Man, I hope he makes it back. Drew Hutchinson is conspicuously on some other page right now. How long can you carry a starter with an almost-6.00 ERA?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
sounds like there's no real chance of him starting.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link
while of course you trade away prospects to bolster a contender, maybe not quite to this extent of depletion
Did the Jays cross that line this year? Eleven pitchers in a week. Anyway, I know this is the Tigers thread.
hard to say! norris seems like maybe a lot to give up for a rental of price, but it's hard to argue with the tulo acquisition. (what a nightmare for hoffman, like eddie butler and jon gray before him, learning he now has to pitch in places like albuquerque and denver.) and tbh a lot of norris' buzz has been about 'wacky lefty bro' rather than experience.
all prospect rankings are suspect, but the tigers currently have no one in mlb.com's top 100. the jays still have pompey, who has had a nice second half, and vlad jr. at least, and they have young pitching in sanchez and stroman. for every prospect who turns into syndergaard (so far) there are half a dozen who wind up as kyle drabek. russell martin's contract will eventually probably be a drag, but they don't have aging failing stars like miggy and v-mart for decades to come. plus they're secretly a big-market team and there's a lot to be said for generating some excitement after missing the playoffs for 20 years. you too could be the royals!
― mookieproof, Thursday, 6 August 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
Man, I hope he makes it back. Drew Hutchinson is conspicuously on some other page right now. How long can you carry a starter with an almost-6.00 ERA? --clemenza
as long as your run differential is above 100
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 6 August 2015 02:11 (nine years ago) link
side note: the loonie is collapsing
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 6 August 2015 02:11 (nine years ago) link
LaTroy Hawkins has now recorded a save against all 30 teams, cool stat
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 August 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link
might make it into the pen for late Sept.
But too late to be eligible for the playoffs? (yeah, maybe let's make the playoffs first and then worry about it)
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 6 August 2015 07:42 (nine years ago) link
apparently it's cool because he is on the dl.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 August 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
this series went very well.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 7 August 2015 02:35 (nine years ago) link
Toronto's first ever four game sweep of the Twins?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 7 August 2015 11:49 (nine years ago) link
Things are going so well now, I know nobody's going to change anything. But: would it just be too weird/complicated/unworkable to give the 5th start in the cycle to Hutchinson at home and Sanchez on the road? Can't Lowe or Hawkins be the set-up guy on the road? That'd be five or six starts left for each of them.
Hutchinson's road ERA is 9.00.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 August 2015 12:20 (nine years ago) link
If they were to switch places, I would think it would be permanent so it doesn't mess with their respective regimens by bouncing them back and forth. To me, it's more likely that Hutchison just kinda sucks than any significant psychological issue with pitching on the road or whatever
― francisF, Friday, 7 August 2015 14:52 (nine years ago) link
Gregg Zaun's keys to victory this weekend: "Pitch well, swing the bats like you're capable, catch the ball."
Joe Schultz himself couldn't have said it any better.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 August 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
I don't have a lot of faith in Bautista right now; he's probably still hurting, and when you mix in normal decline, he's pretty iffy in the three spot.
That was me, eight days ago. Bautista since: .294/.333/.706, 4 HR, 9 RBI.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2015 12:19 (nine years ago) link
Any other Blue Jays you don't have much faith in you'd care to list?!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 8 August 2015 18:52 (nine years ago) link
Justin Smoak!
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Ha!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 8 August 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link
Bautista faking out Ellsbury was beautiful.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
I'm totally fine with the blue jays just destroying everybody in the division, with the red sox being basically eliminated if not mathematically so
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 8 August 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link
also, yea, smoak, jesus christ
― slothroprhymes, Saturday, 8 August 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
first sweep in the bronx since '03
― mookieproof, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
Whoa! Game-and-a-half back. First time we've swept in Yankee Stadium since 2003, first time the Yankees were shut out back-to-back since '99 (against us, I think, but only partially heard that). When the Jays didn't score with the bases loaded and none out in the 7th, I was pretty sure that was the entire edifice crumbling down.
The wins aside, New York's bullpen is awesome.
― clemenza, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link
Winning is fun!
Pat and Buck said that our bullpen's peripherals (K/9 IP, etc) were just as good as the Yankees', and our relievers are overlooked because they get fewer save opportunities. I haven't tried to verify any of this yet.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
Our bullpen was great. It just seemed like the Yankees sent one monster after another out there: Betances/Wilson/Miller/Shreve are all striking out between 9.4-14.3 a game (and their H/9 range from 3.8-6.2), and watching them at work jibed with that.
― clemenza, Sunday, 9 August 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
never even heard of this Shreve guy.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 9 August 2015 22:47 (nine years ago) link
plz vanquish the Stanks
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 August 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
ok np.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 August 2015 03:04 (nine years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus
― nomar, Monday, 10 August 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
there is no baseball today and i don't know what to do with myself.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
Watch the CWS/LAA game and cheer for Chris Sale to put the Angels back another game (the more frontrunners losing games, the better the Jays odds)
Also has the added benefit of watching Chris Sale vs Mike Trout!
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
not a bad idea! Sale has not been the pitcher i was expecting this year tho.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
as in you were expecting him to suck? he's been pretty incredible. ignore the ERA. best FIP of his life, 11.7 k/9, 1.76 bb/9... and he makes dudes look dumb when you watch him, for real
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 10 August 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
He's been great for most of the year. He's had three disastrous starts: 22 runs in 13.1 innings. Take away those and his ERA's 2.35.
― clemenza, Monday, 10 August 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
i expected his ERA to be much better, but hadn't had a good look at his FIP – so i guess it's not as bad as i thought. had him pegged for the Cy this year!
and you can take away two starts for just about any pitcher and have them look much better. never really was a big fan of the "ignore these blow-outs and this guy is much better" argument with pitching.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 10 August 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
To me it's worth noting. It's just another way of zeroing in on how many times you gave your team a realistic chance to win. In 21 starts, Sale's had 15 quality starts; even more important, he's had 14 high-quality starts (not an official stat, I don't think--I count it as 7+ innings, 2- runs). Scherzer's had 16/23, Greinke 18/22. Sale falls somewhere between those two--the blowouts mask that.
― clemenza, Monday, 10 August 2015 22:08 (nine years ago) link
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-marcus-stroman-cleared-to-throw-off-mound/
Says if he does make it back, he'll be in the bullpen. So I guess we're stuck with Hutchinson--who obviously has talent enough to turn it around. I do agree with francis above that the home/road thing is likely arbitrary--I checked last year, and there was no such split (he was actually better on the road in '14).
― clemenza, Monday, 10 August 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link
What they're saying now is that he's having difficulty pitching from the stretch. That's why his FIP keeps telling us he's better than he is - because as soon as someone is on base, he falls apart.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 02:52 (nine years ago) link
Finally figured out who Josh Donaldson reminds me of: Mike Love, at least with his cap on. Could be worse, possibly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 00:30 (nine years ago) link
Yankees-Indians headed into the 15-inning. Hope we're down to a half-game when I wake up.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 03:49 (nine years ago) link
So let it be written; so let it be done.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 13:32 (nine years ago) link
Angels and O's both also lost!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
It's all too good to be true right now. I'll be interested to see what happens when they lose two or three in a row--I'm confident they'll be fine, but that will be the next hurdle.
I've watched so little Blue Jays baseball the past 15 years (at least), I'd forgotten how time-consuming it can be to actually care about a sports team.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
first place
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 13 August 2015 02:26 (nine years ago) link
thanks obama
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 August 2015 02:31 (nine years ago) link
thanks Osuna!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 August 2015 03:02 (nine years ago) link
This is fun.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 13 August 2015 07:12 (nine years ago) link
Fastest turnaround (14 games to go from -8.0 to +0.5) since the '82 Dodgers (13 games to go from -10.0 to +0.5). I checked back--wasn't paying much attention at the time, so I don't remember it--and eight of those games were head-to-head against the team ahead of them, the Braves. The Braves did win the division in the end...
I bought a few rookie cards online last week, including Sonny Gray. So I'm rooting for a 1-0 win today.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 August 2015 12:32 (nine years ago) link
ordering them online – what fun is that?!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 August 2015 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Wilner: "Sonny Gray scratched with back spasms...or Blue Jay-itis, whatever you want to call it."
Don't believe that for a second, but I did laugh.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
Night terrors more like it!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 13 August 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link