yeah... HOU always studying pitch tipping.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpxkTbNbG-w
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:01 (four years ago) link
538's odds for tomorrow: Houston 52%, Washington 48%.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:13 (four years ago) link
Martinez says he didn't like it when Bregman carried the bat to first, nor--surprise--did he like it when Soto did the same. He says he'll have a talk with Soto.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:17 (four years ago) link
That’s as bad as it gets. Rewarding a bad stretch and a bad throw.— Josh Donaldson (@BringerOfRain20) October 30, 2019
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 04:33 (four years ago) link
Scherzer announced as the SP for Game 7. I have no clue how he can pitch after not being able to dress himself two days ago, that must have been one hell of a cortisone shot. Still, 70% of Scherzer is better than anyone else the Nats could put out there.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 06:31 (four years ago) link
Juan Soto on MLB Network, on mimicking Alex Bregman's bat drop: "I just told it to myself, as soon as I saw that, what Bregman did in the first inning, I was like 'that was pretty cool, I want to do that!'"— Blake Finney (@FinneyBlake) October 30, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 06:31 (four years ago) link
Here's that talk:
"If you hit a homer in Game 7, you can do whatever the fuck you want.""Cool."
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 06:50 (four years ago) link
Torre said Turner was called out because he interfered with Gurriel trying to catch the ball by running into Gurriel's glove
nope
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:17 (four years ago) link
Here's the Soto interview, it's great, especially Pedro:
https://www.mlb.com/video/mlb-tonight-soto-talks-game-6?t=mlb-tonight
Saw an interview with Bregman last night that was interesting. He said he got caught up in his emotions, shouldn't have done it, apologized, and said he deserved Soto mimicking him. Seemed genuine to me, although someone else might find it calculating. Not sure why some of you hate Bregman all of a sudden--too much Steve Garvey/Gary Carter?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:34 (four years ago) link
my own hatred for Bregman is not recent or sudden
he's just a prick
Here’s the full Alex Bregman commentary about the #Astros and primetime games. So much swag. pic.twitter.com/iaaO5OgB0y— Ben DuBose (@BenDuBose) October 8, 2018
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:41 (four years ago) link
FanGraphs:
10:46 Guest: Why call interference when he didn’t impact the throw at all??
10:46 Ben Clemens: They just felt like it, it seems.
10:59 bosoxforlife: The umpire is Sam Holbrook who made the infamous infield fly call against the Braves in the 2012 WC game.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:41 (four years ago) link
xp he's frighteningly good though
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:43 (four years ago) link
lol that was a weird thing to say but I can't hate him for it
honestly hard to blame any of these guys for not respecting decorum during the postseason, especially when you're a 20 year old putting up insane numbers
― frogbs, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
I don't mind the styling so much...just really don't like the cut of his job or his douchey twitter game
lol aspiring to the fame of Tiger Woods and Floyd Mayweather of all ppl
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 11:54 (four years ago) link
job=jib
If Washington wins, dumb when I said the MVP would be between Strasburg and Rendon last night. Obviously, Soto would be very much a contender, if not the favourite.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
Eaton's in there too if the Nationals win--the three of them are close enough that one huge game (or a key late-game hit) would move that guy to the top of the list. I assume they wouldn't bring Strasburg in for even one batter? I think you'll see Cole at some point.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
Stras seems out of the question
no idea how to look this up but I don't think I've ever seen a starter go in relief after starting a day or two before
Bumgarner did something like that in 2014 but I believe he was on 2 days rest at least
― frogbs, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
Handwringing about the MVP before game 7 is what I've come to expect out of this board. It's almost as if whomever performs best tonight might take the honors!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link
handwringing about awards is something many of us eschew, except of course whoever has the most WPA should automatically get it in a short series
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
In 2001, Randy Johnson pitched in relief in Game 7 (and was credited with the win!) the day after starting and winning Game 6.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
If Nats win mvp goes to Morbs for believing.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
not so much believing as having seen many series turn on a hairpin
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
Take a compliment dear
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
Corbin/Hudson/Doolittle all ready for tonight I suppose.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
i am still on record for Soto to hit two in tonight's win
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT: Academy Award-winning Actor and Astros Fan Matthew McConaughey will announce “Play Ball!” before Game 7 first pitch.— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) October 30, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
"Handwringing"? Like I'm sitting here worrying about it? Jesus...the average baseball fan does speculate about these things in the downtime between games. I mean, if you'd prefer, we could continue to argue about the Turner play that ultimately had zero impact on the result (unless you want to argue that the delay hurt the Houston reliever).
From everything I've looked at online, he's available for a batter or two.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
I like the EW podcast today, with Ben and Sam agreeing that the Turner play that ultimately had zero impact on the result was a bad call.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1450-play-loud-and-dont-carry-a-big-stick/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
I'll go with what Jeff Blair said on a call-in here: the right call on a terrible rule.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
(Blair also said--and this is neither here nor there in relation to last night, just a point of interest--that Cliff Floyd's career basically ended on a similar play.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
fangraphs has camera angles and historical examples: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-dumb-rule-almost-ruined-the-world-series
this, from the fryman-knoblauch incident, would seem to be the wisest take
The Yankees blamed Hendry for not calling Fryman out for interference, but Jim Evans, the crew chief, explained that no matter what Fryman’s path to first was, the ball hit him as he stepped on or was about to step on the base and he was entitled to be in fair territory when he reached the base because the base was in fair territory.
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
The rule even says you have latitude if you're AT the base.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
ILB's most beloved baseball writer, Bill James, agrees:
"Every rule, in baseball or in law, has to be read with an understanding of the intent of the rule. Basically, the umpires--and those who are unfortunately defending them today--are trying to read with the rule without acknowledging its intent."
And:
"The best way to handle it is for the umpire to make an announcement: 'I called the play incorrectly last night, and I'm very relieved that it did not change the outcome of the game.' If he just does that, then the controversy goes away, and you can quietly clarify the rule."
It's all moot. (They were, on the broadcast I was watching--Buck Martinez and the other guy--talking about the effect the delay might have on the Houston reliever; not after-the-fact, but during the delay.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:56 (four years ago) link
reminds me a lot of the NFL's "catch" rules which has all sorts of bizarre clauses. I remember a Lions/Bears game where Calvin Johnson made this incredible game-winning catch over a defender and maintained clear control of the ball, but set the ball down a little too quickly to go celebrate so it was ruled incomplete. struck me as one of the worst rulings I'd ever seen in professional sports even if ***technically*** it was the correct ruling
maybe the umps, just like the guys managing the teams, tend to just overthink things in the World Series
― frogbs, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
"It was not unlike watching Atlantis rise again from the sea, the bones of its kings new-covered with flesh."
George Will: "He ostentatiously carried his bat all the way to first base before discarding it. This was preening. Which is an infectious virus." https://t.co/T0MAjt9lCx— Dan Steinberg (@dcsportsbog) October 30, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
when Babe Ruth called the home run that was great and very humble.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
he was actually pointing toward someone breaking an unwritten rule of baseball in the bleachers
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:42 (four years ago) link
"stop that man", he reportedly said while pointing to the offender, "his uncouth actions will destroy the foundations of our gentlemanly sport"
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
he then tried to murder that man with a home run, but failed
Just out of curiosity--and I hope this is acceptable between-game ephemera--I went through Game 7s looking for HOF starting-pitcher match-ups. It's a short list:
2019 – Scherzer/Greinke (assuming they're both headed there)2001 – Clemens/Schilling1991 – Morris/Smoltz1926 – Haines/Hoyt
Koufax and Kaat in '65 is close. Have to put Scherzer/Greinke as the second-best ever.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:54 (four years ago) link
Easily the most likable.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
Jesse Haines and Waite Hoyt were very in-demand at parties and get-togethers.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
All praise to KM for the Ruth sequence above.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
the veracity of the 'called shot' remains a Question
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
Proof that I've got this HOF in my head that exists apart from the actual HOF--totally forgot that neither Clemens nor Schilling are in there. So really there have only been two such match-ups; clearly Clemens/Schilling was far and away the best regardless.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link
...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
It's amazing how many regular dudes there were that started Game 7s. Johnny Kucks won Game 7 for the Yankees in '56 with a three-hit shutout.
― timellison, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 23:08 (four years ago) link
This must have been some game:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN196210160.shtml
― timellison, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link