I like pitching duels
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
Good call, I would have called that a strike
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:06 (two years ago) link
Didn't matter, why swing at that pitch
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
Big moment
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:19 (two years ago) link
Should have the third baseman got to that ball?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
No
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
I'm bored obviously, anyone want to join me tonight?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:26 (two years ago) link
Huge out
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link
Wow
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
3 2/3
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
5
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 02:21 (two years ago) link
Don't agree that Anderson being taken out without giving up a hit
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
Yeah it seems like no starting pitcher is allowed to go deep in the postseason anymore
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 30 October 2021 02:30 (two years ago) link
i think it’s a little odd considering they’re headed for back-to-back bullpen games, but also he was throwing as many balls as strikes and was never going to go the distance
― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 October 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
So far it’s all justified.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link
jesus. he could have made that catch right?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link
yeah kinda shocked he didn't but I think the SS backing up on him caused his brain to malfunction
― frogbs, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
Matzek has just been unreal
― frogbs, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
is that the first actual hit by Houston
― frogbs, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:33 (two years ago) link
The second!
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:34 (two years ago) link
oh they called that a hit lol
― frogbs, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:38 (two years ago) link
Excellent teaser from Joe Posnanski: "6th inning: Atlanta manager Brian Snitker took Anderson out of the game after five innings even though he had (1) not allowed a hit and (2) only thrown 76 pitches. I do have a lot to say about this — like A LOT to say about this, like a BOOK-LENGTH amount to say about this — but books take a while to write, and so for now let’s stay focused on the game and the way the Braves somehow shut down this brilliant offense."
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 October 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link
(I was hoping for the no-hitter so I could have come on here and posted that it was the most exciting thing I'd seen since six Raptors combined for 101 points.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 October 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link
Sheehan:
Ian Anderson got the first 15 outs, and while he did not give up a hit -- we’ll get to that -- he wasn’t dominant. To pick just one number, Anderson had a CSW% of 29%, which per the stat’s creator, Alex Fast, is just “okay.” (CSW% is simple: the rate of called and swinging strikes as a percentage of pitches thrown.) The Astros did have trouble squaring up Anderson; he allowed just three hard-hit balls, and only one batted ball with an expected batting average of even .300. Eyeballing more conventional numbers, Anderson walked three and struck out four, hardly the hallmarks of a dominant performance, and at no point watching him did I think I was watching a dominant performance.The dominance would come after Anderson left. Four Braves relievers combined for 12 outs, striking out three, walking no one (hitting one batter) and shutting out the Astros to finish out a 2-0 win.
The dominance would come after Anderson left. Four Braves relievers combined for 12 outs, striking out three, walking no one (hitting one batter) and shutting out the Astros to finish out a 2-0 win.
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link
and more:
I almost don’t want to engage on the decision to pull Ian Anderson after five innings, because I think the people rending their garments over it are arguing in bad faith. They’re ignoring what was clear from watching Anderson, what’s clear from watching playoff games in recent years, what’s clear from watching baseball in 2021. Pitching requires so much effort now that completing nine innings under benign circumstances is a difficult task. Doing it in the playoffs, at the end of a seven-month season, against postseason lineups tuned to maximum performance, is nearly impossible. Doing it when you have rested and ready teammates who haven’t thrown 70, 80, 90 pitches is folly.The no-hitter is just not relevant to me. That cannot be part of Snitker’s thinking at all, not least because the chance that Ian Anderson was going to finish last night’s game is fiction. Snitker’s job is to win a game, to win a championship, not be part of baseball’s culture war over The Diminishing Role of the Starting Pitcher. At some point, a segment of the baseball world decided that starting pitchers are star quarterbacks, and it just isn’t so, not least because star quarterbacks play every game.I’ve said this a few times now, and I will repeat it: Pitching in the modern baseball playoffs is the hardest pitching there has ever been. Stop comparing what these pitchers are asked to do with the rest of baseball history, even history as recent as six or seven years ago. Whoever your particular heroes are...Ford, Gibson, Morris...they’d be maxing out at seven innings and averaging 5 2/3 the same way the guys we’re watching are.Anderson had thrown 76 pitches, and even at a startling ten pitches an inning over the next three would have been at 106 entering the ninth. That would have been the third time in 38 career starts, postseason included, that Anderson threw more than 100 pitches in a game. His career high, set in May, is 110, and he had not reached 100 pitches in a start since then. More likely, of course, is that Anderson would have needed another 15 pitches an inning, pushing him over 100 in the seventh, to 120 in the eighth.Ian Anderson was never finishing this game, so once that’s settled, we’re just haggling over when he leaves. The top of the order the third time around is always a good choice. (Anderson’s tiny sample TTP numbers are far less relevant than what we know about all pitchers the third time around.) Brian Snitker gave the Braves the best chance to win by taking Anderson out when he did. Snitker focusing on anything else -- a no-hitter, entertainment value, pleasing starting-pitcher fetishists -- would have been grounds for firing.
The no-hitter is just not relevant to me. That cannot be part of Snitker’s thinking at all, not least because the chance that Ian Anderson was going to finish last night’s game is fiction. Snitker’s job is to win a game, to win a championship, not be part of baseball’s culture war over The Diminishing Role of the Starting Pitcher. At some point, a segment of the baseball world decided that starting pitchers are star quarterbacks, and it just isn’t so, not least because star quarterbacks play every game.
I’ve said this a few times now, and I will repeat it: Pitching in the modern baseball playoffs is the hardest pitching there has ever been. Stop comparing what these pitchers are asked to do with the rest of baseball history, even history as recent as six or seven years ago. Whoever your particular heroes are...Ford, Gibson, Morris...they’d be maxing out at seven innings and averaging 5 2/3 the same way the guys we’re watching are.
Anderson had thrown 76 pitches, and even at a startling ten pitches an inning over the next three would have been at 106 entering the ninth. That would have been the third time in 38 career starts, postseason included, that Anderson threw more than 100 pitches in a game. His career high, set in May, is 110, and he had not reached 100 pitches in a start since then. More likely, of course, is that Anderson would have needed another 15 pitches an inning, pushing him over 100 in the seventh, to 120 in the eighth.
Ian Anderson was never finishing this game, so once that’s settled, we’re just haggling over when he leaves. The top of the order the third time around is always a good choice. (Anderson’s tiny sample TTP numbers are far less relevant than what we know about all pitchers the third time around.) Brian Snitker gave the Braves the best chance to win by taking Anderson out when he did. Snitker focusing on anything else -- a no-hitter, entertainment value, pleasing starting-pitcher fetishists -- would have been grounds for firing.
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:15 (two years ago) link
Sheehan otm.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:36 (two years ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
All of which might even be exactly what Joe P. wants to write in his book; at the very least, he's certainly aware of all that--he wrote a column two weeks ago about how much harder it was for Chris Sale to pitch against the Astros in 2021 that for Sandy Koufax to pitch a two-hitter against the Twins in 1965. But, as I've said before, I don't have to like any of it; it just makes the game less interesting. (And yes, I realize that Atlanta's manager isn't there to make the game interesting for me.) The idea that great starting pitching performances in the World Series are a thing of the past--or that they've been so re-defined that they may as well be--is not a happy thought.
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
Somebody on here said more or less the same thing that I'm saying a few days ago...can't remember who or what thread. It all makes me think of a line from Zodiac: "Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not true." Just because something makes sense doesn't mean I have to like it.
― clemenza, Saturday, 30 October 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link
VHS!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 23:40 (two years ago) link
I thought I was alone last night so I abandoned this thread
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link
My point last night had to do with two bullpen games in a row
― Bee OK, Saturday, 30 October 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
we hardly knew ye, dylan lee
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 31 October 2021 00:21 (two years ago) link
So here we go, bullpen game and only got one out
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
Impressive to get out of that mess with only one run
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link
Just turned on the game after Lee had been pulled, so I don't know how badly he was missing the plate. I do wonder, though: if this is a guy the Braves want to be part of their future, what does that do to his confidence? Once you decide to start him, you should maybe at least let him give up, I don't know, a run? Lucky Durocher stuck with Willie Mays after his 1-26 start.
― clemenza, Sunday, 31 October 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link
God, Trump's there. Nothing to do with the All-Star Game or the chop, I'm sure.
― clemenza, Sunday, 31 October 2021 01:27 (two years ago) link
Greinke is looking good
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link
Even if they lose the game, Kyle Wright did a tremendous job saving the ATL bullpen.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
saddened that greinke didn't homer, but at least he got a hit
― mookieproof, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:31 (two years ago) link
...
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:44 (two years ago) link
well this AB could be the series
― frogbs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:46 (two years ago) link
yeeeesh how do you take that
― frogbs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
Good game
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
barves starting every AB 0-1 it seems
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:03 (two years ago) link
Wow!
― frogbs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:04 (two years ago) link
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
Unbelievable
― Bee OK, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:07 (two years ago) link
Believable.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:08 (two years ago) link
Whoa!
― frogbs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 03:08 (two years ago) link