seems low for him
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 29 November 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
I'd figure this deal probably sets the price for Johnny Cueto. Thing with Cueto is going long term as while he has pitched a lot of innings, he's also had a couple of injuries.
I'm thinking some of the free agency got a bit high dollar in the pitching and with the total amount of starters available, it could fall back especially for the last ones left on the board. It hasn't happened as much lately with starting pitchers as with position players, but you could find some of them fall back and maybe have to settle into 1 or 2 year deals.
I think the leverage the players had getting those crazy long and expensive deals might not be there like it was a few years back.
― earlnash, Sunday, 29 November 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
Someone told me that the reason people might overpay for pitching this year is because next year's FA market is BAD for pitching
― nerd shit (Will M.), Monday, 30 November 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link
i'd feel like a real dummy if i read that in this thread and was just repeating it
― nerd shit (Will M.), Monday, 30 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
not sure we're seeing any overpaying. pitchers are obviously more prone to catastrophic injury, but zimmermann has averaged 4 war over his last five seasons. the two blue jays signings seem more tenuous -- happ put up 2.4 WAR in just 11 starts for the pirates; maybe he's figured something out or maybe not, while estrada benefited from an extraordinarily low BABIP -- but not outrageous with a win costing around what, $7m? starting pitching is expensive af
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
I don't think anything is extraordinarily overpriced yet but i'm saying it COULD get crazy due to next year's drought. maybe i should just find that article, huh.
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/16/9743932/mlb-free-agency-rumors-trade-2016-2017
― nerd shit (Will M.), Monday, 30 November 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
@Ken_RosenthalSources: #RedSox in agreement with free-agent outfielder Chris Young on a multi-year contract, pending a physical.
― mookieproof, Monday, 30 November 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
cardinals sign brayan pena to be the primary catcher for september/october in anticipation of yet another season of promising to give yadier molina more rest, failing to do so, and then being shocked at a late season injury
― Karl Malone, Monday, 30 November 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
Reassuring when Mike Ilitch praises his GM during a press conference for having "a lot of contacts."
― Andy K, Monday, 30 November 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link
hehehe
http://mweb.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25395692/barry-bonds-is-under-consideration-to-be-a-marlins-hitting-coach
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 November 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link
_@Ken_RosenthalSources: #RedSox in agreement with free-agent outfielder Chris Young on a multi-year contract, pending a physical._ --mookieproof
--mookieproof
really don't understand this one
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
joba to cleveland on a minor league deal
https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bw-03-bug-spray-1128.jpg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link
xp self well 2 years isn't bad, was worried dombpoutski was gonna shell out for longer
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link
that joba pic is so good
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link
byung-ho park to the twinkies
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
Pena going to the Cards sux. He's a good backup catcher.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
@PeteAbe#RedSox in agreement with David Price. 7 years and $217 million.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
phew (at least the cubs didn't get him)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link
fangraphs crowdsourced prediction (7 years, 196 million) wasn't too far off.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
opt-out after three years
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
are opt-outs becoming more common? it's speculated that the heyward contract will likely also include one
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link
seems like it, for the biggest names. they can see how much money is pouring in
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link
@BNightengaleThe St. Louis Cardinals finished runner-up in the David Price sweepstakes. #STLCards
thank god
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
it would have been pretty cool to watch Price for a couple years but paying 30 million/yr for a pitcher's decline years seems like an overpay, especially when the elevated risk of pitcher injury is taken into account. i know it's not a perfect comparison, but look at someone like cc sabathia, signed to a 5 year contract at age 30 (the same as price is now), and with an impressive resume before then. the first year of his contract (2012) was alright but ever since then it's been a nosedive. just seems too risky.
much better to use that money to get Heyward's prime years.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/greghoward88/status/671813099427602437
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
assuming all goes well, the key will be to let him walk after three years (and if all goes well, he no doubt will). if the yankees had done so when sabathia opted out, they'd be golden
price will be a year older then than greinke is now
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link
@jcrasnickSources say Greinke is looking for a 5 or 6 yr deal. He wants AAV above Price. That means $31.5M or $32M a year.
greinke has been good and teams are rich, but i'd rather have price
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
price essentially got kershaw's deal plus a couple million
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
1 million per start, basically?
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
Glad the Giants 'missed out' on this one. That kind of overpay is scary, we already have an ace.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
if you're optimistic, 31 mill per 35 starts, avg 88 pitches per start, = $10,000 per pitch
― nerd shit (Will M.), Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
dave cameron is optimistic http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/red-sox-sign-david-price/
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:49 (eight years ago) link
the one thing that would make me nervous is that they had to agree to pay him the most money ever for a pitcher AND they had to give him a 3 year opt out, which pushes a lot of risk onto the team
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:50 (eight years ago) link
it should have either been the most money ever for a pitcher or a slightly below market deal with an opt out
anyway maybe the best case scenario is they get three good years out of him, he goes back on the market and someone else gives him enough money that even the red sox aren't interested
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
Price’s deal dwarfs what had been the largest contract for a Red Sox pitcher, both by average annual value and total cost. The previous high was a four-year, $82.5 million extension given to Rick Porcello in April.
― nomar, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:57 (eight years ago) link
i forgot that porcello deal was that much
can't wait for Harper's free agency guys
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 December 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link
it's going to be 400 millions + all of our homes
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:00 (eight years ago) link
Price turned down a 7 year 200m contract from St. Louis. Not clear if there was an opt out.. But fuck dude I would take 3-4m less a year and not have to deal with red sox fans/media/etc
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:19 (eight years ago) link
I'm fine missing out on Price. I just wish we weren't trying piece together a whole six-pack of Drew Hutchisons.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:23 (eight years ago) link
god are they really paying porcello $20 million a year
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link
maybe price was scared of batting
― nerd shit (Will M.), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link
Price turned down a 7 year 200m contract from St. Louis. Not clear if there was an opt out.. But fuck dude I would take 3-4m less a year and not have to deal with red sox fans/media/etc --carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries)
rude!!!!!
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
anyway w/e it's all good obv it was great for say the Nats to get scherzer and like be World Series favorites that worked out perfectly obv
*screaming internally*
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:06 (eight years ago) link
but seriously it's dope I mean fuck it spend it if you got it and let's see what happens
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link
right, who cares about the money, there's no salary cap
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
ilitch's kids probably care
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:18 (eight years ago) link
right, who cares about the money, there's no salary cap --k3vin k.
aren't you a yankees fan, I mean they haven't done that very recently but in general, like, cmon man
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:35 (eight years ago) link
if i was a red sox fan i would be far more concerned about dombrowski trading away the farm system than i would on him spending $200m on one of the best pitchers of a generation
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
and so far he's traded exactly one prospect that I actually had any expectations for (margot) and three others who were m/l coin flips, and has left the best pieces intact. there isn't much else that needs to be acquired other than maybe another solid bullpen guy, and they wouldn't need to trade to get that in all likelihood
― metro slothrop want some more (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 01:50 (eight years ago) link