http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26113134/padres-sign-veteran-reliever-warren-1-year-deal
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 March 2019 04:40 (five years ago) link
Twins should pounce on Keuchel and Kimbrel.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 March 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
Keuchel must feel so dumb for turning down that $90M/5 extension from the Astros.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
I think I’d be more mad at the agent, who is supposed to know these things
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:28 (five years ago) link
that agent is scott boras
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:37 (five years ago) link
iirc his former agent was the one who declined the $90/5 and that Boras is the new agent.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 18:55 (five years ago) link
adam jones 1-year, $3 million with diamondbacks
― na (NA), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:59 (five years ago) link
alex bregman
he Astros and All-Star third baseman Alex Bregman have agreed to a five-year, $100 million contract extension, a source told MLB.com on Tuesday.
...His extension will cover his three arbitration years (2020-22) and his first two years of free agency (2023-24). Bregman will be entering his age-30 season when the contract expires.
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 06:42 (five years ago) link
Gio Gonzalez said the #Yankees deal was the only offer he got.— Brendan Kuty (@BrendanKutyNJ) March 20, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link
Top outfield prospect Eloy Jimenez and the Chicago White Sox are finalizing a long-term deal, league sources tell ESPN.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) March 20, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
it's gonna be like 10 years $27 million
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
sounds like six years + two club options for around $40m?
following the trail blazed by jon singleton and scott kingery
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
oh wait
Eloy Jimenez’s contract with the #WhiteSox is expected to max out at 8 years and valued between $75-80 million.— Jesse Sanchez (@JesseSanchezMLB) March 20, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
would this remove the benefit of service-time manipulation, because if so i'm in favor
― na (NA), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
Isn't that Alex Bregman deal an absolute steal for the Astros? He's 25, so they get his six prime years for $17-M/season. What I am I missing?...I'm surprised he signed, unless he envisions a protracted strike.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:30 (five years ago) link
The two arbitration years they're buying out lower the average, but after that he's basically making 30 per. Not too shabby but certainly below his value.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 23:38 (five years ago) link
maybe he's taking the douchebag discount
― heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 21 March 2019 00:27 (five years ago) link
Any neo-classical economist who truly believe that a subject is always self-interested and rational should look at Bregman's contract.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:58 (five years ago) link
or trout's
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:18 (five years ago) link
Cardinals reportedly nearing extension with goldschmidt worth $130M
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Thursday, 21 March 2019 22:19 (five years ago) link
extensions are the new free agency
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 21 March 2019 22:36 (five years ago) link
The cardinal fans in Jupiter FL must have given him a super nice standing ovation on his first plate appearance #bfib
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Thursday, 21 March 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
Extensions have been replacing free agency for a while now. Mauer and Votto's extensions (with "small market" teams) are two good examples of contracts that were unimaginable just a few years earlier.
Bregman becomes a free agent at age 30 and in another era would be poised to get a windfall 6-7 year deal. But in this era who knows. I can't blame him for wanting to eliminate those distractions for the next five years, in any case he's set for life. This was basically Aaron Nola's reasoning too and he signed for less than half of what Bregman got.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 22 March 2019 03:58 (five years ago) link
So many extensions happening that Snell's $50M/5 got buried.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 22 March 2019 05:08 (five years ago) link
Sale $150M/5
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 22 March 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
Lol at Sale outperforming Snell x3 in the next 5 yrs
― heinrich boll weevil (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 March 2019 18:05 (five years ago) link
Verlander gets a $66 million extension with the Astros covering 2020-21
― but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:46 (five years ago) link
whoops
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/ronald-acuna-jr-s-new-contract-is-staggering/
Players simply haven’t given up four free agent seasons this far from free agency, especially players of Acuña’s caliber. A guarantee for half that amount that ensured that Acuña hit free agency in his 20s likely would have been a better deal for Acuña and a positive deal for the Braves. This deal isn’t a steal because of the system that players and owners have set up. This is a deal that, even within that system, will likely prevent Acuña from ever being paid at a level anywhere near his true on-field value.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 01:01 (five years ago) link
this isn't one of the ones that really gets me riled up... it's true that if acuna continues on this trajectory it will be a bargain for the braves but if he doesn't then it's a huge score for him. the exchanging of risk by both parties on this one seems pretty equal to me and at the end of the day the guy is getting $100 million (pre tax...)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
obv the system that necessitates these deals in the first place needs to be overturned but there is always a rush to call these deals huge wins for the team but like... does anyone think gregory polanco is a huge steal on what is essentially the 3/24 left on the extension he signed in 2016? development timelines are wacky
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
i've seen that argument before and it feels like it's based on a concept of "value" that is just the player's potential positive impact over the course of the contract. but every one of these longer-term contracts is based on a market value that balances potential long-term positive impact with potential risk. the risk is factored into the value. and even with that risk factored in, acuna (and trout, and probably other players) are still being underpaid based on that value.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:11 (five years ago) link
xpost
Obviously some of these contracts suck but in the greater national context of pay inequity it's very hard for me to get worked up about. We're talking about a little more than 600 employees whose average salary is $3.5 million (!)
Alll this indignation would be more productively aimed at perpetrators in the real world. The average salary for CEO at an S&P 500 firm is >350x that of the average laborer.
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:16 (five years ago) link
the players have a legit union w/ real leverage that will serve them again in time, which is more than can be said for almost all the rest of us
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:18 (five years ago) link
i am capable of being indignant about more than one thing
― na (NA), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:33 (five years ago) link
great facebook post though
you are special, most humans have finite resources of time and energy
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:36 (five years ago) link
xp thanks!
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
gregory polanco did not put up 4 war and win rookie of the year as a 20yo (and even 2 war/season, as polanco did last year, is more than enough to justify his contract).
it's hard to blame acuna -- he's a 21yo kid from venezuela who is now more than set for life. but i don't think the braves are taking on much risk at all. this might be an optimistic example, but mookie got $10m in his first year of arbitration and $20m in his second; acuna has locked himself into less than that for his entire prime. maybe the free agent system is irreparably broken and we don't know what 1 war is worth in an unopen market, but if we go by $8m-$9m, all the braves are risking is that acuna won't be worth 2 war per season throughout his 20s.
anyway, acuna's rich, braves ownership gets to keep more money, so it goes
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:37 (five years ago) link
Beetlejuice: The in-unison chorus of “Acuna getting $100M is a ripoff” is a bit troubling to me. Why do so many media Acuna should immediately adopt their opinion because they “know better.” He’s trying to do what’s best for him and his family and everyone’s risk preference is different. (Even if it’s team friendly – the current landscape of media combativeness is no bueno)
Meg Rowley: The deal is hilariously light for talented a player. I think we can recognize why an individual wants to be set for life while still bemoaning the incentives at work that inspired him to sign such a deal.
The media’s job isn’t to be conciliatory toward teams. Our job is to properly assess and analyze baseball news.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:44 (five years ago) link
i have a side question but has anyone done any mathy articles describing why everyone places a "dollar value" on WAR as if it's geometric and not e.g. logarithmic? like why is a 9-WAR player worth 3 times a 3-WAR player? is it because there are so many players on a team + a multi-year deal means even more players over time?
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:03 (five years ago) link
also i'm not a math boss so idk if i am using geometric and logarithmic right. i don't even know if i'm spelling the last one right. i'm a fuckin mess
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
linear vs log is what you're looking for.
Wins are measured integrally, so it lends itself to the linear scale.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:31 (five years ago) link
cubs extend ... david bote? through ... 2024?
― na (NA), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:00 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D208mp_X0AAi8g4.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:52 (five years ago) link