offseason 2015-16

seems low for him

I'd figure this deal probably sets the price for Johnny Cueto. Thing with Cueto is going long term as while he has pitched a lot of innings, he's also had a couple of injuries.

I'm thinking some of the free agency got a bit high dollar in the pitching and with the total amount of starters available, it could fall back especially for the last ones left on the board. It hasn't happened as much lately with starting pitchers as with position players, but you could find some of them fall back and maybe have to settle into 1 or 2 year deals.

I think the leverage the players had getting those crazy long and expensive deals might not be there like it was a few years back.

Someone told me that the reason people might overpay for pitching this year is because next year's FA market is BAD for pitching

i'd feel like a real dummy if i read that in this thread and was just repeating it

not sure we're seeing any overpaying. pitchers are obviously more prone to catastrophic injury, but zimmermann has averaged 4 war over his last five seasons. the two blue jays signings seem more tenuous -- happ put up 2.4 WAR in just 11 starts for the pirates; maybe he's figured something out or maybe not, while estrada benefited from an extraordinarily low BABIP -- but not outrageous with a win costing around what, $7m? starting pitching is expensive af

I don't think anything is extraordinarily overpriced yet but i'm saying it COULD get crazy due to next year's drought. maybe i should just find that article, huh.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/16/9743932/mlb-free-agency-rumors-trade-2016-2017

@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #RedSox in agreement with free-agent outfielder Chris Young on a multi-year contract, pending a physical.

cardinals sign brayan pena to be the primary catcher for september/october in anticipation of yet another season of promising to give yadier molina more rest, failing to do so, and then being shocked at a late season injury

Reassuring when Mike Ilitch praises his GM during a press conference for having "a lot of contacts."

hehehe

http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25395692/barry-bonds-is-under-consideration-to-be-a-marlins-hitting-coach

_@Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #RedSox in agreement with free-agent outfielder Chris Young on a multi-year contract, pending a physical._

--mookieproof

really don't understand this one

joba to cleveland on a minor league deal

https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bw-03-bug-spray-1128.jpg

xp self well 2 years isn't bad, was worried dombpoutski was gonna shell out for longer

that joba pic is so good

byung-ho park to the twinkies

Pena going to the Cards sux. He's a good backup catcher.

@PeteAbe
#RedSox in agreement with David Price. 7 years and $217 million.

phew (at least the cubs didn't get him)

fangraphs crowdsourced prediction (7 years, 196 million) wasn't too far off.

opt-out after three years

are opt-outs becoming more common? it's speculated that the heyward contract will likely also include one

seems like it, for the biggest names. they can see how much money is pouring in

@BNightengale
The St. Louis Cardinals finished runner-up in the David Price sweepstakes. #STLCards

thank god

it would have been pretty cool to watch Price for a couple years but paying 30 million/yr for a pitcher's decline years seems like an overpay, especially when the elevated risk of pitcher injury is taken into account. i know it's not a perfect comparison, but look at someone like cc sabathia, signed to a 5 year contract at age 30 (the same as price is now), and with an impressive resume before then. the first year of his contract (2012) was alright but ever since then it's been a nosedive. just seems too risky.

much better to use that money to get Heyward's prime years.

https://twitter.com/greghoward88/status/671813099427602437

assuming all goes well, the key will be to let him walk after three years (and if all goes well, he no doubt will). if the yankees had done so when sabathia opted out, they'd be golden

price will be a year older then than greinke is now

@jcrasnick
Sources say Greinke is looking for a 5 or 6 yr deal. He wants AAV above Price. That means $31.5M or $32M a year.

greinke has been good and teams are rich, but i'd rather have price

price essentially got kershaw's deal plus a couple million

1 million per start, basically?

Glad the Giants 'missed out' on this one. That kind of overpay is scary, we already have an ace.

if you're optimistic, 31 mill per 35 starts, avg 88 pitches per start, = $10,000 per pitch

dave cameron is optimistic http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/red-sox-sign-david-price/

the one thing that would make me nervous is that they had to agree to pay him the most money ever for a pitcher AND they had to give him a 3 year opt out, which pushes a lot of risk onto the team

it should have either been the most money ever for a pitcher or a slightly below market deal with an opt out

anyway maybe the best case scenario is they get three good years out of him, he goes back on the market and someone else gives him enough money that even the red sox aren't interested

Price’s deal dwarfs what had been the largest contract for a Red Sox pitcher, both by average annual value and total cost. The previous high was a four-year, $82.5 million extension given to Rick Porcello in April.

i forgot that porcello deal was that much

can't wait for Harper's free agency guys

it's going to be 400 millions + all of our homes

Price turned down a 7 year 200m contract from St. Louis. Not clear if there was an opt out.. But fuck dude I would take 3-4m less a year and not have to deal with red sox fans/media/etc

I'm fine missing out on Price. I just wish we weren't trying piece together a whole six-pack of Drew Hutchisons.

god are they really paying porcello $20 million a year

maybe price was scared of batting

Price turned down a 7 year 200m contract from St. Louis. Not clear if there was an opt out.. But fuck dude I would take 3-4m less a year and not have to deal with red sox fans/media/etc
--carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries)

rude!!!!!

anyway w/e it's all good obv it was great for say the Nats to get scherzer and like be World Series favorites that worked out perfectly obv

*screaming internally*

but seriously it's dope I mean fuck it spend it if you got it and let's see what happens

right, who cares about the money, there's no salary cap

ilitch's kids probably care

right, who cares about the money, there's no salary cap
--k3vin k.

aren't you a yankees fan, I mean they haven't done that very recently but in general, like, cmon man

if i was a red sox fan i would be far more concerned about dombrowski trading away the farm system than i would on him spending $200m on one of the best pitchers of a generation

and so far he's traded exactly one prospect that I actually had any expectations for (margot) and three others who were m/l coin flips, and has left the best pieces intact. there isn't much else that needs to be acquired other than maybe another solid bullpen guy, and they wouldn't need to trade to get that in all likelihood