Sale Price not Abad deal: your 2017 Boston Red Sox

Andrew Benintendi, the youngest Red Sox left fielder since 1962, is on pace to hit 486 RBIs

considered FP both for title and first post

fair

baseball! where it is the second game of the season and below 40 degrees and you have been playing for almost 4 hours and no one has scored.

it's funny how badly the announcers want this to be over

you can tell the red sox think sandy leon is destined for greatness, giving him 3
― mookieproof, Wednesday, April 5, 2017 4:34 PM (six hours ago)

@TimBritton

FANGRAPHS WAR

Sandy Leon, 2017 (2 games): 0.4
Christian Vazquez, 2014-2016 (112 games): 0.6

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Flu Sox

apparently Jackie Bradley's leg came off today, but he plans on taping a plunger to his stump and taking the field tomorrow because him and Pablo Sandoval are still the two healthiest guys on the team right now.

i made about 80-85% of that up. but it feels true.

Anyone else still pissed about the prospects Dombrowksi has traded over the last year and a half? The Sale trade looks nice in a vacuum—for how much it hurts to give up Moncada and Kopech, I believe it was a fair deal, good for both sides—but takes on a different character once you consider the Pomeranz and Kimbrel trades. If the team still had Espinoza, Margot, and Guerra, losing Kopech and Moncada wouldn't be as big of a deal. But bad trades, even if they're viewed as relatively minor at the time, can make the blockbusters less appealing.

I'm probably just still angry about those earlier two trades. I mean, why trade for Kimbrel, an expensive reliever coming off the worst season of his career in San Diego? And the Pomeranz move was pure panic.

Nothing I hate more than a messy, expensive club. Whenever the Sox find an opportunity to streamline the team, they always prefer to gum it back up.

the red sox don't have a place in the outfield for margot. guerra hit .202/.264/.325 last year in the california league. espinoza had a 4.49 ERA in low A last year and just went on the DL with 'forearm tightness'. (guerra and espinoza were both extremely young for their leagues, but still.) you can say that boston should have gotten more than kimbrel and pomeranz for them, but it's not like they were going to be of service any time soon, if ever.

dombrowski's entire reason for existing is to trade prospects, and that's what management wanted after finishing in last place in three of four seasons. the sox are young, cheap and awesome in the outfield and short and they're using their evil empire money to fill in the rest. seems reasonable

they're never going to be not expensive. as for messy, idk -- injuries happen and you address them as best you can. it kind of seems like you're rooting for the wrong team? perhaps you should be a pirate fan; then you would never have to worry about insane veteran free-agent deals gone awry

http://image.nhregister.com/storyimage/NH/20161011/SPORTS/161019900/EP/1/1/EP-161019900.jpg

just saying dombrowski had reason and mandate to trade those prospects isn't really sufficient--moving from a gm like cherington to a gm like dombrowski you get to empty the chamber over the course of 3 or 4 deals and if they aren't the right 3 or 4 deals it's a disaster. i'm pretty nervous about the returns so far.

perhaps you should be a pirate fan; then you would never have to worry about insane veteran free-agent deals gone awry

― mookieproof, Sunday, April 9, 2017 3:05 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus christ with the hip-in-poverty trip lol

also thanks tracer for making the thread this year even if his pun title aint got shit on my "the lard of pablo" from last year :]

jesus christ with the hip-in-poverty trip lol

that's what u get when u complain that ur team is too expensive

the freedom to waste dough = the Second Evil Empire

lol u goddamn porch-arguing old men

mook is at least entitled to it if that be his prerogative (and it certainly seems to be) with the pirates being broke af and the penguins/steelers both being mid-pack in their valuations. as for morbsitronics-5000, that loveable loser shit hasn't been true of the mets since...probably piazza lol

i could give a flying fuck about payrolls as long as they're spent well, regardless of the sum; it's why beane was (still is?) so highly regarded. if the sox were poor and had a good team, i would be happy. they happen to be rich as hell, albeit often enough operating beyond basic "throw-money-at-the-issue" parameters to be noteworthy, as seen w/ their farm development.

well...pre-dumbo that is. whatever. i sure as shit can't change it as a fan. if they do well this year, i will be happy.

but like you all should be the first to note that there are no virgins in pro sports, regardless of the pastoral quaintness with which so many of us (myself included at times) regard baseball

mitch moreland has doubled in seven straight games, a new red sox record

yay hometown mitch

Heh, prospects are often overrated, trade them away in my opinion.

cannot get enough of jerry remy saying 'bogaerts'

^

i love the remdog again?! how did this happen

sale is insanely good

:/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/05/02/orioles-adam-jones-calls-red-sox-fans-cowards-racist-taunts/101188156/

Jones has played as a visiting player for 12 years at Fenway Park, spanning 77 games, and has been subjected to racial epithets in the past.

Yet, this night, was like few others, calling it one of the worst experiences he’s ever endured. He listened to racial taunts in the outfield while also having a bag of peanuts thrown at him in the dugout.

“I was called the N-word a handful of times tonight,’’ Jones said disgustedly. “It was pretty awesome out there. Thanks. Pretty awesome.

“Just part of the job right?’’

Funny I don't see this story on MLB.com

:/

There IS a video about his stuck bat weight, though. "Man up," AJ!

Fucking hell.

Keep an eye on Sale tonight--looks like he's perfect through four with 8 Ks.

xpost: Ugh. At least it's being reported in multiple places, and I have people in my feed talking about it. Fenway/sports culture does bring out the worst of Boston's racism/sexism.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/227875462/adam-jones-gets-welcoming-ovation-at-fenway/

i think the Fucking Bullshits are a fine moniker for the Sawx

http://deadspin.com/manny-machado-repeatedly-curses-red-soxs-fucking-bulls-1794863811

yikesarooni

i'm with manny on this, why are they still throwing at him?

don't really like manny, but yeah -- you don't get to keep throwing at him every time he bats. were i him, i might have walked around the bases after homering off sale

otoh, they haven't actually managed to hit him, so maybe he should chill slightly

could be entirely unrelated, maybe Sale thought Machado was critical of Drake LaRoche.

you don't get extra shots for missing him, that's my understanding of the Unwritten Rules

lol nomar

https://thebaseballcodes.com/2017/05/03/obsess-much-time-for-red-sox-to-let-go-of-machados-slide

@NPR
The Red Sox are considering a possible lifetime ban for anyone caught making racist remarks at their ballpark.

@MikeBeauvais
That sucks for Curt Schilling.

Between the Machado home run and his rants, the racism incident, we missed a pretty strange triple play. Some series have everything.

"possible" lifetime ban for yelling racist shit at players?

i have no idea what MLB security policies are like, in terms of 'past offenders' who've been ejected from games being barred in the future.

remember when the sox had too many starters?

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2015/03/06/whos-the-red-sox-ace-theyre-all-the-ace

uh sale is the ace

sale's been the best pitcher in baseball this year, i'd say he's the ace

lars anderson sighting:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lars-anderson-discovers-japan-part-one

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Seeing the Red Sox back-to-back here later in the month; won't be happy if I miss Sale.

jelly

I think Clemens is in the booth tonight, but there's no booth audio on the NESN feed, only game sounds/crowd sounds. I don't get it.

nm, fixed it

well played:

John Henry says Red Sox will lead effort to change name of Yawkey Way

fister!

Guess he made some adjustments after that rocky first inning batter.

against that team, too. no matter what else happens in his varied career he's going to have that game.

random doug fister resurgence is one of my favorite things going

Mel: What degree of moral turpitude do you assign the Red Sox for their electronic sign stealing? Do you believe that Farrell did not know it was happening?

Dave Cameron: No way Farrell didn’t know. In terms of moral turpitude, they broke the rules, they knew they were breaking the rules, and they did it anyway, so there’s some guilt here, but as far as infractions go, this isn’t that big a deal. Sign stealing isn’t even against the rules. It’s just the method they used that is problematic.

Bork: Heyman thinks the Red Sox should forfeit all their wins against the Yankees this year. What’s your hot take on punishment for the Red Sox?

Dave Cameron: They should be forced to connect to an internet that only has Jon Heyman columns on it.

john valentin is a very awkward color commentator

Rattled by producer voices in his earpiece, sounds like.

sox win in extras without recording a single RBI, the first time that's been done in the live-ball era

http://www.csnne.com/boston-red-sox/drellich-appreciation-peculiar-throwback-red-sox-offense

Chris Sale just got to 300 strikeouts in 209.1 innings. I was going to ask if that was the fastest to 300 k in a season but no, at the very least it looks like Pedro would have him beat (he had 313 Ks in 213.1 IP in 1999, so I'm sure he got there faster...)

and Moustakas just got the KC season home run record with his 37th, passing Steve Balboni! I'm glad the torch has been passed to another somewhat random dude.

oops sorry that was meant for the KC thread.

entirely possible that the sox will end up playing 9 games in a row against the astros

There's going to be a Ted Williams American Masters next summer--co-produced by David Ortiz's production company.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/253861832/david-ortiz-producing-ted-williams-documentary/

Could there be a blowing of the East? Is Bucky Dent coming out of retirement?

I dunno but last night was the first time in recent memory that sox pitching didn't cough up the whole game in the first inning so I'm feeling optimistic about our chances in the NYY/HOU/CLE charnel house

looks like Panic Time

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/09/jennings_red_sox_in_no_shape_to_throw_away_al_east_crown

lowest sox team ERA since 1992

farrell out

Would expect Jason Varitek to be a prominent candidate with the Red Sox. Cora, Ausmus and perhaps some coaches on the staff as well.

— Pete Abraham (@PeteAbe) October 11, 2017

win two divisional titles in a row, get sent packing

don’t know why i just said “divisional”

bring back bobby v

maybe they can make a trade to bring torey lovullo back

Dombrowski said Farrell was fired for reasons he won't disclose and that no level of team success would have prevented that.

— Pete Abraham (@PeteAbe) October 11, 2017

weird

woooh

from a fan's perspective dombrowski has given farrell every tool at the exact moment it was needed

gump:
Curious as to what you meant by Boston being behind the curve: do you mean the team’s analysis isn’t as advanced as in the past, or that they aren’t being listened to as much as in the past. If it’s the second, care to guess how many playoff apps with no series wins Dombrowski makes before being let go?

Dave Cameron:
Their analytics department has been one of the smallest, most underfunded in baseball for years, even before Dombrowski got there.
When everyone else was staffing up, hiring developers, and modernizing their infrastructure, the Red Sox stayed put and got passed by.

idk how many quants are considered standard these days, but they do have james and brian bannister, so it's not like they're all 'fuck data'

winning the division but not winning in the playoffs reflects badly on.... dombrowksi? how does "gump" figure that one?

I don't know how much is underpinning those 2 'name' guys in analytics. DC seems to think not enough.

They're still winning division titles so if you subscribe to "my shit doesn't work in the playoffs" then they're still doing most things right.

DD inherited Farrell from the Cherington regime and probably just wants to hire his own guy (whoever that might be). Losing in the first round two straight years gives him the perfect excuse to make a move.

They were straightup lucky to win the division.

Ausmus is presumably D's guy.

c'mon morbs they played out of their minds in September, just staying ahead of the Yanks by a nose

the backbiting boston media seem to feel that price is the real problem
http://www.weei.com/articles/column/tomase-red-sox-manager-john-farrell-sacrificed-because-david-price-was-terrible

That's an amazing read for any Jays fan. Price did nothing but say and do the right things for the few months he was here, and he's on the short list of Jays where the city just immediately fell in love with him. I believe he left without an offer from the club, so there wasn't even any fallout there--most fans were mad at management.

Quite a distance from there to here.

tbf that article is a bit of an outlier and i don't know tomase's history

tomase is not really the best guy to read but he's not the only guy writing versions of that story either.

there's a general narrative, probably true, that price doesn't want to be here and never did. and it's seriously poisoned things.

andy will know more than i do, but i've seen detroit writers express non-surprise at price being a dick to eckersley/the boston press

to a certain extent i'm skeptical of writers' complaints -- it's not the player's job to write your story for you with amazing quotes and insights -- but it seems like price's method of ingratiating himself with the team is to be an asshole to all outsiders. and people who *aren't* assholes don't need to do it that way

All I recall is Price firing off a bunch of tweets when Lynn Henning referred to him as self-absorbed.

mookie bowled a 300 this weekend

wow sick brags in 3rd person...you've changed man

u_u

"lol"

while i'm braggin' 2017 -- part of boras' spiel for jd martinez today was that a) defensive stats suck because they're all over the place from year to year and b) that mookie is so fucking good that he's wrecked the curve, making all but a few look comparatively terrible