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god bless ilx's shitty servers!!!

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

scores and headlines every twenty minutes dude!

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Cubs please trade Sammy
All I want for Christmas now
Is the stud Beltran

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Ditto, jeez.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Doc, I think your worse fears will come to be realized. Sportscenter had some video from Sammy's wedding vow renewal down south and Omar V. was shown in a tux at the ceremony. Appearantly the current Met GM was the guy who first scouted and signed him.

Shawn Green didn't want to leave LA, so him holding up that trade probably got his wish not to leave. Appearantly the sports talk radio and local writers were frying DiPodesta over this potential trade and losing Beltre, so the Dodgers got cold feet.

Considering how poorly Mulder pitched down the stretch, maybe there is something they know and are getting rid of him while he has high value. Danny Haren looked like he had pretty good stuff in the playoffs, whether or not that will translate into being a good starter, I don't know.

The A's could be like the Reds, who give away all of their spare talent for people that do nothing. The Reds big moves this off season are getting Ramon Ortiz, signing Shawn Estes and Kent Mercker. They need pitching, but oh well...someone has to pitch.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Gammons (and Beane)on the whys of the Mulder trade:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1949178


Mulder and Hudson are due a combined $3.8 million more in '05; between that and TH's impending free agency, end of story, nearly.

The Minaya-Sosa relationship is well documented, but the Mets' strategy summarized in today's Times is Beltran + budget 1b (Olerud or, sigh, Minky) OR Delgado + Alou.

Jay Payton takes Kapler's spot as Fenway's Body Beautiful.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

How quickly we forget David Ortiz!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

yay! the orioles finally did something good. steve kline is hardly the impact signing i'd have hoped for by now, but he's a good pick up.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

foxxxxxxxy mulder, i think i lub you. I wonder if X-stein will be a Redbird soon? Or will the Cardnials just put two orange cones up at 2b & SS, and if the ball hits them it's an out?

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

wade miller, free agent.

anybody know what his re-hab outlook is like? might not be a bad pitcher for someone to take a flyer on.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

BP says of LA's role in the Unit whopper:

"...the New York Daily News has reported that the Dodgers would then spin Vazquez to the Chicago White Sox for a package consisting of first baseman Paul Konerko, starter Jon Garland and lefty reliever Damaso Marte. Sox GM Kenny Williams has denied his team's involvement in the deal, while Dodger GM Paul DePodesta has said that his team's role is contingent on subsequent moves being in place."


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link

just vazquez for those 3? kenny williams has some problems.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

This is one of the most complicated deals ever.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Cabrera to the Angels for 4yrs/$32m yesterday. Bye bye Eckstein.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

4yrs/$32m? Did they think they were getting the other Cabrera?

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link


just vazquez for those 3? kenny williams has some problems.

Nah, that would be crazy. It's just a dumb rumor, and kw laughed it off a couple of days ago (in local Chicago media).

k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Odalis Perez to the Mariners for a 3 year contract worth more than 18 milliion (which is what the Nats offered).

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So the Randy deal is dead (pt II). Apparently Vazquez refused to fly to L.A. to take a physical, didn't want to play for L.A., and that was the ultimate torpedo that sank this one. Strange.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

hole. e. shit.

i got banned for the third time from nyyfans during ilx's downtime. i was told by email to "get a life".

(except they actually told my parents cuz i used their addy to register since they don't accept freemail addresses and i didn't want to take the time to find one obscure enough to bypass their censor...now i'm afraid they think i'm a loser :< well god dammit i forgot how to make that face)

o what i will suffer for a scoop : (

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

how do you do that face anyone? the one with the...pointy thing? does anyone know what i'm talking about? >: ( is that it?

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link

• what did you get "banned" for?
• i have no ides what you're on about with the >'s

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i got banned for BEING dude. that's how bad a motherfucker i am.

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link

LUPICA: "THEY AREN'T CHAMPS OF BASEBALL ANYMORE, JUST SPENDING."

btw love how you did those bulletpoints thermo howdyoudothat?

John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:01 (nineteen years ago) link

All the Big Media types seem confirmed another Johnson>>NYY deal will be worked out. I think they expect Selig to simply award him to the Yanks if that's what it takes.

And after the fact, DePo (who was pissed all this got leaked) gets Drew:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1951346

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"Being dude", eh? That's one anal board!
I was actually posting there too while ilx was down. I had the nerve to defend Delgado but never had any of the problems that you did!

Anyhow... the •'s are easy if you're on a mac - it's just option 8 - but if you're on a pc just forget about it!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe not:

  • Check my source code!

  • It's neato!

  • I assume this'll work, BTW.
  • David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

    Hey, there they are - I take it back!
    I guess copy & pasting them would work okay.
    Umm... but why are yours bigger?

    Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

    INSIDER DIRT:

  • Wade Miller + Red Sox = YAYAYAYAYAYAY (if it happens, it'll be a Lieber-esque, incentive-laden deal) (DO IT THEO!)

  • El Duque + White Sox = $4M/2yrs

  • Cardinals in talks to trade for Julio Lugo (which, aside from off-the-field issues he's had in the past, would be a SWEET pickup); in related news, the Devil Rays want to cockblock BJ Upton by signing "wily veteran" Alex Gonzalez

  • Big Cat in the Big Apple (in the minors) (for the Mets) (that is) (hi dere)

  • So Taguchi might get the Redbird shaft! (HE'S 35!!!??!)

  • Blue Jays want Shea Hillenbrand. Um, sure?
  • To answer your question, TT: I'm Italian.

    David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

    • !

    Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

    Why exactly is Beltran supposed to be worth 4 times as much as JD Drew again?

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

    re: devil rays and alex gonzalez -- what are they, the twins????

    Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link

    Technically, that contract means Beltran's worth just TWICE as much as Drew (on a per-year basis). The difference, I think, is in the dental hygeine.

    The D-Rays are also looking to snag Josh Phelps, which is a signing that actually MAKES SENSE. At least, when the Twins needlessly sign a middle infielder, they do it for just over $1M. Gonzo's crap-ass career will undoubtedly earn him $3M / $4M, at least.

    Also - if Odalis Perez gets signed for only $6M/year, that will probably be the steal of the off-season (assuming Nomar can't get his shit / wrist / ankle together).

    David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

    Actually you are right. No one is really going to give Beltran 10 years/$200mm. Still I'm not even sure why he'd be worth almost double with a longer contract.

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

    Just when it started to look like the Dodgers actually thought things over before making personel moves, they go out and sign JD Drew to superstar money. $11M/yr to a guy who's now 29, has had trouble staying healthy and set career highs last year with a whopping 31HR 93RBI?

    MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

    Why exactly is Beltran supposed to be worth 4 times as much as JD Drew again?

    Last season was the first JD Drew played without an injury. Beltran is 10x better defensively and is one of the fastest guys in the league.

    gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

    He's not gonna be significantly faster in 8-10 years though (whereas in ten years Drew will still be a better and more patient hitter.) I will concede the defense though (although I have no idea if Drew is actually that weak.) And if Drew stays healthy (which is admittedly an if, but no bigger one than whether Beltre will ever have a monster year like his last one) I can definitely see his power numbers improving. By contrast, I just can't see Beltran ever hitting .300 or even being 40/40 for much longer (I can 40/30 or even 50/30, but gradually speed begins to wane.)

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

    Scratch that: much ABOVE .300. Obv he's already hit .300.

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

    >whereas in ten years Drew will still be a better and more patient hitter

    Drew's not only gonna be *playing* at 39, he'll be BETTER? He on the clear?

    Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link

    Haha I mispoke. 5 years is what I meant to say.

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

    8-10 years (esp. at the prices getting thrown around) is ridiculously long time for a guy who hasn't to this point demonstrated that he is capable of having MVP caliber seasons. Drew for 5 years at that price just seems like a better (although perhaps given his injury history not entirely safer) deal to me.

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

    It's not that Beltran CAN'T put up MVP numbers - prior to this year, he was the AL's Bobby Abreu, right down to the criminal lack of attention (&, when Tony Muser was the manager, the destructive dipshit in the dugout), and this year was pretty impressive (& totally in line with previous performances). However, he just turned 27, and to give ANYONE a ten-year deal at that age is ludicrous. For the love of crap, the Yankees have a beautiful example of what happens when you sign an OF to an over-long contract in Bernie Williams - I can't imagine the Yankees not wanting to shed that millstone (were it not attached to Bern Baby Bern).

    David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

    Miller's a BoSox! Nice! Only a 1 year deal, for $4.5M - $1.5M base, & $3M in incentives.

    David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

    I just need to sign Chad Moeller now to complete the set.

    Theeeo Epstein (Leee), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

    Apparently Moises and Felipe reunite in SF:

    "A report out of the Dominican Republic states that the Giants and Moises Alou have agreed to a two-year, $13.6 million contract."

    gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 December 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

    Grissom turns 38 on April 17th
    Alou turns 39 on July 3rd
    Bonds turns 41 on July 24th

    118 year old outfield

    gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 23 December 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

    The whole damn team is older than 36 practically. It's like Cocoon or something.

    Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 23 December 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

    They should sign Rickey as a pinch-runner / PR smokebomb.

    David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 23 December 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

  • What do people think of Clement?
  • Frankly I don't know beans about him. His numbers look good. (But not rock em sock em))
  • You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Thursday, 23 December 2004 08:52 (nineteen years ago) link

    My comments on this got eaten via the 17-day outage, but I think that Clement and Pedro are more or less the same pitcher these days. Therefore, the Sox have essentially replaced Pedro with a guy who will give them an equal amount of production -- and save 15M over three years in doing so.

    MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 23 December 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

    Which Giant will be doing the Don Ameche dance?

    Rumor has it Beane is trying to snooker the Mets out of prospects for Eric Byrnes...

    http://doc-baseball.blogspot.com/2004/12/byrnes-baby-byrnes.html


    With Moises off the market, things look better for one of the Carloses or Magglio in Queens! (whistling past the Sammy)

    Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link


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