand-held. Any movement or immobility attainable in the hand is permitted. (The film must not take place where the camera is standing; shooting must take place where the film takes place).

If someone can explain to me the logic in this, feel free to do so.

4. The film must be in colour. Special lighting is not acceptable. (If there is too little light for exposure the scene must be cut or a single lamp be attached to the camera).

5. Optical work and filters are forbidden.

So am I too assume that a cinematographer's work is not part of "pure" filmmaking? And just what exactly is the problem with black and white?

6. The film must not contain superficial action. (Murders, weapons, etc. must not occur.)

"People are murdered everyday. There's genocide, war, corruption. Every fucking day, somewhere in the world, someone sacrifices his life to save somebody else. Every fucking day, someone, somewhere, takes a conscious decision to destroy someone else. People find love; people lose it. For Christ's sake, a child watches a mother beaten to death on the steps of a church. Someone goes hungry. Somebody else betrays his best friend for a woman. If you can't find that stuff in life, then you, my friend, don't know crap about life!"- Adaptation

The rest is other technical stuff that's not that important, but here's the kicker. The Vow ends with this:

"Furthermore I swear as a director to refrain from personal taste! I am no longer an artist. I swear to refrain from creating a "work", as I regard the instant as more important than the whole. My supreme goal is to force the truth out of my characters and settings. I swear to do so by all the means available and at the cost of any good taste and any aesthetic considerations."

I can feel Akira Kurosawa and Federico Fellini spinning in their graves.

Anthony (Anthony F), Sunday, 21 September 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

They essentially closed it down this past year. The problem with trying to make things more "real" is that you still have a camera, and all the imposition and artificiality that comes with a camera that is intended to be unacknowledged. So...what difference does it make if anything else is "true" or not if the most potent disconnect from reality - the actuality of the camera - is unaffected?

Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 21 September 2003 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree completely.

Anthony (Anthony F), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I always saw it as just a different style, as totally contrived as anything else, just contrived differently.

Also Girolamo there is some acknowledgment of the camera--at one point in The Idiots a second cameraman wanders into the shot for a second.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

And that was supposed to show that the cameras are part of the reality of the story? I've only seen two of them, but neither made direct, intentional acknowledgment.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 22 September 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, it was a winky acknowledgment of the "apparatus," take it as you like.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is I never really thought Dogme was to be taken at face value as an attempt to portray a greater sense of "reality," but rather as a throwing-over of certain film conventions. the Dogme-ists were of course extremely aware that this would mean supplanting them with new conventions, not neccessarily superior but more fresh, that would themselves need to be overthrown (or at least incorporated into the greater language of film, which I think they have) some day.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I just thought it was a swarmy ironic pose.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 22 September 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't know you could make movies ironically, unless you left the film out of the camera.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...
Just the subject line of this post made me smile.

PVC (peeveecee), Tuesday, 7 October 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

the vow of chastity is dumb but the idea of trying to boil a film down to its essence is admirable. just got done watching dogville and the feeling i had the whole time was that lvt was succeeding (remarkably, i'd say) at creating an environment where the actors were able to concentrate on their performances. (obv it's not a dogme film)

ron (ron), Monday, 13 October 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

the key word you may be missing is simply "Dogma" (dogme) itself...
consider the difficulty in trying to strike out for oneself in purely formalist terms, by setting out rules (form) for oneself before you even set out to THINK a film. It seems to be much more of an experiment than anything else... If you've seen the early work of Lars Von Trier, prior to 'Breaking the Waves', you'll notice consistent innovation in techniques/explorations and 'special effects' that were so innovative that they have yet to be matched (by a single artist) more than 10 years later... so with the dogme(95) project... you almost see a complete u-turn in personal style... but more importantly, the rules are the formation of a GROUP style, or universal way to approach film in an era of constant innovation/mutation... a way of "stopping" the technological focus in order to focus on... well whatever else just "happens" (to happen)...

There is a french film from '91-'92 released in America as "Man Bites Dog". see this. also, see KILL BILL!!!

cory ivanchuk (stealthiride), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 22:45 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a french film from '91-'92 released in America as "Man Bites Dog". see this.

Yes, yes, YES!!! Great mockumentary.

also, see KILL BILL!!!

Die. (I guess that film is making me more violent...)

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)


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