shooting in digital video format ( or is it XL1 vs VX 1000 fite?)

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If I get to film something might as well use the same equipment that was used by other crews to make digital video independent films, right?

So I found a dv films guide, among the ones I've seen there was The Idiots who used a Sony VX1000 PAL and I.K.U. used a Canon XL1 NTSC. Apparently XL1 is more user friendly but give images of a lesser quality, from memory I can't say I've seen the difference so I guess when I'll have to buy/rent/borrow a dv cam I'll try to go with the XL1. Or should I?

Both models have been around for a while now so, there must be cheaper and more performant models that came-up since? Something else than the miniDV format? The dv films guide haven't been updated since 2002, am I missing on a newer "it" camera that was used to make popular independant films?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 19 April 2004 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

The big thing now seems to be 24p DV cameras.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 19 April 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

28 Days later was shot on a Canon XL1S which is a newer rev version of the XL1, keep in mind though they a had a lot of money to put into picture correction in post. They used the 'cinema capture mode' which records each frame as a deinterlaced still, which eradicates video blur and flicker. A filter in Final Cut under effects/video called 'deinterlace' does the same thing to interlaced footage and works like a charm.

By many accounts the Panasonic AG-DVX100AP with 24p mode looks great.

PVC (peeveecee), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

a good site for dv techical info and questions is 2-pop.com

PVC (peeveecee), Monday, 19 April 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

We have the VX2000, 4 0r 5 XL1s and a couple of GL2s. I don't know about quality of image, but the XL!s are a joy to use.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Progressive frame rate generally is a lot better than deinterlacing interlaced footage, since deinterlacing guesses at half the image information. Furthermore, in my experience with miniDV cameras Canon actually can do a real 29.97p, whereas Sony seems to think that progressive frame means 15p.

Of course, I'd assume that higher level professional level cameras (DVCPro and up) can do real progressive scan. But I've had bad experiences with progressive scan on Sony's PD-100 and PD-150.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm currently shooting on a DVX100 and i love it. I've made the wonderful mistake of showing footage i've shot to local videographers, and now i have it on a full month's rental booking!

The XL1 is the only prosumer camera on the market capable of shooting true, full resolution 24p, 30p & 60i. The XL1 will shoot "frame mode" which is a fake 30p (fake because it only shoots at half resolution in frame mode).

The progressive scan on the Sony PD-150 and 170 are only for taking progressive stills--it shoots at 15 fps at half res--usable only if you want to get really experimental.

For higher end production there's the Pannasonic Varicam which shoots at all frame rates, the Thompson ViperCam, numberous Sony cameras, etc. all in the $10k-$100k range.

I just got back from NAB 2004 (Vegas is a bizarre city!) and the big thing now is 24P HD. Don't expect any at the prosumer level anytime soon however--Sony has a protype 3-CCD HD cam in the works, but it won't shoot 24P. My guess is Panasonic or Sony will be the first to release one, maybe in 2005 or 2006. Apple just released Final Cut HD, in partnership with Pannasonic, so something may be in the works already.

try www.dvxuser.com for info on the DVX100, and www.creativecow.com is great for everything.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)


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