if i had just read that in a tweet, i would not have believed it.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:40 (two years ago) link
third time neither game 1 starter has gotten through three
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link
damnit Swanson why didn't you ever do that against Milwaukee
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:10 (two years ago) link
Wow,at the Morton news
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:19 (two years ago) link
Morton out remainder of WS from that comebacker
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:20 (two years ago) link
whoa, that really sucks for him
surprised that error on the would-be double play didn't cost Atlanta more. typically that's something that turns a game around
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
You want to talk about tough: Charlie Morton struck out Chas McCormick, got Martin Maldonado to line out and struck out Jose Altuve pitching on a broken leg.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) October 27, 2021
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:27 (two years ago) link
how the hell is that possible
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
Is a fracture the same as broken?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
yes
― aegis philbin (crüt), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:39 (two years ago) link
Well that was a goofy infield hit
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:43 (two years ago) link
How can they not get him out ar home?
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:49 (two years ago) link
Weak arm, horrible throw
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:50 (two years ago) link
Lol that would’ve been out in nearly every other park
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link
Rosario is an amazing player, what the hell are the Garidians thinking letting him go
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 04:04 (two years ago) link
*Guardians
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 04:07 (two years ago) link
Gardenias
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 05:13 (two years ago) link
because rosario will be a free agent in 10 days
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 06:47 (two years ago) link
Game 2
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 October 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link
Much better start
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 October 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link
Last night I forgot about 4K, today I signed in and watching my first 4K sporting event
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 October 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link
Pretty sweet to look at tbh
Last year's Super Bowl was not available in 4K for Android TV they have upgraded that this year
― Bee OK, Thursday, 28 October 2021 00:41 (two years ago) link
feel like that's an out basically always in the regular season, cool that they finally got this right
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 October 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
Maybe this is a hangover from the Jays' near-miss, but I haven't had any interest in this series thus far.
― clemenza, Thursday, 28 October 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link
(I'm always posting about not watching a lot of baseball, but I usually make an exception for the WS.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 28 October 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/10/28/braves-chop-world-series-atlanta/
When the World Series shifts to Atlanta for Game 3 on Friday night, television viewers will see a pocket of resistance. While other professional sports franchises have backed away from or removed ties to Native American imagery, the Atlanta Braves have retrenched. In late innings and key moments, fans yell a faux war chant and swing their arms in a ritual known as the “tomahawk chop.” At Truist Park, which opened in 2017, a giant neon tomahawk beyond the center field fence slashes along with the crowd. Fans can dine at the Coors Light Chop House overlooking right field.After years of colleges and high schools retiring Native American mascots, sometimes as required under state law, the past 18 months have seen a change at the highest level of sports. Under pressure from corporate sponsors in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and the national reckoning it sparked, the Washington Football Team ditched its former name, which is defined as a slur. The Cleveland Indians, who already had banished their caricature logo, will be known as the Guardians starting next year.With the World Series spotlight on the franchise for the first time since 1999, the Braves are viewed by advocates as a holdout amid an overdue cultural shift, clinging to a name that offends and dehumanizes a minority group out of deference to fan loyalty and branding.“It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Crystal Echo Hawk, CEO of advocacy group IllumiNative. “It used to be, ‘This would be almost impossible; this would be millions and millions of dollars’ — all the things the teams traditionally have thrown up as these barriers and these excuses. Now we have two major teams who have gone through this and literally thousands of schools across the country. The time is now. … It’s just really mind-boggling to watch Atlanta really dig in on this.”Commissioner Rob Manfred made MLB’s stance clear with comments ahead of Game 1 against the Houston Astros on Tuesday, saying baseball is marketed locally and the sport must align itself with the preferences of local consumers. He said the Braves have done a “phenomenal job” of outreach to local Native American communities, the largest of which supports the Braves financially and culturally.“The Native American community in that region is wholly supportive of the Braves’ program, including the chop,” Manfred said. “For me, that’s kind of the end of the story.”The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, the largest local tribe in the Atlanta region, has a long-standing relationship with the Braves, Principal Chief Richard Sneed said. It once manufactured tourist items such as tomahawks and bows and arrows, which it sold to the Braves to offer at souvenir stands. As revenue from its ownership of a casino pulled the tribe out of poverty, its relationship with the Braves changed. It is now a corporate sponsor.The Braves declined to make anyone available for comment on the name but emphasized their efforts to connect with Native Americans in the area and honor them with exhibits at Truist Park.Sneed viewed his tribe’s relationship with the team as “a platform” to tell the story of Cherokee culture. In July, the Braves held Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Night at Truist Park, where Sneed said tribal elders were treated “like royalty.” This year, the Braves sold T-shirts with a word that translated roughly to “ballplayer” in Cherokee syllabary; the proceeds supported the tribe’s language immersion program....The Braves are not alone in pro sports; the NFL has the Kansas City Chiefs, whose fans also do the chop. But baseball, both inside and outside Atlanta, has ceded ground in the debate. As it evaluated its name, Cleveland canvassed Native Americans and found “the name can make it especially challenging for children to find a place for their Native identity in the community around them.” In 2019, St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Ryan Helsley, who is a member of the Cherokee Nation, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that seeing the tomahawk chop was “disappointing.”“I think it’s a misrepresentation of the Cherokee people or Native Americans in general,” Helsley said during the Cardinals’ National League Division Series matchup with the Braves that year. “Just depicts them in this kind of caveman-type people way who aren’t intellectual. They are a lot more than that. It’s not me being offended by the whole mascot thing. It’s not. It’s about the misconception of us, the Native Americans, and how we’re perceived in that way or used as mascots.”
After years of colleges and high schools retiring Native American mascots, sometimes as required under state law, the past 18 months have seen a change at the highest level of sports. Under pressure from corporate sponsors in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and the national reckoning it sparked, the Washington Football Team ditched its former name, which is defined as a slur. The Cleveland Indians, who already had banished their caricature logo, will be known as the Guardians starting next year.
With the World Series spotlight on the franchise for the first time since 1999, the Braves are viewed by advocates as a holdout amid an overdue cultural shift, clinging to a name that offends and dehumanizes a minority group out of deference to fan loyalty and branding.
“It’s incredibly frustrating,” said Crystal Echo Hawk, CEO of advocacy group IllumiNative. “It used to be, ‘This would be almost impossible; this would be millions and millions of dollars’ — all the things the teams traditionally have thrown up as these barriers and these excuses. Now we have two major teams who have gone through this and literally thousands of schools across the country. The time is now. … It’s just really mind-boggling to watch Atlanta really dig in on this.”
Commissioner Rob Manfred made MLB’s stance clear with comments ahead of Game 1 against the Houston Astros on Tuesday, saying baseball is marketed locally and the sport must align itself with the preferences of local consumers. He said the Braves have done a “phenomenal job” of outreach to local Native American communities, the largest of which supports the Braves financially and culturally.
“The Native American community in that region is wholly supportive of the Braves’ program, including the chop,” Manfred said. “For me, that’s kind of the end of the story.”
The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, the largest local tribe in the Atlanta region, has a long-standing relationship with the Braves, Principal Chief Richard Sneed said. It once manufactured tourist items such as tomahawks and bows and arrows, which it sold to the Braves to offer at souvenir stands. As revenue from its ownership of a casino pulled the tribe out of poverty, its relationship with the Braves changed. It is now a corporate sponsor.
The Braves declined to make anyone available for comment on the name but emphasized their efforts to connect with Native Americans in the area and honor them with exhibits at Truist Park.
Sneed viewed his tribe’s relationship with the team as “a platform” to tell the story of Cherokee culture. In July, the Braves held Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Night at Truist Park, where Sneed said tribal elders were treated “like royalty.” This year, the Braves sold T-shirts with a word that translated roughly to “ballplayer” in Cherokee syllabary; the proceeds supported the tribe’s language immersion program.
...The Braves are not alone in pro sports; the NFL has the Kansas City Chiefs, whose fans also do the chop. But baseball, both inside and outside Atlanta, has ceded ground in the debate. As it evaluated its name, Cleveland canvassed Native Americans and found “the name can make it especially challenging for children to find a place for their Native identity in the community around them.” In 2019, St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Ryan Helsley, who is a member of the Cherokee Nation, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that seeing the tomahawk chop was “disappointing.”
“I think it’s a misrepresentation of the Cherokee people or Native Americans in general,” Helsley said during the Cardinals’ National League Division Series matchup with the Braves that year. “Just depicts them in this kind of caveman-type people way who aren’t intellectual. They are a lot more than that. It’s not me being offended by the whole mascot thing. It’s not. It’s about the misconception of us, the Native Americans, and how we’re perceived in that way or used as mascots.”
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link
hi, i'm joe buck! before we start playing game 3, i just wanted to say,
Team names are only part of the issue. Fans have attended Braves games in redface and headdresses. Echo Hawk and Payment noted that opposing fans will use slurs and offensive stereotypes. “Somebody starts blurting out, ‘Scalp the Indians,’ or, ‘Feed them whiskey and send them back to the res,’ ” Payment said.
“When you think about the global viewership of the World Series and you suddenly see tens of thousands of fans engaging in that behavior and suddenly you’ve got that being mimicked back to our children and our communities, it is so deeply offensive and harmful, and it makes our children oftentimes feel ashamed of who they are,” Echo Hawk said. “We are constantly reduced to these dehumanizing caricatures and stereotypes and not seen for who we are today.”
Payment imagined a stadium full of fans implored to act as if performing a minstrel show. The public response would be swift and condemnatory, and the ritual would be halted immediately. The only difference with the chop, Payment argued, is that society fails to recognize Native Americans as part of the U.S. population.
“We have objectified Indians as a relic of the past,” Payment said. “A lot of people don’t have a clue we exist still. They don’t think about how it might affect Native American youth or people.”
Payment believes those who want the Braves to keep their name already have lost and don’t know it yet.
“It’s just a matter of time,” he said. “Some of the people involved with the decision-making of the Atlanta team are going to look back and say, ‘Oh, my God.’ The grandchild of the owners today are going to say: ‘Boy, Grandpa was a racist. He didn’t realize it, but he was a racist.’ I think it’s just a matter of time.”
-- now let's play some baseball!
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:14 (two years ago) link
Someone make a new hot stove thread please. I can't think of a funny title.
Sources: The Padres and Bob Melvin have agreed to a three-year deal to make Melvin the next manager in San Diego.— AJ Cassavell (@AJCassavell) October 28, 2021
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
Holy moly I didn't think he was leaving Oakland for a long time
― ✖, Friday, 29 October 2021 00:15 (two years ago) link
Apparently the A's are cutting costs again. He made too much money.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
Didn’t they extend him not long ago? I think dude would just rather manage a team that is spending money.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2021 12:09 (two years ago) link
Yeah he was signed for this year, and yet they let the Padres take him without compensation. Curious
They also have a huge class of arbitration-eligible players:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/athletics-trade-rumors-payroll-arbitration-olson-chapman-manaea-bassitt.html
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
these could be the final three games of pitchers hitting
― mookieproof, Friday, 29 October 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
we'll still have ohtani
― johnny crunch, Friday, 29 October 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
wanna say I'll miss it but I suspect it'll be one of those things I just never think of again
― frogbs, Friday, 29 October 2021 20:36 (two years ago) link
yeah, it'll probably be fine. but really, end of an era
― Karl Malone, Friday, 29 October 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
To not experience the joy of a Todd Stottlemyre running the bases, that'll be tough.
― clemenza, Friday, 29 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
Logan Webb hit a home run in his last at bat in the regular season
oh yeah, the Giants had Madison Bumgarner too
i will miss the old rules and strategy but yeah most of the time is sucked
― Bee OK, Friday, 29 October 2021 23:56 (two years ago) link
Just in case my post makes no sense, I finally found a good clip of this:
https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/video/stottlemyre-on-his-famous-slide-c2372168183
One of my favourite baseball moments ever. Love Stottlemyre's "Yup."
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 October 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
I like pitching duels
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
Good call, I would have called that a strike
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:06 (two years ago) link
Didn't matter, why swing at that pitch
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
Big moment
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:19 (two years ago) link
Should have the third baseman got to that ball?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
No
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
I'm bored obviously, anyone want to join me tonight?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:26 (two years ago) link
Huge out
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link
Wow
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
3 2/3
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
don't mind that atlanta won, good run they went on
among the ppl i heard dansby credit in his on field interview were god and the braves analytics staff
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:49 (two years ago) link
xp yet another moral victory for the Crew
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link
so what do we do now for five months?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
I think Freeman has edged ahead of his statistical twin Paul Goldschmidt for the HOF.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
xp -- get caught up on a LOT of movies.
― Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
i actually got curious about something kind of dumb – but have spent the last couple weeks setting up a custom league in OOTP, with each team's roster being every team's all-time greats. I want to see how many times out of 100 (or so), the Yankees dominate the AL, whether the Giants or Dodger turn out more successful and if middle of the road teams like the Jays or Brewers can pull off any first place finishes. I'm about 80% done constructing the lineups.
also i had that same thought last night about Freeman! when setting up rosters for this dumb league I realized Freeman might be the best 1B the Braves have had for any extended period.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
Checked an all-time Braves team, and it looks like Freeman for sure; only competition is Fred McGriff for a much shorter time frame.
Big surprise--Freeman and Goldschmidt's postseason stats aren't all that dissimilar! Goldschmidt looks even better, but only half the PA and no titles:
Freeman -- .290/.393/.525, 9 HR (183 PA)Goldschmidt -- .282/.351/.624, 8 HR (94 PA)
Both with Excel Sports Management...Have they ever been seen in the same room together?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
All sorts of Braves-related oddities from Jayson Stark today, including:
• How many teams have started all three outfielders in the game they won the World Series who were literally playing for some other team halfway through that season — or at any point during that season? Who out there guessed none? Good guess!
• And in a related development, how many teams have ever won a World Series in which not a single one of their Opening Day outfielders played in any game of that World Series? That would also be none.
― clemenza, Thursday, 4 November 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link
I think Freeman has edged ahead of his statistical twin Paul Goldschmidt for the HOF.― clemenza, Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:55 AM
Even with Freeman having a solid year, and quite possibly headed to another WS, Goldschmidt has reasserted his edge: frontrunner for MVP, leading all three slash categories at the moment (plus runs and hits), not making news with agent problems. These two guys are something else.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 July 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link
goldy looks promising
JAWS First Base (23rd): 55.5 career WAR | 42.3 7yr-peak WAR | 48.9 JAWS | 5.8 WAR/162 Average HOF 1B (out of 23): 65.5 career WAR | 42.1 7yr-peak WAR | 53.8 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:17 (two years ago) link
Honestly I think stories like freeman’s agent problems, might actually help goldschmidt. Anything to get his name out there would help.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 July 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link
Goldschmidt remains the most anonymous future HOFer I can remember. No idea what he even looks like
― ✖, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:49 (two years ago) link
I think if he played on my team I still wouldn't remember what he looks like
I literally just finished rewatching the Sopranos episode where the struggling rapper hires Bobby Bacala to shoot him ("somewhere fleshy") under the same rationale!
― clemenza, Monday, 11 July 2022 21:04 (two years ago) link
Hahahaa!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 July 2022 21:33 (two years ago) link
goldschmidt a 49th-round pick out of high school and eighth-round pick out of texas state
bless
― mookieproof, Monday, 11 July 2022 22:21 (two years ago) link