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"I haven't lost any respect for him."

Neither have I, I guess.. I'm just a little sad that he'd feel like he couldn't continue to stand behind those positions playing for a US team. Which is really our culture's problem more than it is his.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

(I might lose some respect if he accepts 3y/37M without a fight, FFS, JD Drew got 4y/40M!)

MIR, if it wasn't for the fact that:

- Delgado's a first baseman
- Delgado's 3 years older than Drew (but only 3! that's surprised me!)

I'd agree w/ you.

Would someone PLEASE slap the Rangers upside the head and make the GM eat Mark Texeira's stat sheet from last year? If they're bitching about $$$$ issues, then they should not even think of signing Delgado when they have TWO (yes, TWO) 1B that can play full-time! Like, duh! And I'm going to keep on saying it because this just makes me so OFIOAU!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Delgado and Tex would split DH/1B duties, they went through five or six DHs last year and want some consistency.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see why! Look who Buck gave PT to @ the DH spot! Those top 4 were godawful DHes (though EY had a good year w/ the bat, if you don't mind his 387 SLG).

Brad Fullmer (65)
Eric Young (23)
Herbert Perry (21)
Brian Jordan (17)
Kevin Mench (14)
David Dellucci (9)
Chad Allen (5)
Alfonso Soriano (3)
Michael Young (2)
Mark Teixeira (2)
Andy Fox (1)
Adrian Gonzalez (1)

(See what I did there?)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I assume they don't think Gonzalez is ready or they're moving one of them to the OF.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Boo hiss to that noise.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

MIR, if it wasn't for the fact that:

- Delgado's a first baseman
- Delgado's 3 years older than Drew (but only 3! that's surprised me!)

Drew has had one good season (if you call 31 HR, 93 RBI good for a guy making 10M/yr). Delgado has had seven straight 900+ OPS seasons, including at least two MVP-quality years. Drew is injury-prone. Delgado is not -- last year was the only one in which he missed significant time due to injury, and he put up monster numbers once he came back healthy (so he's not showing any signs of slowing down at 32).

AFAIC, Drew is a monsterously larger risk at that salary, with a four year contract, compared to Delgado.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 20 January 2005 07:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Times reports that Mets are prepared to offer Delgado about $45/4.

I guess for progressive athletes, I'll have to settle for my NBA boyfriend, Steve Nash, sweetly profiled in yesterday's NYT (he's reading Che's book and the Communist Manifesto)... who's Canadian, natch.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

o's & nats seem to be fighting for who can have the most underwhelming offseason, but at leat the nats kind of have an excuse.

the orioles have now added blockbuster signing bionic tony saunders. way to go. actually, i think osuna is a solid signing for the nats pen, though...kind of cancelled out by the signing of esteban loaiza. ack.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

that times profile was so offensive! there were some very clear racial undercurrents to it: "see, not all nba players are dumb. some, like this white guy with great hair, are OUR kind of people!"

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Y'know, I was looking for stuff like that in such an article, Jams, but didn't especially find it. "Steve has a fondness for unambiguously consensual sex..."

Seattle addresses their pitching holes with ... Aaron Sele.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1970632


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Communist Manifesto? Is he actually trying to be a vulgar Marxist?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

o's & nats seem to be fighting for who can have the most underwhelming offseason
Is underwhelming the same as awful? Because if it is I'd like to nominate the Diamond Backs.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Eric Byrnes (OAK) for Mike Cameron (NYM)

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

steve nash is the second of two great white hopes produced by my alma mater, santa clara university. god bless him and his socialist tendencies and rediculous haircuts.

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

underwhelming is not the same as awful. at this point, striving to be merely whelmed seems an impossibility, though.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

byrnes + bradford for cameron is an AWFUL trade. i dunno what billy is thinking.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I can tell you what he is thinking: Defense - the new Moneyball.

And supposedly Mulder and Hudson were the worst defensive pitchers so there you go.

But seriously, Mike Cameron can hit and is an excellent centerfielder (Ichiro STILL misses MC). Discounting the upside, I think Byrnes' and Cameron's career OPS are both around .800.

And Bradford's supposedly not part of the trade.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if bradford were not part of the trade then it's not too bad, but pointing out one teeball game hardly makes cameron a hitter! is byrnes a defensive liability? i thought kotsay was also rated one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball. and furthermore, doesn't cameron have a big contract?

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe it has something to do w/ Kotsay's chronic back troubles? Also, for pure fly-shagging potential, Kotsay + Cameron >= Byrnes + Kotsay. Byrnes had a bit of a rep for being a wanderlustin' butcher boy. (Who the heck is playing RF?)

From my understanding, Cam has only 1 year left, is a decent enough hitter (what's his line the last few years - .260 / .350 / .450?) whose value is boosted overall because of his defensive prowess (hey, look, received knowledge!) (though he looked VERY BAD @ times last year - dunno if it was injuries or what). Also, there's the very real possibility that Byrnes' year (or last two years) = fluke.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

(Who the heck is playing RF?)

2005 ALROY Nick Swisher

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope all the announcers have their "FROM WAY DOWNTOWN" calls ready.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Cameron gets about 6M a year.

I don't trust that Beane...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

At least his trade record (cf. Keith Foulke, Octavio Dotel, J-Dye, J-Damon, Mr. Durazo) is better than his free agent record (cf. T-Long, Arthur Rhodes, your momma). I have undying faith that the A's will do what they've been doing for the past 4 years. (Said faith might shrivel up @ a moment's notice, though.)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha yeah somehow I am convinced that however this trade works out it will be bad for the Mets (I am amazed they even take Beane's phone calls anymore.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I can see Eric Byrnes appealing to Lenny Dykstra's fanbase (perhaps without the gambling addiction and CroMagnon vocabulary).

Still gax, this is not a done deal!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Beane responds to "absolute fiction" trade rumors

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't suprise me that Eric Byrnes is coming up in trade rumors because he was quoted as questioning these off season trades and A's management remembers him blowing that play at the plate two years ago in the playoffs.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Not to mention he's horribly overrated!

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

He's a Rex Hudler for the 00s!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Newsday confirms that the Mets would presumably have to pay most of Cameron's salary IF the A's wanted him -- which defeats the point of moving him.

Byrnes is a good 3-1/2th-4th outfielder.

I don't recall Beane rooking the Mets aside from Billy Taylor for... *loses consciousness*

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 January 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

What? Terrence Long is spam! Who else did they get? (No, really, this isn't me going for the ribs - I forgot!)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 January 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

EIGHTEEN MILLION for one more year of rice barrels. Sweet crap.

Also, I just Googl'd re: Billy Taylor - ouch.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 22 January 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I was really thinking that if the Indians got some help in the bullpen they could make a playoff run. They did get Kevin Millwood, which should eat up a bunch of innings and provide them with a somewhat competent starting staff. The Tribe really needs help at closer and setup. They also signed Juan Gone to a minor league deal, which could perhaps pay off if he can himself together. I tend to doubt that he has another decent season in him, as Gonzales cannot stay healthy, but you never know.

Overall the Indians have improved a bit on paper. Enough to contend, I don't know about that one. It seems the Twins and Sox are not getting any better, so they might have a shot.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 22 January 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Lenny Dykstra stormed my office a month ago. The exchange was surreal.


Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Monday, 24 January 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

details pls

John (jdahlem), Monday, 24 January 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

NYT reports Delgado has eliminated Texas, Mets & Marlins remain.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 January 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

ha!

wapo and bawlamer sun report delgado has eliminated tx, mets have dropped out, o's & marlins remain.

spinsanity!

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 24 January 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Baltimore's deal is reported to be way bigger than Florida's (and for 4y vs 3y). I don't think I could take Delgado playing in the same division as the Jays. That would hurt.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Astros sign John Franco for $700 G. Heehee...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 January 2005 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Mets are back in Delgadomania, says yahoo.

bnw (bnw), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

What I really want to know: who the hell is inflicted w/ Ordonezitis?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sheesh - AFFLICTED!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I dont really want to get into too much Lenny detail, but lets just say hes constantly smoking/drinking coffee and is generally agitated at all times.

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Tell him to give Jeff Kent a good deal on washing his truck so that Kent doesn't have to run into curbs while popping wheelies on his motorcycle in San Jose.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 24 January 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

he does have sweet carwashes, this I know.

Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Monday, 24 January 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

A list of pitchers to watch this year, from Will Carrol's last BP article:

"Want some pitchers to worry about? One key negative "tell" from the classic book 'The Diamond Appraised' is a declining strikeout rate year after year.Here's the list of pitchers who had more than 20 starts in each year from 2002-2004 and had declining K/9 in that period: Matt Morris, Kerry Wood, Brian Anderson, Miguel Batista, Curt Schilling, Kaz Ishii, Odalis Perez, Javier Vazquez, Livan Hernandez, Russ Ortiz, Josh Beckett, Carl Pavano, Brad Penny, Al Leiter, Brett Tomko, Randy Wolf, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Pedro Martinez, Sidney Ponson, Jon Garland and Mike Mussina."

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, Delgado goes to the Marlins... $52M/4yrs. yowza... going to a serious pitcher's park as well.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Delgado's bat inbetween Cabrera and Lowell looks impressive on paper, considering they combined to hit over 90 HRs last year. They will have to replace Pavano and hope that Mota can handle being a closer.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Could someone please tell me why the Marlins traded away Derek Lee before last year?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 01:19 (nineteen years ago) link


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