How About Those DEVIL RAYS!

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They have won 11 straight and are only a couple of games below .500 66 games into the season, which is as good as they have ever played.

Pinella in an interview said that he is most happy with their defense.
Their pitching and hitting has been improved. They still have a couple of gaping holes in their lineup, but their outfield (Crawford/Baldelli/Cruz) is pretty good.

earlnash, Monday, 21 June 2004 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And yet they'll never win the AL East because of who they share division space with...

Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

...the mighty toronto blue jays¡

dyson (dyson), Monday, 21 June 2004 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)


The streak is nice, but I don't think they even have a chance of being this year's 2003 Royals. They'll lose 90-95, I suspect.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 June 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus look who they've done it against:

Wed. 9 San Francisco W 4-3
Thu. 10 San Francisco W 5-2
Fri. 11 Colorado W 8-7
Sat. 12 Colorado W 10-7
Sun. 13 Colorado W 3-2
Tue. 15 at San Diego W 5-2
Wed. 16 at San Diego W 9-6
Thu. 17 at San Diego W 4-1
Fri. 18 at Arizona W 6-2
Sat. 19 at Arizona W 11-4
Sun. 20 at Arizona W 2-1

Waxing the NL West isn't much of an accomplishment right now, though beating Randy Johnson is a nice feather for the cap. Colorado's awful, Arizona's not much better, San Diego's got all sorts of problems, and the Giants are the Giants. Yeah, yeah, a win's a win, I know, but some perspective is necessary in situations like this.

Despite all the youthful spunk they possess in LF and CF, there's plenty to be po-faced about - the right side of the infield is 72 years old, 3 of their everyday hitters this year (Huff, Hall, Lugo) are at their physical peak & underperforming (Huff's just now starting to do his thing), and saying the DRay pitching staff is improved from last year's is damning by faint praise. The 2K4 Rays are really just a duct-taped version of last year's team, bolstered by folks no one else wanted, scraping by with "rambunctious moxie" and "fear of getting verbally rogered by Pinella", and making another dubious run towards a PR bonanza. (Please don't give the D-Rays Minnie Minoso's phone number.)

Didn't the Royals feast on the AL Central in a fashion similar to Tampa Bay's recent treatment of the Left Coast?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh my god.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

see, that's what i thought the o's box scores would resemble this year.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

c/d getting 13 runs and still loosing¿

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 24 June 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Martin Grammatica must have kicked four field goals!

earlnash, Friday, 25 June 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

the devil rays are above .500 for the first time after june 1 ever!

maura (maura), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The Devil Rays take out Cy Young Winner Doc Halladay for seven runs in five innings and win 10 to 2.

Victor Zambrano has been pitching quite well in the streak.

37-36

earlnash, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)


I can't believe they're the first team in history to go over .500 after being 18 below. Cuz history is long.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

and old.

baseball does indeed have a long history of irrelevant stats.

dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)


And nearly as long of relevant ones. And fans who can't tell the diff.

I'd love to see TB go all Cinderella and win the wild card.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Then MLB will be forced to contract them after they draw only 12,000 to a playoff game.

boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, they've been drawing 25,000+ the past couple of days! Don't doubt the drawing power of ACTUALLY WINNING.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
jesus!

carl crawford has 17 triples? what's the record on that, i wonder?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what this site is for:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/3B_season.shtml


My bet would've been Wahoo Sam Crawford, but he has the career mark (309!).

Most in the expansion era (1961-) is 21, Willie Wilson (1985) and Lance Johnson (1996). If Carl C exceeds them, it'll be the most since 1949.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

useless trivia : the single season triples record is the only major league single season hitting record that was never bettered in the minor leagues ...
... although I read that before BB's 73-homer season, and I believe the minor league record was 70.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

ten months pass...
Sweet Lou!

After watching the Devil Rays lose for the 10th time after blowing a lead in the eighth inning, Devil Rays manager Lou Piniella said he plans to have a reliever start Wednesday, then turn to Casey Fossum, who is scheduled to start. Reporters laughed. But Piniella insisted he's serious.

"I've made up my mind and that's what we're going to do," he said. "People are going to think I'm crazy, but we're just going to try it. Starting (Wednesday), I'll bring in whatever reliever I feel like starting the game with, and I'll bring my starter in in the third inning and we'll play nine innings of baseball that way.

"I'm serious."

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

Haha, awesome.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

jaymc OTM.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

This strategy has been seriously proposed by statheads/theorists for years ... If your 'starters' are the best guys on the staff, why not let em finish the game?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

is this the case w/ the d-rays, though?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I think it's a push, but that's because of the non-Kazmir / Fossum elements of the starting staff. (Welcome back Dewon!)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050706&content_id=1118289&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The change of heart for Piniella came later Tuesday night when he sat down to weigh the pros and cons of starting a reliever. When he saw some items on the con side that disturbed him, Piniella decided to stick with his pitching rotation the way he has had it all along.

"I've got some young kids in the rotation that I thought about," Piniella said of changing his mind. "We're trying to develop a ball club as well as win baseball games here, so we just decided to stay the conventional way and that's it.

"It sounds intriguing. It may work, or it may not work, but we'll let somebody else try it first."

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Thursday, 7 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I just read the "Forging Genius" Stengel book (hi recommend), and Goldman points out it's managers who're on the endangered list who try the most new stuff.

Will Carroll on today's Prospectus:

"Lou backed down. I was excited to see Lou Piniella blow off the orthodoxy and alter the pitching plan. It’s something that I’ve seen discussed in the minors--using a reliever to start in order to get the “starter” deeper into games, hoping to teach him how to finish games out without amping up pitch counts. Of course, Piniella would be tossing out his worst relievers, not his flame throwers from the back of the pen, which makes me think that this is more bull than brilliance. Still, I’d like to see someone desperate or crazy enough to challenge the by-the-book thinking prevalent in baseball."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Delmon Young
#1 2003 draft pick, signed to Tampa for $5.8M/year
2005 Baseball America Minor League Player of the Year:

As a 19-year old rookie (he just turned 20 a couple days ago), Delmon compiled the following #s at single A Charleston:

.320/.386/.536 (.922 OPS) w/ 25 HRs, 21 SBs, 115 RBIs

If you're (25+ games out of the WC) Tampa's GM, do you call him up?

Well they didn't and Delmon was unhappy about it:

Rookie Delmon Young Calls D-Rays' Brass "Cheap"

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Best part: he got some of his would-be teammates in a tizzy, since (according to the bitchtits complaining about DY's comments) his so-called "cheap org" gave him that $5.8M / yr contract.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
Delmon Young suspended indefinitely for making contact with an ump with his bat in a AAA game. Mainstream media portray Young as clubbing the umpire like a baby seal. Here's a first hand account:

http://devilrays.mostvaluablenetwork.com/rays-prospects/saw-it-with-my-own-eyes/

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

- Top Tampa Bay prospect Delmon Young was suspended indefinitely by the International League on Thursday, a day after throwing a bat that hit a replacement umpire in the chest.

...

Regular minor league umpires are on strike this season. Fill-ins umps - most of them with college or high school experience - have been working in their place. Minor league teams are not releasing the names of the replacements.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/14443378.htm

c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

I'd love how one incident like this immediately turns a guy into an asshole.

Also, chest != legs!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

You throw one (just one) tiny little baseball bat at a guy and everyone thinks you're an asshole! What is the world coming to!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Cue "Bad Day."

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, give the guy a break.

Bert Campaneris (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 April 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

All I know - if Pete Rose did this, he'd be called a gamer. And then he'd be called an asshole.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe folks would save time & call him a gasshole.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i though he threw the bat at the dude, but ti sounds like he tossed the bat and it happened to hit him.

i mean, it's the sort of idiotic thing that merits suspension, in my mind, but i have no doubt that the punishment will be swift, thoughtless and excessive.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 27 April 2006 18:31 (twenty years ago)

thing is... can he be promoted even tho he is iternational league suspended?

Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 27 April 2006 20:58 (twenty years ago)

but ti sounds like he tossed the bat and it happened to hit him.

I saw the video, and this is definitely not the case. Young talked to the ump, took a moment, walked toward his dugout, and then turned around and chucked the bat in a straight line about fifteen feet at the ump and hit the ump clean in the midsection. It's not like he was tossing his bat toward his dugout and it accidentally hit the ump in the feet. It was definitely intentional. It wasn't the hardest thrown bat of all time, but it was still pretty fucked up.

I personally would suspend him at least twice as much as what Robby Alomar got.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 April 2006 05:45 (twenty years ago)

thing is... can he be promoted even tho he is iternational league suspended?

His service time doesn't begin until he's in the majors, and Tampa is real miserly when it comes to service time. To top that off, they already have Gathright, Gomes, Huff, Hollins, and Baldelli to play the outfield, with Upton as a potential candidate in CF as well. Which is to say that there's no rush, and I imagine they have no intention of bringing Young up any time soon despite the fact that he would probably be their second best hitter already.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 April 2006 05:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i saw the clip wehen i got home last night. uhhh, no question. not a casual toss or flip...shit was thrown AT the ump from a healthy distance. what a dummy.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 28 April 2006 12:45 (twenty years ago)

here's the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wW0tuz3_Hgc

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 28 April 2006 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. I don't know what that first-person-account guy was looking @.

That was a shitty strike call, tho. In his defense. Cough.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 April 2006 12:59 (twenty years ago)

It's almost comical the way the bat just zings at the ump from off camera!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I like this move as a "he so crzy we move troublemaker" thing on his part. Dudebro must get Showtime ABs

Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

"Hello, this is Kevin Towers. Heard about crazy ol' Delmon. Man, what a nutcase! Hey, maybe the poor fella just needs a change of scenery. Tell ya what. We will trade you anyone but Peavy or Young for him. Take your pick. Thxbye"

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 28 April 2006 19:28 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

3rd in AL pitching VORP is James Shields (behind Haren, Lackey).

Dr Morbius, Monday, 21 May 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

HI DERE BJ UPTON

(hopefully) BUY DERE TY WIGGINGTONG

David R., Saturday, 28 July 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

NOT A REAL TEAM ACCORDING TO TRACER HAND, ESQ.

hstencil, Saturday, 28 July 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

BJ Upton is just awesome. I wish he was staying at 2B though, for selfish fantasy league reasons. :(

polyphonic, Saturday, 28 July 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

annnnd say hello to your first team to be eliminated from postseason contention.

also: "Baseball Prospectus reports that the Rays have already decided to shut Baldelli down for the year, and that Baldelli might even be contemplating retirement." u_u

maura, Monday, 3 September 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

b-b-but they just won a series against the new york yankers...

good old rocco.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 September 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

If you can tune into the D-Ray broadcast of tonight's tilt against the O's, you'll see Carl Crawford trying to leap over the 1B coach trying to get @ the 1B ump after said ump totally blew a call (according to the announcers, the 2nd blown call to go against TBA tonight).

David R., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

2nd by the 1B umpire, BTW.

David R., Tuesday, 4 September 2007 00:11 (eighteen years ago)

Pete (Tampa): Why do my Rays have so many outfielders? WHY? Shouldn't our surplus be traded?

Rob Neyer: (12:22 PM ET ) Frankly, the Rays' mismanagement of the organizational talent borders on the criminal. A year ago, TWO years ago, it was obvious they had too many outfielders, and should trade some for pitching depth. Now, I do like a lot of their young pitchers, but the fact is that they've got the worst ERA in the majors, by a lot.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://www.draysbay.com/story/2007/9/20/144345/782

http://draysbay.com/images/admin/raysunifronth.jpg.gif
http://draysbay.com/images/admin/rayslogos.jpg.gif

I guess anything's an improvement, but I dunno about that little yellow lens flare thing - looks like somebody went crazy with a copy of "101 Essential Photoshop Plugins '98."

govern yourself accordingly, Saturday, 22 September 2007 09:23 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure I could make something better than that in an hour, and I have no design background whatsoever.

polyphonic, Saturday, 22 September 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

i do - and i agree with you.
it is better than what they have now tho.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 22 September 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

seventeen years pass...

gonna be a hellish season of doubleheaders/rainouts/sitting in the clubhouse waiting/playing till 2am just to get the game in

mookieproof, Friday, 15 November 2024 21:13 (one year ago)

jesus

Rays will play 47 of first 59 at home, then 69 of last 103 on road

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 November 2024 02:38 (one year ago)

Hey UFAs, do you hate your family? Sign up with the Rays and you don't have to see them for a couple of months.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 November 2024 02:42 (one year ago)


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