That's the difference to me--that Bonds and Clemens and the others did so in 1998-2004, not 2022.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
Found this, which I have zero recollection of:
https://www.si.com/si-wire/2013/08/09/justin-verlander-retorts-peds-allegations
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:16 (one year ago) link
Clemens and Bonds also played in an era where steroids were really common and nobody had really been punished for using them yet, if Verlander was pitching in that era he'd 100% be using them
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:19 (one year ago) link
xp that’s what I kept thinking about watching him pitch in postseason too - his velocity was pretty sustained even when he was being drawn out on lots of pitches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also this, which was maybe a reaction to the above:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/15429713/justin-verlander-asks-changes-ped-rules-dee-gordon-tests-positive
(Made me laugh: "Verlander said he is strict about what he puts in own body. He said his girlfriend, supermodel and actress Kate Upton, has suggested he take some of the vitamins she does, but he refuses unless things are NSF-certified.")
There were definitely lots of people who didn't get caught, including, I'm pretty sure, a handful in the HOF. But I think what we're saying is that using in the year 2000 had no repercussions, not yet. Using in 2022, if you get caught, has major repercussions.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:21 (one year ago) link
Verlander was Cano gets suspended vs. Verlander when former Tigers teammate Jhonny Peralta got suspended. pic.twitter.com/rnKEdhkeIZ— Mike Axisa (@mikeaxisa) May 15, 2018
― after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
Twitter's demise will be a great gift to every living baseball player.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2022 21:25 (one year ago) link
i will say that i was sort of surprised when i saw Verlander’s face recently. i hadn’t paid too much attention to him in a couple of years. he suddenly looks kind of beefy and bloated around the jowls in a way that i associate with mcgwire, clemens etc.
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 20 November 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link
comeback player of the year (AL)
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 08:36 (one year ago) link
More like PEDs are making a comeback! (Kidding.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
Steeling myself for when these ads are every other commercial on Houston TV in the autumn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGiKhz_5YFI
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 1 August 2023 23:17 (ten months ago) link
Lost, but pretty solid start yesterday: 7 IP, 2 runs, 2 BB, 4 K. Of course hoping for him vs. Scherzer in a crucial September game.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 August 2023 13:03 (ten months ago) link
I didn't realize he won his 250th game the other day (and 251st last night)--did that get any attention? There must have been stories about how he'll be the last guy ever to win 250. He turned 40 in February, so 300 seems almost inconceivable. But I wouldn't rule it out completely if he wants to keep going. Ryan pitched till he was 46, Randy Johnson 45, Clemens 44; whether one or all of them got some help, probably.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 14:30 (nine months ago) link
Carlton lasted to 43, but his was terrible his last two seasons.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 14:32 (nine months ago) link
"he"
He seems quite ready to play till nobody wants him, so I guess it'll be health and money, in that order--if he's healthy, I'm sure someone will be willing to pay him.
https://www.sportico.com/leagues/baseball/2023/justin-verlander-mets-300-wins-chase-1234730600/
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:08 (nine months ago) link
I feel like 300 wins is one of those achievements that'll definitely be accomplished but it'll truly require a Maddux-like level of being consistently injury free and declining slowly vs precipitously.
There's no one under the age of 30 with 100 career wins. Top 3: Berrios (29 yrs old, 81 wins), Marquez (28 yrs old, 65 wins), Giolito (28 yrs old, 60 wins).
― omar little, Saturday, 12 August 2023 16:51 (nine months ago) link
I wonder if Verlander's injury troubles the last few seasons have been a trade-off: costing him wins, obviously, but saving him innings and extending his career. If he is serious about 300, I'd do my best to stay in Houston.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2023 17:00 (nine months ago) link
Had the game on in the background last night, listening more than watching. Two outs away from a shutout; got a great inning-ending DP early in the game after loading the bases.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 26 September 2023 13:00 (eight months ago) link
Man, that Justin Verlander's a great pitcher.
https://phildellio.tripod.com/lincecum.jpg
(Kidding around here.)
― clemenza, Friday, 10 November 2023 14:56 (six months ago) link
lol
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, 10 November 2023 16:59 (six months ago) link
Returns tonight. He was good last year, but how long can he keep this up? Clemens won a Cy Young at 41; probably had some help. Spahn, Johnson, and Ryan were good. Maddux was so-so. I don't know if there are any other relevant comparisons.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:39 (one month ago) link
he got shelled in his two minor league rehab outings
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:15 (one month ago) link
Didn't know that...I should have included Seaver and Glavine; both so-so at 41. I left out guys like Jamie Moyer and Bartolo Colon--impressive careers, but not the same caliber as the others. Left out Niekro, too, for obvious reasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:51 (one month ago) link
One guy who famously tried to stretch it out and fell apart at 41 was Carlton.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 April 2024 23:53 (one month ago) link
6 IP, 2 ER, 4 H, 4 K, 0 BB, 78 pitches is nice work, even if it is against the nats
8/21 first-pitch strikes is subpar, but maybe even more impressive that he overcame it
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 April 2024 00:40 (one month ago) link
260th win, top 10 in strikeouts:
https://www.mlb.com/news/justin-verlander-passes-greg-maddux-for-10th-all-time-in-strikeouts
― clemenza, Saturday, 25 May 2024 06:48 (two weeks ago) link
I agree with the URL here: unlikely but not impossible.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/will-justin-verlander-get-to-300-wins-why-milestone-is-unlikely-but-not-impossible-for-astros-veteran/
6% according to the Favorite Toy. The first necessity is someone who actually cares about getting there, and Verlander does seem to check that box. With the indifference to pitcher wins in the analytic era, it might be more of a curiosity than anything else if he managed to pull it off.
― clemenza, Friday, 31 May 2024 02:24 (one week ago) link
His 0.4 fWAR/-0.1 bWAR so far this season isn't doing him a lot of favors in the projections department.
Which team would be willing to roster him for the sake of vanity counting stats when he's marginally above replacement and in questionable health?
― Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Friday, 31 May 2024 03:19 (one week ago) link
The Angels
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 31 May 2024 03:22 (one week ago) link
Which team would be willing to roster him
most of them?
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 31 May 2024 05:13 (one week ago) link