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well it appears that Walker and Cabrera are both below-avg defenders, so no paradigm shift after all

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 December 2015 12:01 (eight years ago) link

@joe_sheehan
Asdrubal Cabrera and Michael Cuddyer will make almost $20 million in 2016. #mets

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 December 2015 12:43 (eight years ago) link

walker's not that bad a defender. and anecdotally he makes better decisions than murph, which isn't saying much but still

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 December 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link

Tanner of the Bad News Bears made better decisions than DM

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 December 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link

‏@Ken_Rosenthal 28m
Source: Sipp with #Astros is three years, $18M.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

padres made two rule 5 picks, then traded for two others. strange

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

cardinals signed jonathan broxton to a two-year deal . . . with a full no-trade clause

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link

...

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link

but why

Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV5HT8aWUAAhHUj.png

lol

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 December 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link

hehe

J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 December 2015 22:04 (eight years ago) link

The Orioles have pulled back their free-agent offer to Chris Davis for nearly $150 million as the team tries to go about its business, with or without the slugger, a source told ESPN.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 December 2015 05:51 (eight years ago) link

i don't think i see headlines like that nearly enough: "Team says 'Fuck it.'"

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 December 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV9rDScUYAA05kq.jpg

yesssssss

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

sounds like J-Hey is a Small Bear

my lord, the Cards fans moaning on twitter.

bnw, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link

it's like they're introducing their new creation just before they activate it

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link

lol. Greink-bot is now ready for your voice activated queries.

bnw, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link

this was posted on the cardinals SB blog the other day, imagining the worst-case scenario of heyward joining the cubs:

http://i.imgur.com/R0Qg19w.png

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link

good lord

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link

http://twiki.org/p/pub/TWiki/SmiliesPlugin/love.gif

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link

it is an impressive line-up. great time to be a cubs fan

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:20 (eight years ago) link

@BestFansStLouis running wild

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 8m8 minutes ago

#Cubs have agreed to terms with Jason Heyward, multiple sources say, and are not done yet. They are trying to trade for a starting pitcher.

franklin, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

cld still be fun in store for small bears

franklin, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

Baseball's Best Fans Retweeted

Zachary ‏@zachEdwards10
Heyward is a trader

The Good Beard Haver ‏@HarrisNye 13m13 minutes ago
Smh Jason heyward another classless trader who values money over winning

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link

i'll feel better when we get the Cubbies picks... and then they get taken away for the hacking.

bnw, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link

Cards need to sign Cueto now

frogbs, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link

no thanks

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link

he's the one player where personal things (like him ending a player's career and not really giving a shit about it) get in the way of the practical.

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link

I'm just in it for the Twitter

frogbs, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

the Best Fans thing continues to annoy me because, i mean, just listen to any sports radio call-in show, anywhere. but yeah the moaning on various messageboards and twitter and elsewhere is nauseating right now. "heyward betrayed us" waaaaaaaah

people keep tossing out a 6 yr/190 million figure (who knows the source of this) as the cubs winning offer, and taking this as evidence that heyward took less money to play for the cubs than the cardinals offered (assuming cardinals offered 200+). if that figure is true, it's $31.6 million/yr, and puts him in line to enter free agency again in his age 31 year. and it's likely that the teams that offered 200 or more (nationals, probably the cardinals, maybe others) offered 200 over 8 or 9 years.

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

i believe the phrase is "heyward betraded us"

nerd shit (Will M.), Friday, 11 December 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link

http://sportsmockery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Cardinals-fan.jpg

earlnash, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah, fans are just as bad everywhere. but those fans aren't Best.

sounds like he took slightly less than the cards/nats offered. and why not, as the cubs are fucking loaded and winning for the first time in a century would make him a folk hero

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

Zobrist - Heyward - Bryant - Rizzo - Schwarber is a O_O top of a lineup

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

Jason Heyward is an upgrade on Fowler and there is that potential that Heyward could take his power to that next level, but it is more with the glove than the bat. The thing is that with the glove, Heyward hasn't played all that much CF. He's played some, but they always say it's a different beast than the corners, so perhaps that dWAR advantage might even out a bit especially with Schwarber being a black hole in left field (unless he really improves).

earlnash, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link

The Cards could probably break even talent wise and ahead money wise by getting Fowler and another starting pitcher with the money they were going to put at Heyward.

Cards have had some good fortune at finding players later in the free agent trade window before spring training.

earlnash, Friday, 11 December 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link

as a fan of neither team, it's kind of amusing to see these cardinal free agents go to the archenemy

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link

yeah, the applause (occasional standing ovation) that traditionally takes place when the cardinals face a former teammate for the first time will be a little different this year when the Cardinals face Heyward and Lackey.

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link

@neal_kendrick
The Cubs should keep Heyward in AAA for 2 weeks to start the season. Try and get that 9th year our of him.

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

word is 8/180, though sure to have an opt-out or two

franklin, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

8/184*, rather

franklin, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

two opt-outs!

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link

Karl, what do you think the Cardinals are going to do at first base? Cards could stand pat with Piscotty and Adams but I think those guys could be chips to use to trade too.

I figure Grichuk moves into RF on a regular basis. Not sure what the Cards are going to do in CF with Jay and Bourjos moving on.

earlnash, Friday, 11 December 2015 19:55 (eight years ago) link

it's really tough to predict because they could go a bunch of different ways. i really hope they don't overcompensate for losing heyward by giving a guy like chris davis a ton of money, but you never know.

assuming no big free agent purchases, i think they'll go with a mathenymess at 1B with adams, piscotty, and moss all being used in a baffling manner, all depending on how each of them has done over the past 2 games, and how well they "matchup" against a pitcher they've faced probably only 4 or 5 times.

i'd assume most days they'll be going with Piscotty in RF and Grichuk in CF. i think they like Tommy Pham quite a bit (so do i), so assuming he manages to avoid injury he'd be in the mix as well.

the cardinal fan moaning is annoying because they're still a good team, even without Heyward. they'll probably still win 90 or so. but given that the cubs have the potential to just have a bonkers-good season, i guess it'll be the wild card for us.

Karl Malone, Friday, 11 December 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link

Barves send Christian Bethancourt to SD for RHP Casey Kelly and C Ricardo Rodriguez. Bethancourt was horrible last year, Atl's well rid of him. The rocket arm doesn't count for much when he can't frame pitches, receive the baseball, or agree with pitchers on what to throw next. Middling bat, too.

I think the Braves should trade Freddie Freeman if they can get good value for him. I'm not convinced his right wrist is ever going to be 100% ready to go, and his obliques can't seem to withstand the torque of his swing.

Phlegm Snopes (WilliamC), Friday, 11 December 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link

also, lol @ cards fans

Phlegm Snopes (WilliamC), Friday, 11 December 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link

i think freeman could be the barves' david wright? atlanta suddenly has an insane group of pitching prospects -- with any luck some of them will turn into degrom or matz or syndergaard -- and swanson should move fairly quickly. freeman isn't ~cheap~, but he's a known cost, still young, and the youth of everyone else means they can afford him.

that said, i don't know anything about his health issues, but in 118 games last year he was still worth the forthcoming fat part of his contract

mookieproof, Friday, 11 December 2015 22:32 (eight years ago) link

Hmm yeah, I like that Wright/Mets comparison.

Phlegm Snopes (WilliamC), Friday, 11 December 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link

chris davis gives me ryan howard chills, i think any team giving him a long contract is going to have to deal with the last half of his contract averaging out .230/.320/.410 per year or something close to that.

nomar, Friday, 11 December 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link


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