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I believe Baltimore's offer to Delgado was something on the order of 3 years/$34 million, with a club option for a fourth year. The Orioles don't need anymore bats, though -- like just abotut everyone else, they need pitching. They would be much better off putting that money toward Derek Lowe.

Pierzynski may be a head case, but I like that signing for the White Sox. It's a pretty minimal risk for them, and gets them back some of the offense they'll lose if Magglio Ordonez moves on -- and at a more important position. He played well in the AL Central as a Twin, and his .729 OPS last year was a bit of a fluke, I think. PacBell doesn't strike me as much of a hitter's park -- Barry Bonds being the exception that proves the rule. And there's always the possibility that the lack of interest showed to Pierzynski in the FA period this year and his inability to secure a multiyear contract will change his attitude.

On another note, my vote for steal of the offseason is the Red Sox nicking Wade Miller after he was nontendered by the Astros. They took practically no financial risk, have him locked down for two years, and if they can fix his funky mechanics to keep him from injuring himself, he could be a legit No. 2 starter down the road. Not bad.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Saturday, 8 January 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

d-day for beltran folks. if he isn't a yankee by midnight i'm fucking myself up something fierce.

John (jdahlem), Saturday, 8 January 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Are the Yankees even making serious offers at this point? All I've heard about is the Astros and the Mets, plus the Cubs with a token offer. Besides, it's only a deadline for the Astros. If the Astros don't get him today, the Yankees will still have a shot.

boldbury (boldbury), Saturday, 8 January 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

calm down john, it's only d-day for beltran and the 'stros. the real d-day is "Tuesday, the last day the government will allow signing bonuses to be paid without FICA taxes deducted. Previously, signing bonuses were exempt from FICA taxes, but the law has been changed, effective Jan. 12." (that's from here.)

maura (maura), Sunday, 9 January 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Whoa - if that Miller deal is for TWO YEARS, then it's most definitely a steal (as opposed to the joyous petty larceny the 1-year deal I thought they had w/ Miller). Is it one of those incentive-tie-ins where he gets a guaranteed 2nd year if he pitches X number of innings or makes X number of starts?

Derek Lowe anywhere besides LA (or Detroit) = disaster waiting to happen. The fact that he will probably get the $10M/yr he's asking for is mindboggling, unless people are shortsighted & optimistic enough to replace 300+ innings of 5.xx ERA pitching (over the past 2 years) for the 15 innings he threw in last year's playoffs & think the latter's more indicative of what he'll do. DL needs a lot of space with which to work (when those sinkers don't sink) & an infield that can make plays (when those sinkers do sink). Though I thought I remember hearing that Camden Yards is playing less like a hitter's park nowadays, so maybe Baltimore would be a good place for him (assuming Melvin Mora got over the yips that plagued him early last year).

I have no idea what the Rangers are thinking in trying for Delgado - they already have the best infield in the AL (if not the majors). Unless they can turn someone (Soriano? Tex?) into a #1 starter, they shouldn't be sniffing around that stuff. (If Boston wants to start sniffing, though, I won't complain too much.)

Also, re: the AL West - even w/out Hudson & Mulder, the A's are probably going to do what they've always done, & the M's aren't going to be much better than last year (since, as Rasheed noted, their problem was the pitching, which is still poised to be the colossal suck).

How many days until pitchers & catchers report??!?

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 9 January 2005 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/2983265

fucking fuck fucker

John (jdahlem), Sunday, 9 January 2005 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Beltran's box office appeal just added to the Astros' desire to keep him with the team. The Astros' attendance with Beltran rose, going from an average of 37,547 before he was acquired to 38,655 after.

Wow, a whole 3% attendance increase, which has everything to do with the Astros making an unprecedented playoff run and little to do with Beltran's specific drawing power.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

that is to say: ...assuming that Beltran's acquisition and the Astros play-off run aren't connected (which I take it isn't the author's belief).

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 9 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearly they are connected, but had they made a playoff run without Beltran, then the attendance would have gone up anyway (as would be the case for any team making a playoff run). That's why I used the word "specific", i.e. who is coming to the park just to see Beltran, the way people went to the park just for McGwire or Bonds.

And even if the attendance increase was entirely due to him, it's an extra 1K per game, which isn't going to cover the $105M they were offering him.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 9 January 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago) link

beltran to mets, seven years, $119 million, according to newsday and other sources.

maura (maura), Sunday, 9 January 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Top 3 CFs (2004 VORP) - 2005 Salary

Jim Edmonds (88.9) - $10.0M
Carlos Beltran (74.5) - $17.0M (est.)
Johnny Damon (51.0) - $8.5M

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know what to do, really, about this.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 10 January 2005 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Hope Bernie Williams has some Fountain of Youth water stashed in his guitar case?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 January 2005 03:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know what to do, really, about this.
You could become a Mets fan. At least it's still the same city.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 January 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

You could quit bellyaching.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 10 January 2005 03:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, poor Yankees fan... can't buy everyone up. (jk JOHND!!)

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 January 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link


i don't know what to do, really, about this.

-- John (johndahle...), January 10th, 2005.

Boo hoo. You follow a team that is a perennial contender and which has been in the World Series what, 5 or 6 times in the last 10 years? Plus they seem to have an almost limitless supply of cash... (not that they seem to spend it very wisely - what is it with NY teams and overspending?)

ojitarian (ojitarian), Monday, 10 January 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

you guys want i should write a fucking essay?? if not, shut up.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 10 January 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Why John Thinks His Team Is Spending Buttloads of Money on Over-The-Hill Superstars and One-Year-Wonder Free Agents, Instead of Spending Their Buttloads of Man U Kickbacks on Youngish Superstars (And Also Why Jay Buhner & Fred McGriff Will Not Have Their Numbers Retired By John's Team) (And Also Why Felix Heredia is a Suckerpunk)

By John

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 10 January 2005 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

So now that the Mets have gone out and signed ostensibly the two best free agents available, how many wins do those signings add? My guess would be: about 10. That would put them at a break-even 81 wins (without any sort of Jamesian adjustments to last year's finish), clearly not enough to win their division. It also keeps them in a place where they have to duke it out with the runners-up in the far superior Central for the wild card. The Mets are still going to have problems at 1B unless Minaya can also snag Delgado or trade for Kevin Millar or Doug Mientkwxzwyw23z, and the catching situation is a headache in the making. Can't imagine Pedro would have a lot of fun being caught by Jason Phillips -- or Piazza, for that matter.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 10 January 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

And by the way, anyone seeing shades of Kevin Malone's arrival in LA in these Minaya signings?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 10 January 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Piazza is the catcher for '05. Don't know if it's just smoke, but the Mets have allegedly enlisted Beltran to make a persusive call to Delgado. I'm assuming they're dumping Floyd somewhere if they sign Delgado.

I don't believe the Mets are guaranteed more than .500 at this point, but rasheed, you have to figure in the added value of a full season of David Wright ... and, if they get lucky, Reyes, Benson and Victor Z. (not that one or two of those might not be permanent disappointments).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

True enough re: Wright et al. Does Kaz Matsui start the year as a Met? The Miguel Cairo signing makes me think he's gone. He's been talked about as trade bait for a 1B.

As for the pitching: I'm a fan of Victor Zambrano, especially as a No. 4, even though to this day the fact that Jim Duquette gave up Kazmir to get him makes my head hurt (imagine Martinez-Glavine-Benson-Kazmir-Trachsel). Benson I'm not so sure about, even though I have no real sound statistical basis to think that he'll be anything other than a very solid No. 2 or 3. As for Martinez, I remember hearing some commentators talk about how some of Pedro's late-season control problems last year might have been related to his adjustment to once again pitching at full strength -- that he had altered his mechanincs slightly to compensate for playing hurt over the last few years and that as he got stronger he was slower to adjust than he should have been. His throwing at 92+ at times in the ALCS and World Series lends some credibility to this theory, but who knows. There's also a lot of talk about his allegedly "90% torn" labrum.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 10 January 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

What exactly are the Dodgers doing? I like Lowe and I think he'll do pretty well at Dodger Stadium, but FOUR YEARS seems pretty hefty for a guy who is already 31 and has some question marks around his ahem motivation?!?!?! And is Sean Green really so valueless that all you can get is two prospects for him?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 January 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

well, you know alex, the JEWS have like 45 holidays a week or something so knows how much he'll actually play!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 10 January 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

plus they love being in the desert anyway.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Hank Greenberg is rolling over in his grave!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 January 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't see Kaz goin' nowhere. Cairo is Reyes insurance (and more super than Joe McEwing!).

Sheehan -- I chortle as I paste:


"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix.

If New York is a Mets town again in 2007, it will be the decisions made this winter by the two teams that made it that way. The Yankees' mistakes directly benefited the Mets, and that they took advantage is a credit to Fred Wilpon and Omar Minaya. For the first time in a long time, the best front office in New York may be located in Queens."


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Meanwhile, in Manhattan, RJ got a little dose of big city life...

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, like Tom Glavine, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix."

"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, like Mike Cameron, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix."

"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, like Cliff Floyd, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix."

"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, like Mo Vaughan, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix."

"The Mets have had the best offseason of any team, not just this year, but in recent memory. By ignoring the middle class and focusing on getting the best players they could, like Bobby Bonilla, they've improved by 10 to 15 wins, vaulting to the top of the NL East mix."

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

(sorry morbius!)

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, the Dodgers got 4 guys for the Green trade. Navarro, William Juarez, Danny Muegge and Beltran Perez. Whether these three dudes are worth a shit, remains to be seen.

major jingleberries (jingleberries), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

"Alex, the Dodgers got 4 guys for the Green trade. Navarro, William Juarez, Danny Muegge and Beltran Perez. Whether these three dudes are worth a shit, remains to be seen."

Three or four again? Well four guys is something, I guess. I suppose LA should just be grateful they unloaded his horrendous contract.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 January 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Randy Johnson sure looks weird without a mustache.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Monday, 10 January 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

beltran would've gone to nyy for less. i'm not providing a link becuz fuck u ppl.

as per the mets, while neither move is terrible it's easy to see how either could become serious deadweight for a seriously long time. i dunno, seems well worth it to me but it's not my money/team.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Player's name & age of player when acquired by Mets:

Carlos Beltran: 27

Pedro Martinez: 33
Tom Glavine: 37
Mike Cameron: 31
Cliff Floyd: 30
[Carlos Delgado: 33]

Mo Vaughn: 34
Bobby Bonilla: 29 / 36 (ha!)

"One of these things is not like the other..." (though it might be in 4/5 years)

BTW - what NY's (nominal) CFs will be making this year
Beltran - $17M
Bernie - $12.5M

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Beltran really making $17 million this year, or is his contract backloaded ala A-Rod, Jeter, M. Ramirez, et al? If it gets heavier in later years, the Mets are going to have the same problem that the Yankees are facing a year or two down the road: i.e., working around large final years of contracts for players that are likely to be in decline.

The Pedro contract presents a similar problem for the Mets, I think. There is just no way they are getting four solid years out of him. Even if he starts the contract in relatively good health, he's fragile. Plus, if the Mets don't win right away, his attention is likely to wander and he might even bark for a trade -- whereby the Mets are likely to have to eat a sizable part of his salary. So Wilpon is probably at the end of the day paying Martinez more like $26 or $27 million a year for performance.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I like all the Worst Case Scenarios; at least I'll be the local Metophile a while longer. (Really, Jams -- what David said.)

My fave thing about the Unit-cameraman nonsense is "Don't talk back to me." I guess he doesn't have a noblesse oblige clause.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i know, morbius. just joshing ya!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Tony Batista signs with the Fukuoka Hawks of the Japan League, $15M/2yrs.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

So what do the Blue Jays do with all the money they've saved by cutting Delgado free?
Well - they go and sign Mr.Koch!

ED FUCKING KOCH!
W. T. F?

Fucking Riccardi. He better pull of this Hillenbrand thing that I've been hearing rumours about.

I wish I could just turn on some hockey (World Juniors notwithstanding) and ignore all this.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

it only cost him 900K, you know.

i wouldn't get too excited about shea.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

hideki matsui gave FIFTY MILLION YEN to tsunami relief...unfortunately that's only like 500 bucks USD

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

it only cost him 900K, you know.
I know - it's the sheer terror of having him back in a J's uniform that's getting to me.

i wouldn't get too excited about shea.
I am also aware of this - but it would be nice to have someone on the team that's played SOME 1st base!
Plus, I only became aware of his "colourful personality" ("Trade me faggot") after my last post.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

hideki matsui gave FIFTY MILLION YEN to tsunami relief...unfortunately that's only like 500 bucks USD

$500,000

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha small difference.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yankees acquired for LHP Randy Johnson from the Diamondbacks for RHP Javier Vazquez, LHP Brad Halsey, C Dioner Navarro and $9 million.
Wow. Who saw this one coming? A clean-cut Johnson will make his first start as a Yankee against the Red Sox on the first night of the regular season. He won't get to keep his long-time number 51, as that belongs to Bernie Williams. He plans to switch to 41, which is his age and perhaps how many innings he has left in his arm.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playernews.asp?sport=MLB

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

TT, it's not Shea's beside manner that's worth worrying about - it's the fact that he's a slow slappy hitter w/ no patience that's too reliant on average to be worth a damn as a 1B. On the plus side, he set a career high in 2004 w/ 22 unintentional BBs. (How the hell did he only strike out 49 times last year?!?) Anyway, give Hinske time @ 1B & he'll be fine.

Koch as a hard-thrower to burn through some righties in the 7th or 8th, preferably w/ bases empty = not too shabby. Koch as your save guy, or your guy in a bases-filled situation = you get what you deserve. This pickup is in the same realm as the BoSox's transaction involving Matt "Mickey" Mantei - if he pans out, super duper; if not, whatever. Though I would think the Jays would do s'more scouring & scavenging before dropping nearly a million on a "proven veteran".

Tony Batista getting $7.5M overseas = HOLY CRAP!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 00:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The Rangers are going to suck next year, right? One fluke year with a duct-taped staff and luck, right? Please say yes.

Fuck a bunch of Tom Hicks. He got roasted on drivetime radio today because he said that shipping off A-Rod gave them room to acquire veteran talent - only now he's tying major free agent acquisitions (ie Delgado) to shipping off Soriano to keep the payroll close to even. I hope they go 60-102 this year and he loses the Stars forever.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:26 (nineteen years ago) link


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