Hall of Fame Ballot 2004

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The complete ballot (x-first time eligible): Bert Blyleven, x-Joe Carter, Dave Concepcion, x-Danny Darwin, Andre Dawson, x-Doug Drabek, x-Dennis Eckersley, x-Jim Eisenreich, x-Cecil Fielder, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Keith Hernandez, Tommy John, x-Jimmy Key, x-Dennis Martinez, Don Mattingly, x-Kevin Mitchell, x-Paul Molitor, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, x-Randy Myers, Dave Parker, x-Terry Pendleton, Jim Rice, x-Juan Samuel, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith, x-Dave Stieb, Bruce Sutter, x-Bob Tewksbury, Alan Trammell, Fernando Valenzuela.

Of these...

Ryne Sandberg was one of the greatest 2B ever.

Bert Blyleven is somewhat maligned. Check out his postseason record. The guy played for quite a few cruddy teams, which probably knocked his wins down a bunch. Blyleven was also a pain in the ass to sportswriters, which is a reason I think he gets knocked.

Paul Molitor is automatic, but one has to wonder what kind of totals he would have put up if he didn't get hurt every year during the early 80s. Being a DH for a long time definitely lengthened his career.

Rice, Dawson, Garvey, Carter & Parker were some of the best players of their time; none will get into the hall of fame until vets committee. Rice & Dawson didn't get with it in the playoffs. Carter has a MAJOR world series hit and was a great RBI guy, but I don't think he was ever considered a star, mostly because he played most of his career in Cleveland and Toronto.
Parker and Garvey were both quite consistent players and made a bunch of Allstar teams and had big playoffs, but they both had some sleazy off the field action and were just plain out not liked by a lot of people.

It will be interesting to see how the vote goes for Eckersley. I don't think he will get in this year and he may end up waiting for awhile. Don't forget he blew leads in world series games both against the Dodgers and Reds. So as much as I like to defend the closer, he is a hard one to use as an example. (Lee Smith is the same thing vs. SD in 84 and one year with Baltimore.) Gossage on the other hand did well in the playoffs, but he pitched FOREVER and in his case that might lose him votes as people forget how good he was.

Jack Morris is a hard one in a way. He won more games than anyone else during the 80s, came up big in a couple of World Series, but his ERA and other stats are not that impressive. It would be more interesting if he would have gotten to 301 wins. (Same could be said of Tommy John were to have won 300.)

Concepcion was perhaps the best shortstop of the 70s. He will probably never get in the hall of fame, but like alot of players of his ERA are going to look lesser because they played when pitchers and ball parks were much harder to put up such out of whack numbers.


If I was voting, I'd vote for Sandberg, Blyleven and Molitor.

earlnash, Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:30 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah...the vets committee better get off the stick and vote Ron Santo in the hall of fame.

If you need comparison, look at Brooks Robinsons career to age 34, which is when Santo retired. They are quite similar and Santo hit with more power.

earlnash, Sunday, 30 November 2003 06:43 (twenty years ago) link

I tend to be stingy about the Hall of Fame, more often than not. If I were voting, I'd go for Sandberg and Molitor. Blyleven's numbers don't impress me that much. He won 287 games, but he also lost 250. A lot of 15-12 seasons. Sorry.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:15 (twenty years ago) link

Why didn't Sandberg make it in last year?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 5 December 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link

"Why didn't Sandberg make it in last year?"

That is a very good question.

Blyleven's win/loss percentage (287-250 .534) is better Nolan Ryan (324-292 .526) similar to Phil Niekro (318-274 .537) or Jim Bunning (224-184 .549), none of which won a world series game and all are Hall Members. Blyleven post season mark is 5-1 winning two rings, one with "We Are Family" Pirates and the Twins. The guy is also #5 in the all time K list (3701) and is widely considered to have one of the best curveballs in the history of the game, that has to be worth something.

earlnash, Friday, 5 December 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

using win percentage to judge a pitcher (esp. with phil niekro and to a lesser extent nolan ryan) is krazy talk

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

sandberg's comeback hurt him i think

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:26 (twenty years ago) link

if i was voting:

molitor, sandberg, eckersley, carter (and a few others too to be honest but these first)

cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 6 December 2003 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, cinniblount, you're right about winning percentage being a misleading stat. Blyleven's strikeout total is pretty impressive.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 December 2003 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

I think the winning percentage is in line to compare with other starters already in the hall with similar win/loss production. He lost 250, but so did other great pitchers that played on mediocre teams for more than ten years of their career.

Beyond the ones I mentioned, Blyleven's wins & winning percentage are also better than Robin Roberts.

earlnash, Monday, 8 December 2003 06:46 (twenty years ago) link

Bert "Be Home" Blyleven
Dave Parker
Keith Hernandez
Jim Rice

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 8 December 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

four weeks pass...
so molitor + eck got the nod. pretty much what i expected.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

When did Eck start throwing side-army?

Leee Smith (Leee), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

What do y'all think of Ryne Sandberg? I have a friend who's all up in arms about Ryno's exclusion, but he's one of those nutbag Cub fans...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 8 January 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

Ryne Sandberg was by far the best second basemen of his time and other than perhaps Joe Morgan, the best of the past 50 years or so.

The guy was great with both the glove and stick, he didn't have long enough career to pile up the 3000 hits or 500 hr kind of bedrock career stats.

As pointed out above, the odd ending of his career for a year and a half, which was followed with a couple of years of not nearly the same hitting consistency, probably raises some questions.

Sandberg is also a very rare right handed hitter that had a real smooth looking swing.

earlnash, Thursday, 8 January 2004 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Sandberg should be in there for sure. Perhaps he'll make it next year, though. His vote increased from 49% to 61%, and I think the only newcomer who's a lock next year will be Wade Boggs.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

There is a cool editorial about Blyleven in the current issue of Sports Illustrated. There is a great part about Blyleven getting Tommy Lasorda with a prank twice during a pre-season Angels/Dodgers series. It is worth checking out.

earlnash, Friday, 16 January 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
no talk about this weekend's ceremony? Does ILB have an anti-reliever bias?

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/baseball/mlb/img7525209.jpg

Wow, I didn't know they were inducting Morissey.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/ii7711211.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Does ILB have an anti-reliever bias?

Somebody asked Molitor/Morissey about that yesterday and this was his answer:

We hate it when ours closers become successful.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

dude he looks way more like Adlai Stevenson.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

or this guy with less-crazy hair:

http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9906/16/lyle.lovett/lovett.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

How about this one?

The more you ignore me, the closer I get.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

um, Molitor wasn't a closer, Eckersley was.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 26 July 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I know.

But I can't keep the Morissey-baseball puns bottled up due to a technicality like that.

boldbury (boldbury), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link


My high-leverage innings are an ILLUUUUUUUSION!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link


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