― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link
Don't hold your breath.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link
Angelos will eventually get some kickback from MLB to let it happen.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago) link
cynics say that angelos opened the floodgate on gm spending b/c he anticipates dc getting the call and a better on-field product will mitigate the damages of a dc team.
i think baseball in nova is bullshit!
― j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link
Charlotte or Portland also could work, but I think DC is where they will end up.
Mexico isn't as crazy for baseball as they used to be and I don't think the union would want a club to play there. There are a bunch of players are not that crazy about playing in Canada, let alone Mexico City.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link
― j.q. higgins, Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link
so if they moved to washington what would they rename the team¿ prolly "the senators" or something predictable like that. didn't they have a team briefly 30 or so years ago¿
― dyson (dyson), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link
The Senators have been a club on and off for years. The Rangers and Twins were both the Sentators at one time.
Montreal got screwed. The two times they had a club that could complete were in the strike years. The had one of the best minor league devlopment systems for most of the 80s-90s. It is a shame.
― earlnash, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
i wouldn't mind senators...it'd definitely have to be generals if they move *menacing strings* across the river.
― j.q. higgins, Thursday, 22 April 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
― mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
The rookie trio of Delino DeShields, Larry Walker and Marquis Grissom in the late 80s.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link
I'm not kidding, that's how they wrote it!
― boldbury (boldbury), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
Expos also developed Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Cliff Floyd, Rondall White, Vlad Guerrero, Ugeth Urbina who all became allstars.
They also got Moises Alou from the Pirates when he was a minor leaguer, so they had nearly two outfields of allstars in ten years.
― earlnash, Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link
Oh and Javier Vazquez looked unhittable last night, by the way.
― Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 22 April 2004 19:50 (twenty years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 22 April 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago) link
Regarding the Washington Senators.......the original franchise was part of the American League for 60 years, from 1901-60, then relocated to Minnesota and became the Twins in 1961. Second incarnation was a 1961 expansion team, that then moved to Texas and became the Rangers in 1971.
― don maynard (don maynard), Friday, 23 April 2004 11:06 (twenty years ago) link
MLB seems to think it financially beneficial to be coy while cities try to outbid each other. The potential ownership groups in DC/NoVa have become disillusioned with the endless bullshit process and the refusal of MLB to shit or get off the pot. Arlington, VA doesn't want a stadium in its midst. A site at Potomac Yards not far from National Airport would be nice but isn't for sale. A site in Springfield, VA--very near the infamous I-95/I-495 "mixing bowl" would be a traffic/logistical nightmare dwarfing even the current fiasco at Redskins games. DC would be insane to offer public funds for a park, though mayor Tony Williams would probably like to do just that.
Tinfoil-hat-wearers in DC (e.g. Thomas Boswell think that Angelos purposely threw the Orioles in the tank five years ago to drive down attendance so his case against a DC team would be weakened. Meanwhile, the Orioles want DC to make improvements to New York Avenue NE, the main route out of DC to Baltimore.
Meanwhile, les Expos can't sign players to extensions because they don't want to spend half their seasons in San Juan/Monterrey/etc. The whole thing is ugly, and a real reminder of what counts in baseball--and it's not OPS.
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link
Someone -- Gammons? -- said last week they still might contract them, but they'd need a second victim.
Geez, the great Walter Johnson pitched for the original Senators -- no Jonathan Richman fans??
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link
― otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link
On the plus side, this would not involve the further bloating of my DC tax bill as suggested by Mayor Tony Williams' stadium plan.
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link
revenue from the casino in the new convention center will pay for the stadium!
― j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
...i'll stop now.
― j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Norm MacDonald (boldbury), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Norm MacDonald (boldbury), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Sources familiar with the Expos-relocation process told ESPN.com on Thursday that union leaders Donald Fehr and Gene Orza met Wednesday with Montreal player representative Brian Schneider and his assistant, Brad Wilkerson.The player reps were informed by the union that there is now an overwhelming probability that they will wind up in either Washington or Northern Virginia -- although there is still a small chance that baseball could opt for Las Vegas.
The player reps were informed by the union that there is now an overwhelming probability that they will wind up in either Washington or Northern Virginia -- although there is still a small chance that baseball could opt for Las Vegas.
― mattbot (mattbot), Thursday, 22 July 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/columnist/bodley/2004-09-20-bodley_x.htm
and DC commission picks an M Street site:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/expos/2004-09-22-dc-stadium_x.htm
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link
FUCK YOU PETER ANGELOS
-- mookieproof (mookieproo...), September 11th, 2004 1:07 AM. (mookieproof)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
The Bmore-DC distance isn't really relevant, although Angelos wants everyone to think that it is. Simply put, the population of the Bmore-DC area is plenty big enough to support more than one team. The Ravens and Redskins are doing fine in the NFL. And the population of that area is larger than the Bay area, which also supports multiple sports franchises in multiple sports.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1890915
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 01:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 02:22 (nineteen years ago) link
this is really good news
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link
fair use? try eminent domain.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
i can't believe linda cropp is going to kill dc baseball!
i am so pissed, but only a dc politcian could fuck up such a golden opportunity.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 6 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link
linda cropp's proposal doesn't have the votes to pass city council and it looks like the tony williams/mlb plan does!
bienvenue, expos/nats!
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I hear the Grays are the leading team name.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link
He got a hair cut. His bro was there too along with another guy (didn't recognize).
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link
No sorrys required ... I was just noting how that post was rather inimitably GYGAXIAN.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
i guess the latest wrinkle is that cropp pulled some parliamentary shenanigans to delay vote on the dc/mlb plan citing some source of private finanicing. if the private financing plan is legit, i'm all for it, but i have a sneaking suspicion that it's purpose is to kill dc baseball by continually putting off an up or down vote.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link
espn had a uni design contest. not that it matters, but i like the first and last.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link
agreed about the first and last. and the ppl designing alternate unis need to be shot.
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 19 November 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.core77.com/inconspicuous/
He's a smart and funny cookie.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 November 2004 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 19 November 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-expos-namechange&prov=ap&type=lgns
washington NATIONALS, folks
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 20 November 2004 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Chris Kahrl of BP summarizes the Nationals' two signings last week: "Jim Bowden flushes a bunch of money down the drain in Washington."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 November 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link
this is what sucks about mlb jerking dc around so long. they're still calling the shots! the franchise needs 1) owners 2) that will spend money or bring in sharp baseball folks that know how to maximize their dollars.
you didn't expect mlb to hire a sabr dude, did you?
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 20 November 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link
http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/uni_ds_wash.jpg
― boldbury (boldbury), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 01:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― boldbury (boldbury), Sunday, 21 November 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― maura (maura), Sunday, 21 November 2004 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Sunday, 21 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link
(and, yeah...i think the monument is intentionally phallic. y'know...father of the nation?)
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Sunday, 21 November 2004 17:09 (nineteen years ago) link
Dude, you'd be surprised at the number of "SABR dudes" MLB -- and mlb.com in particular -- is employing these days to make a mint (see the late chapters of my latest book recommendation).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― maura (maura), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 22 November 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
as for the skins, they should change the helmet logo back to the 60's "r" and call themselves the washington servicemarks. washington's legal population would applaud!
i like "nationals" just fine. the logo is pretty weak and i'm not wild about the proposed unis or resurrecting the "w" hat given the current political climate.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link
especially if tony williams doesn't run, she's got to be a favorite if the mlb accepts the newly amended proposal. she could then claim responsbility for holding mlb accountable to the people of dc AND bringing a team to dc.
a lot of ifs there, though.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link
tempered enthusiasm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-baseball-new-stadium-1.4947176
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
Stephen Brunt, who I view as a pretty smart analyst, was on the Fan yesterday talking about this. (Weird to say, but I lived one street over from the Brunts as a kid; we played street hockey. Lost track of him after high school, then one day he was everywhere sports-related.) He said that for the longest time, right up till six months ago, he was certain Montreal would never get another team. He's revised that, and now he thinks it will happen.
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link