Does speed factor against OBP?

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There seems to be this notion that fast guys have low OBP.

But there they are, all over the place scoring runs and lending credibility to the anti-SABR crusade.

So here's my thought for the day:

Speedster at bat. Think Juan Pierre or Willy Taveras. Lays down an infield hit/swinging bunt/drag bunt. 3B, 1B or pitcher rushes throw (or botches fielding attempt) and batter is scored as "reached on error", thus given an "0 for 1" in the box score, driving down BA and OBP (and SLG but who cares).

Is there any organization, site or individual that tracks "forced errors"?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Obviously, this may be more of a scorer's call, but I've noticed when tracking fantasy stats that some of my speedsters will finish the day 0-4 with 2 runs scored and 2 SBs. It doesn't seem to add up.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

yes jon miller, i'm pretty sure this has been seriously looked into and was actually found to be a non-factor. i'm not sure how; i'd think w/ a guy like suzuki, pierre or castillo this would feature prominently.

btw, top 15 in MLB in runs scored:

a pujols
d lee
d jeter
j damon
d ortiz
j bay
a rod
a dunn
m ramirez
c figgins
i suzuki
m cabrera
m young
b abreu
m teixeira

only 4 of those guys have an obp below .380, 2 below .350 (figgins & suzuki).

John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

actually yeah there was an article kinda peripherally/tangentially abt this at tht recently:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/circle-the-wagons-running-the-bases-part-iii/

"The four to five incremental runs contributed by the best baserunners in a season are generally considered to be the equivalent of about half a win per season using estimates based on the Pythagorean method. So the spread from best to worst is right at one win. So does baserunning make a difference? Yes, but the magnitude is small compared to that between good and bad offensive players, where the difference is in the tens of runs"

i think this is purely what happens after the batter reaches base (ie has nothing to do w/ your specific question), but i haven't read it.

John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

This came up today on James Click's BP chat (3rd question):

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=137

He claims that there's a weak correlation between certain batters (not necessarily the fastest runners) and reaching base via error. I haven't read the articles he linked, though, so I won't vouch for any of this yet.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Wow, timely and thank you.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

There was also a Prospectus article on factoring speed and OBP recently, if I can find it...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

ha -

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4359

Hitless Wonders: before snapping their seven-game losing streak by salvaging the weekend finale against the Yankees, the Sox had hit just .200/.255/.270 on the week and were outscored 26-8. Some of that drought can be linked to the loss of leadoff hitter Scott Podsednik, who went on the DL with a strained groin on Monday. Meager though his .282/.348/.337 may seem at first glance, Podsednik's OBP gets a nice boost via Nate Silver's Speed-adjusted On Base stat, and it's miles better than the OBPs of the duo tapped by Ozzie Guillen in his stead, Timo Perez (.268) and Pablo Ozuna (.309).

(funny becuz gygax tried his hand at a similar stat w/ podsednik)

the article's here, but it's members only:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4344

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/050812pulse.html

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)


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