speaking of teams that have never won a pennant
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:28 (six months ago) link
First I’m hearing of the Snell mariners thing tbh. Had no idea.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:29 (six months ago) link
… and now that I’m checking, he was born there, so makes sense.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:30 (six months ago) link
xp don’t go there, h8 Stanton h8 Dipoto end ofYeah Snell is, like his fellow two time Cy Young Award winner from Washington, a guy who loves being from Seattle and would be very happy to play out his career there. I think he may have said this outright too. Idk if you get better weed in California but maybe the taxes are lower too.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:31 (six months ago) link
Money could help, Dodgers are still 2 starting pitchers short for this season. Their no-starting-pitchers-besides-lance-Lynn strategy wasn’t exactly a winner this year
― H.P, Monday, December 11, 2023 10:18 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
their strategy was to get may and gonsolin and buehler injured and then encourage urias to continue to be a violent jerk?
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:34 (six months ago) link
Tbf I don’t think they encouraged him to do that, they just kept him under contract like they were trying to rival the Yankees for the roster record for having the most DV offenders at any one time.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:35 (six months ago) link
well yeah
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:36 (six months ago) link
mariners would be nuts to trade kirby. incredibly cool player.
Yes I wouldn’t either, but he would command a huge price in the trades and those cunts aren’t going to spend money. That kind of pinpoint control, I can’t see them paying for him in free agency.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:37 (six months ago) link
He might eventually end up with your guys tbh, he’s from NY State and grew up a Yankees fan (though there’s a picture of him wearing a Red Sox shirt on his Instagram)
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:38 (six months ago) link
If I were trading for a Mariners SP and knowing Kirby and Castillo* aren’t going anywhere my priorities in order would be dependent on how much time I had to work with the guys. Here is a guide in case any of these guys get traded.- Logan GilbertPros: about ten feet tall, huge extension, 4 years of control, good breaking and offspeed mix, has that forever feeling of not being anywhere near his ceiling, healthyCons: his boyfriend** Cal Raleigh will come after you if you look at him, his 4-seamer has a BA of .280, from Florida.-Bryan WooPros: A BABY (he was called up from Double A last year due to Marco Gonzales being injured), great fastball, great ceiling if he can get a curveball or slider working for him. SEVEN years of team control.Cons: he was on an innings limit last season due to being brought up early, needs some careful handling to stay in the big leagues, only really has two good pitches atm.- Bryce MillerPros: also a BABY (he was called up from double A to fill a hole in the rotation when Robbie Ray got injured), has a great fastball, looks like Randy Johnson if he was hit with a shrinking device.Cons: he has one pitch not even kidding, also fell apart as the season went on despite strong start due to needing more time to cook in the minors. *Castillo is on a team friendly contract, if they trade him they might as well just fire everyone in charge of acquiring free agents** they are the best of friends and lived together all through the minors and Cal made breakfast for him every day for YEARS until Logan got married and moved out
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:51 (six months ago) link
I hate seeing people talk shit about Toronto like they know it. If you live in Toronto you know how special of a place it is and how passionate the people are #GeauxCanada #GeauxBlueJays 🇨🇦🇨🇦— Kevin Gausman (@KevinGausman) December 11, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 15:53 (six months ago) link
yeah all the people talking about toronto like it's some backwater instead of the fourth largest city in north america are making my blood boil. because they're not really talking about "markets" or whatever, they are talking about revenue for the u.s.-based tv networks. fans do not and should not care about that!
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 18:33 (six months ago) link
George Kirby is a guy who could be the new Maddux, if he's able to keep it together and get more consistency -- his bWAR was a little lower than i thought it might be, 3.9 over 190.2 IP. maybe some park factors there, he was more than a full run better at home vs the road. but he's a good one, they've gotta try to hang onto him.
― omar little, Monday, 11 December 2023 18:56 (six months ago) link
fangraphs is much kinder to him, as they seem to favor underlying metrics more than on-field results. and he is a fip king, with less than one walk and approximately one homer per nine innings
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 18:59 (six months ago) link
I would kind of like to see the chaos rotation that features both George “never walks a guy” Kirby and Blake “walks ALL the guys” Snell.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:12 (six months ago) link
Btw I also like Tarik Skubal, who has been improving for years and who really only needs a decent breaking pitch. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/tarik-skubal-669373?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlbDoesn’t walk a ton of guys, doesn’t give up a ton of home runs. I doubt the Tigers part with him though.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:25 (six months ago) link
Skubal was a top 3 pitcher in MLB the last month or so of the season.
― omar little, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:27 (six months ago) link
Yeah! I wasn’t aware of him cos I don’t know many players on the Tigers besides Torkelson, Greene & Carpenter but I was first drawn to Skubal when I read this back about him in August:
Until that pitch on Friday, none of the 130 batters he’d faced this season — lefty or righty — had homered against Skubal, and in his three-plus seasons in the big leagues, only two lefties had ever taken him deep. He’d thrown more than 400 sliders to left-handed hitters in his career and only seven times had those hitters connected for an extra-base hit
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:34 (six months ago) link
i was aware of him on a vv deep level because he helped my fantasy team stay in the running for awhile there. i survived on my weekly skuby snacks.
― omar little, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:36 (six months ago) link
Nice
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:39 (six months ago) link
i was gonna say he's the kinda pitcher who when you're deep in your fantasy league sorting all SPs by last 2 or 4 weeks of stats you're like "ok skubal is throwing like cy young again, i wish i had drafted him" and then another 4 weeks later he's gone a month w/ a 7.79 ERA and is back on the waiver wire
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:40 (six months ago) link
if you sort the 2023 LHP WAR leaderboard on fangraphs and set the IP total to 70, which allows skubal to qualify you get the following numbers
name/WAR/IP
1. justin steele / 4.9 / 173.12. framber valdez / 4.3 / 198.03. jordan montgomery / 4.3 / 188.24. blake snell / 4.1 / 180.05. jesus luzardo / 3.7 / 178.26. tarik skubal / 3.3 / 80.1 7. eduardo rodriguez / 3.0 / 152.2
he is the kinda pitcher fangraphs' version of WAR is generally biased towards but still pretty compelling. the list of very good LHP SPs is extremely short
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:48 (six months ago) link
his first few starts were pretty mediocre too, he was getting better as the season went on. it's a pretty small sample size obv but vv promising. he *might* be better than everyone else on that list.
― omar little, Monday, 11 December 2023 19:51 (six months ago) link
Looking at the list of tigers above… they’ve got so much young talent, I’m kind of frustrated on behalf of their fans that they don’t want to start filling out the gaps with quality free agents. I know they got burned with Baez, but they seemed to give up after that.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:54 (six months ago) link
They just got Miggy off the books as well
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 19:55 (six months ago) link
Meanwhile, in Seattle (Mariners twitter undefeated)https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBGOZuVaUAAHPnk?format=jpg&name=small
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 21:28 (six months ago) link
i think free agency is hard if you’re not a team big enough to just swallow the Ls like nothing happened the e rod timeline — signed a good pitcher to an under market deal but was only able to do so by giving him an opt out that ended with him leaving for more money to a team in a warmer climate — is prob instructive in terms of the constraints some of these teams face in FA
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 December 2023 21:39 (six months ago) link
e-rod didn't want to go to a warmer client when they tried to trade him to the dodgers at the deadline and he invoked his no-trade clause!
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 21:42 (six months ago) link
*climate, not client duh
ok fine, so just for more money
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 December 2023 21:50 (six months ago) link
Great deal by the dbacks, vry strong top 3 in that rotation now
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 22:01 (six months ago) link
Exclusive @TheAthletic: Shohei Ohtani will defer $68 million per year of his $70 million annual salary over the course of his 10-year, $700 million deal with the Dodgers, allowing the team to keep spending, according to a person briefed on the terms.https://t.co/IsnWlsbTq9— Fabian Ardaya (@FabianArdaya) December 11, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 22:48 (six months ago) link
they're insane if they think they'll be able to get away with this for the life of the contract (and the 10 years after)
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 22:55 (six months ago) link
Insanely bad for the game.
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 22:56 (six months ago) link
Loooooool that is ridiculous
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:03 (six months ago) link
Vry interested in what happens post 2033
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:07 (six months ago) link
I am massively confused by this. So, as far as the competitive balance equation is concerned that contact averages out to just $45m a year?? Does Ohtani know he’s basically earning 45m when you account for inflation?! I’d also like to know if it’s calculated by todays rate of inflation and if that’s recalculated every year based on where the prime rates etc are at. This is all so baffling. Do they have to set up some kind of blind trust / savings account type thing to dump money into yearly so they can actually play the guy out in 10 years?!?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:08 (six months ago) link
Apparently ends up being around 46mil a year for the luxury tax
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:09 (six months ago) link
I think it’s amazing how he’s gone from being one of my favourite players to someone I wouldn’t cry about suffering a career ending injury, myself
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:10 (six months ago) link
Oh, i see now it pays out over 10 years after the contract is done and not all at once
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:10 (six months ago) link
I think ohtani knew lol. Though it’s a very funny scenario where no one in ohtani’s camp understands inflation till after reading all the articles post-signing
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:11 (six months ago) link
I also hope the best player in my favourite sport suffers a career ending injury??????????????????????
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link
Literally 680 million deferred………
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:15 (six months ago) link
I guess with inflation rates being so high right now, it really diminishes the long term value… obv Ohtani must be banking - literally - on rates coming back down in a few years. But I do want to know if/when baseball recalculates the value of they have to factor in inflation
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:16 (six months ago) link
This makes the Pujols contract look like a model of sanity!
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:18 (six months ago) link
I would guess he knows the estimated value, but wanted the team he signed to to stay competitive. So maybe he thought “yeah I’m worth 500 mil for 10 years but I want the team I sign to to be able to sign more players so we’ll do this bonkers 700 mil deferred business”.
― H.P, Monday, 11 December 2023 23:20 (six months ago) link
he did it so they could sign yamamoto
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:21 (six months ago) link
Seems like a cunt thing to do tbf, I’m sure I remember owners complaining about how much money Steve Cohen spent and he wasn’t dreaming up deals to cheat the luxury tax so he could keep spending
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:22 (six months ago) link
For anyone wondering if MLB will challenge or cancel Ohtani's contract: The answer is unequivocally no. There is a specific article in the collective-bargaining agreement that addresses this. And it's very clear: Deferred money is limitless -- even $680 million of $700 million. pic.twitter.com/DGNK0JulED— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) December 11, 2023
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 December 2023 23:23 (six months ago) link