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Well, the suspended game stuff is long overdue... I can't wait for Carl Everett's first strike for standing outta the box.


Several rule changes in effect for 2007

02/16/2007
By Tom Singer / MLB.com

Taking a red pencil to the game's rules for the first time in more than a decade, MLB's Playing Rules Committee has enacted several changes for the 2007 season.

Relax: It's still the game you know and love. Committeemen haven't messed with the game's guts. In fact, although some of the changes are substantial, the most significant aspect of Friday's announcement is that it introduced the first alterations to the Official Baseball Rules since 1996.

Potentially most consequential is the manner in which games that end in a tie, due to weather or other uncontrollable elements, will be resolved. While previously such games were considered official and replayed in their entirety from the beginning, hence they will be "suspended" and resumed at the point of stoppage.

Addressing issues relating to the pacing of games, fair play -- and even the fairer sex -- other rule changes highlight:

• Time between pitches: The allotment for delivering the ball with no one on base has been reduced, from 20 seconds to 12. The price for each violation is a ball.

• Batter's box presence: Conversely, an automatic strike will be assessed each time a batter violates the rule requiring they keep one foot in the batter's box throughout his at-bat, except for certain game-play conditions -- during which he is still not allowed to leave the dirt area surrounding the plate.

• Ball scuffing: Rule 3.02 now calls for an automatic 10-game suspension for any player who intentionally defaces the ball. (Previously, a first offense led to the pitch being called a ball, a warning to the pitcher and an announcement of violation.)

• No reason for rosin: The same Rule 3.02 now specifically prohibits placing "soil, rosin, paraffin, licorice, sandpaper, emery paper or other foreign substance" on the ball. The rule's penalty phase dictates, "The umpire shall demand the ball and remove the offender from the game. In addition, the offender shall be suspended automatically for 10 games."

• Gender objectivity: The rulebook now includes the disclaimer that references "to 'he,' 'him' or 'his' shall be deemed to be a reference to 'she,' 'her' or 'hers'" where applicable.

In addition, in a significant sidebar, the guidelines by which official scorers perform their duties have been dramatically clarified and specified, at the behest of Phyllis Merhige, MLB vice president of club relations.

The pace-of-game regulations had been in effect on a trial basis during the 2005-06 seasons in the Minor Leagues, where they gained acceptance.

The revisions reflect the collective input of people in the game during the Playing Rules Committee's long layoff from actively voting on possible changes.

These are the first amendments to the rules since interpretation of the strike zone was changed in 1996.

"It's been a number of years since they've taken stock, so they rolled up their sleeves and attacked a number of issues on which they'd been taking notes," said Ed Burns, vice president of MLB's Baseball Operations Administration.

"New members joined the committee in the interim," Burns added, "and the first thing they did in 2005 was institute the experimental pace-of-game rules for the Minor Leagues, with a degree of success."

The treatment of tie games could be quite consequential. Not because tie games have been so prevalent in the past; occasionally, players have logged 163-game seasons due to an official tie, and there have been three ties in pre-1930 World Series games halted by darkness.

But the revised rule will perhaps permit umpires to react more decisively to adverse conditions, knowing that halting a tie game will not force managers to invent pitching for an unexpected extra game.

"The general managers questioned whether it was good policy to replay games," Burns said, "and asked, 'Why not just pick up where they stopped?' This will keep managers from having to use their entire bullpen to cover for an additional game."

Tie games will resume prior to the next scheduled game between the teams, in the visitors' park if no more games are scheduled at the same site. If no more games are scheduled between the teams, the tie would stand unless an outcome would decide a playoff spot -- in which case the game would be replayed in its entirety.

At the very least, the revisions and clarifying examples included in the rule book will enable umpires at all levels to conduct games according to a uniform set of rules.

Said Sandy Alderson, the chief executive officer of the Padres, who doubles as chairman of the Rules Committee: "A number of issues about the playing rules, some more technical in nature than others, had accumulated among umpires, clubs, players and Major League Baseball for some time. The Playing Rules Committee hopes that these amendments will serve to clarify these issues and, by doing so, benefit all who play and umpire the game at all levels."

The changes to Rule 10, governing official scoring, may have the most direct bearing on fans' perception of the coming season by affecting the game's lifeblood: statistics.

For instance, the guidewords for deciding whether to credit a batter with a sacrifice bunt have changed from him being possibly retired on a "perfect play" to "ordinary effort" by the defense.

And fans weary of hearing "defensive indifference" on stolen-base attempts will be heartened to learn that the scorer must now base that call on all game circumstances, not merely on whether someone covered the base or the catcher got off a throw.

Merhige, who oversees all official scorers at big-league parks, had noted several areas that needed to be improved and standardized. The work of the committee she assembled "came up with a substantial rewrite of Rule 10," Burns said.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I always liked the rule in which pitchers have to deliver the ball within 20 seconds with no runners on, but it's never been enforced. I can't see a 12-second rule being realistically workable ... why not leave the rule unchanged and simply enforce it?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 25 February 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe with the 12 second limit, they'll actually keep the pitchers under 20?

David R., Monday, 26 February 2007 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

anyone thrilled with Bud's "improve the on-field issues" committee? O BOY, GEORGE WILL

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

i wish they had invited some of the brighter young managers in the game. george will can burn, obv. i don't think any players should be in there because baseball players are really dumb.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

so the idea is that would speed up the game?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

does it even happen once every 5 games?

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

maybe that?! of all the things dumb about baseball i never thought the fake to 3rd was one of them.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

Granderson fell for the banana in the tailpipe?

RHPs will step off the rubber and do the same damn thing. It will probably happen with roughly the same frequency.

Grusin' Gang (Andy K), Friday, 11 May 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Neyer predicts that, SOMEDAY, MLB will have to reduce strikeouts and pitching changes to shorten games.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/5/29/3048980/ernesto-frieri-angels-strikeouts

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 May 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Neyer's been on that soapbox for a while. Anyway, the game goes in cycles so I wouldn't assume that strikeouts are some runaway phenomenon that's going to necessitate a significant rule change.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 29 May 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

The fake-to-third/throw-to-first will now be ruled a balk:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130126/pickoff-rule-change.ap/

The hidden-ball-trick's days are surely numbered.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 January 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

ha, i used to do this all the time when i played

k3vin k., Saturday, 26 January 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

will cut 30 seconds off the average game

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2013 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

I wonder if the LV sports books are offering an o/u on the number of balks that will come of this in 2013.

If it were up to you we'd all be eating tea and strumpets. (WilliamC), Monday, 28 January 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...
one month passes...
four weeks pass...

"Just reading through it, the main thing it does is eliminate the malicious collision," Posey told ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" on Tuesday morning. "If the catcher is not set up right on top of the plate, it doesn't allow the runner to run through him."

Posey said the tweak to the rule would not alter the way he prepares for the season as a catcher or as a baserunner.

"For the most part, I think it'll stay pretty much the same," Posey said. "We've never been taught to set up right on top of the plate; we've always been taught to give the runner a little bit of the plate.

"[As a baserunner], my mindset, when I'm coming around third, is to slide hard and late."

Texas Rangers catcher J.P. Arencibia said the new rule "takes away the malicious intent behind the play at the plate."

"It stops guys just going out of their way just to try to dislodge the baseball when [catchers] have the plate," Rangers manager Ron Washington said.

Hall of Famer George Brett, the Kansas City Royals' vice president of baseball operations, said he doesn't like the rule even though he understands that the objective is to reduce injuries.

"I'm not a big fan of it," Brett told ESPN.com. "Catchers are taught to put their foot right in front of home plate, and the plays are bang-bang. I like the collision.

"I don't sit around at home at night and think about it. This is the first time I've thought about it since two months ago when somebody told me, 'They can't run into catchers anymore.' I said, 'That sucks. I love that play.'"

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10512206/mlb-bans-home-collisions-1-exception

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...
two weeks pass...

I'm sure you've heard, they've fixed this idiotic transfer thing

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/mlb-makes-1st-major-adjustment-of-replay-era-tweaks-transfer-rule-042514

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 April 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

Rules quiz:

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/8/27/6075321/obscure-mlb-rules-quiz

I got 7/10.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 29 August 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

In the Arizona Fall League this year:

http://deadspin.com/baseball-will-test-out-six-new-rules-to-speed-up-the-ga-1641283166

Hitters must keep at least one foot inside the batter's box at all times, barring exceptions like foul balls, wild pitches, or if the umpire grants him time out.

Pitchers must throw a pitch within 20 seconds of receiving the ball. Clocks posted in each dugout will count down the 20 seconds.

There will be a maximum break between innings of 2:05, with a clock keeping track. Hitters must be in the batter's box by 1:45. If the hitter's not ready, the umpire can call a strike. If the pitcher doesn't throw a pitch by 2:05, the umpire can call a ball.

Teams will have a maximum of 2:30 to change pitchers, with the clock starting as soon as the reliever enters the playing field.

Teams are limited to a maximum of three mound visits per game, not including pitching changes. This applies to trips to the mound by managers, coaches, and catchers.

Pitchers no longer have to deliver four balls for an intentional walk. The manager can simply signal to the umpire.

it's taco science, but it works like taco magic (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...
one year passes...

MLB, MLBPA ADOPT SLIDE RULE ON DOUBLE PLAYS, PACE OF GAME CHANGES
Interference Rule Governing Double Play Slides Clarified;
Mound Visits, Break Times Adjusted in Pace of Game Program

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 February 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link

“People watch the UFC. But they get mad when a guy breaks his ankle at second base because of a hard slide. I don't get it." -- Ian Kinsler, future Fox analyst

Andy K, Saturday, 27 February 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce_iquoVAAELtrm.jpg:large

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 April 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

In the 9th last night vs the Mets, Jayson Werth was called out for interference making a late slide on a DP breakup attempt. I'm getting a little sick of Keith Hernandez and Ron Darling grousing about the new unmacho world (Keith sneered about "the geniuses" who effected the rule). Nats GM Rizzo also got into a shouting match with the umps after the game. Tough shit, dinosaurs.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/watch-ninth-inning-slide-rule-call-plays-a-big-part-in-mets-win-over-nats/

https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/nats-gm-ump-argue-over-call-on-werth-slide/188622326

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

oh go fuck yourselves

"Major League Baseball plans on testing a rule change in the lowest levels of the minor leagues this season that automatically would place a runner on second base at the start of extra innings, a distinct break from the game’s orthodoxy that nonetheless has wide-ranging support at the highest levels of the league, sources familiar with the plan told Yahoo Sports."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-plans-to-test-new-extra-innings-rules-in-rookie-ball-with-joe-torres-approval-224914115.html

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 12:24 (seven years ago) link

What in the blue hell is that all about.

Honestly, I would prefer ties in baseball to a dumb rule change like that.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 9 February 2017 13:55 (seven years ago) link

“It’s not fun to watch when you go through your whole pitching staff and wind up bringing a utility infielder in to pitch.

gotta disagree with you there, Joe.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link

i will give you each $1000 if this ever becomes a major league rule

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link

twist: the free runner on second base is bartolo colon

Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 February 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link

Anthony Castrovince @castrovince
This idea has uncovered quite a number of rookie ball purists.

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link

first they came for rookie league, and i said nothing

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 February 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link

gonna need one for this, because c'mon

https://twitter.com/AJCassavell/status/831916548369510400

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link

that's even worse than jordan walden

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

no one ever calls traveling anymore

na (NA), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 18:58 (seven years ago) link

that is a fucking weird delivery.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link

Cater Crapps

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link

@JeffPassan
Rob Manfred: There will not be substantive rules changes in 2017 due to "lack of cooperation from the MLBPA."

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link

@EricFisherSBJ
And Manfred then reveals a new chestnut in new labor deal: a unilateral ability by the league to impose rules changes as soon as next yr

@JeffPassan
Among the rules changes MLB could impose, per Manfred: a pitch clock, a smaller strike zone, fewer visits to the mound, auto-intentional BB.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link

yay lack of cooperation

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link

As part of its initiative to improve pace-of-game play, Major League Baseball has approved a change to the intentional walk rule, going from the traditional four-pitch walk to a dugout signal, team and union sources told ESPN's Howard Bryant.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18737245/mlb-union-agree-get-rid-traditional-intentional-walkwill-use-signal-dugout

Andy K, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:01 (seven years ago) link

this will save nearly 12 seconds per game

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:40 (seven years ago) link

i'm so pissed that the miggy cabrera intentional walk single will never happen again

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:04 (seven years ago) link

ugh

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:13 (seven years ago) link

what about the Johnny Bench WORLD SERIES fake-IBB strikeout?

(1972)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:15 (seven years ago) link

i was not alive but that sounds tremendous

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:18 (seven years ago) link

Cal Conley does not get set in time and gets called for the strikeout and the game ends pic.twitter.com/rQ8KOv0Sa6

— Gaurav (@gvedak) February 25, 2023

Bee OK, Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link

i mean...arguably just get in the box and be ready with 8 seconds to go imo

z_tbd, Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:49 (one year ago) link

well this sucks

https://www.mlb.com/news/luis-garcia-to-adjust-windup-due-to-2023-rule-changes

Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 February 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link

For those concerned that the pitch clock is so prominent in the background of at-bats during spring-training games: The plan in big league ballparks is for it to be out of view of the center-field camera. In other words: TV viewers will not see the physical clock during pitches.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 25, 2023

na (NA), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 17:31 (one year ago) link

cherry picked clips, of course, but

Landon Knack throwing an entire half inning vs. Pedro Báez throwing 1 pitch. pic.twitter.com/wHa2p6K7k8

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) February 27, 2023

z_tbd, Thursday, 2 March 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link

Yankees relief pitcher Wandy Peralta struck out a hitter in 20 seconds pic.twitter.com/VwEBzyXH99

— Jomboy Media (@JomboyMedia) March 2, 2023

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link

i love it! and you know what i think i’m going to love it in the post-season too. bring on the craziness.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 3 March 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

yeah the pitch clock seems good so far. there are going to be some dumb controversial calls at crucial moments ("how can a playoff game end this way" etc) but the games i've watched seem a lot peppier for sure

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link

Max Scherzer, Pitch Clock Gamesmanship.

Long hold. Adams takes his only time out.

Then Max stays set so he can pitch as soon as Adams is ready. pic.twitter.com/3uj9ucDFEl

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) March 3, 2023

na (NA), Friday, 3 March 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link

Gausman and the balk rule (paywall maybe, not sure):

https://theathletic.com/4277023/2023/03/06/kevin-gausman-delivery-rule-change-balks/

"...it’s a problem for Gausman, because he’s currently starring in a not-so-major motion picture from MLB’s new 'Mess with Your Dreamworks' studios.

It’s a little video feature, shown by MLB to managers and media alike this spring, on now-illegal pitching deliveries. And it stars Gausman, along with Houston righty Luis Garcia, as toe-tappers or false-starters whose old delivery is now considered by MLB to be a balk."

clemenza, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link

I’m watching a spring training game in which 9 runs have already scored, and we’re heading into the bottom of the 7th, and just passed 2 hours of game time. This shit appears to be working

Tracer Hand, Monday, 20 March 2023 19:07 (one year ago) link

That Scherzer clip above is so funny. What a maniac!

can i play with march madness? (PBKR), Monday, 20 March 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

watching white sox/a’s spring training game and the chyron has the pitch clock but not the number of outs

na (NA), Friday, 24 March 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

The Tigers and Guardians played a doubleheader in four hours, 13 minutes.

Andy K, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 01:07 (one year ago) link

!!

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 01:12 (one year ago) link

overkill, by a lot

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 04:56 (one year ago) link

Love baseball’s commitment to bad science

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 19 April 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link

i don’t understand why lowering the mound 6 inches is never on the cards

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

good long article on ABS. this jumped out at me:

Until recently, the technology and application had been substandard -- including a previous version, used in the 2019 Arizona Fall League, that was laughably bad, with curveballs that clipped the bottom front of the zone hitting the plate and being called strikes. MLB scuttled that three-dimensional zone for 2D, upgraded to the Hawk-Eye system best known for its incredibly accurate line-calling in tennis and installed a dozen cameras calibrated to the fixed items on the field -- home plate and the chalked baselines -- that capture the flight of the ball at 330 frames per second.

does that mean the strike zone is no longer defined as a pentagonal solid??

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:15 (one year ago) link

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-have-the-new-rules-changed-the-game/

so far, mostly good, it seems.

...For the most part, I think MLB’s rule changes have been a success. The main observable change is tempo; games are lasting less time despite a similar amount of action. That’s a big change, and as measured by pitch violations, it hasn’t excessively affected any particular team or player. Instead, the game is just moving faster, which was the stated goal of the changes.

Changing the rules to increase stolen bases seems to have worked roughly as expected: Teams are running more frequently and with more success. Those steals aren’t making the game unrecognizable, though; we’re talking about an extra half a steal per game, give or take. I think there was reason to worry whether steals would become undefendable, but the evidence suggests that hasn’t happened. Catchers who control the running game are more valuable than in recent years, but that’s also hardly an unwelcome change. For the most part, I think that the extra steals leave the game looking like a slightly faster version of itself, just like the pitch timer changes.

On the downside, the new restrictions on infield shifts haven’t accomplished much of anything. Lefties are reaching base more frequently when they put the ball on the ground, but not at pre-shift rates. Defensive positioning is still taking hits away, particularly in the middle of the field. Righty batters still have a slight BABIP advantage on lefties thanks to infield positioning. If the league wants to fix that disparity, there will have to be stricter shift restrictions, probably centered around keeping the area behind second base empty.

If you were hoping for mostly the same baseball, congratulations: you’ve got it. If you were hoping for teams to start prioritizing speedy lefty singles hitters, or for batters to start trying to keep the ball on the ground to take advantage of the new defensive restrictions, that hasn’t panned out. Teams are scoring more this year, but that’s mostly unrelated to rules changes. I think that’s great; from my perspective, the league has threaded the needle by affecting how games look without putting their thumb on the scale of offensive and defensive balance.

z_tbd, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:47 (one year ago) link

There was an observation on EW about how the BA points gained by LH batters are lost in the aggregate because teams ALSO cant shift against righties, which reenforces the belief that shifting righties doesn’t really work

My favorite thing about the pitch clock is that there's no time to replay the pitch I just saw. Keep the camera on the action, such as it is.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link

They've gotten better at showing replays within the allotted time, gave them fits at the beginning of the year

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 11 June 2023 18:52 (one year ago) link

Braves aren't showing replays on balls in play if they're just groundouts or flyouts. Arcia just went out to short center to make a nice over the shoulder catch, no replay. I'm really loving this -- it more closely matches the experience of being at the park.

The Terroir of Tiny Town (WmC), Sunday, 11 June 2023 19:12 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5961016/2024/12/02/golden-at-bat-rule-mlb/

am i just getting old, or is this the stupidest thing ever?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 02:21 (three weeks ago) link

Is both an option?

H.P, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 02:27 (three weeks ago) link

(Teasing. Yeah, I think it's silly)

H.P, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 02:27 (three weeks ago) link

"both" is fair.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 02:32 (three weeks ago) link

Take it another step and have a designated Golden Batter - who is never allowed to play any other role and no one else can be GB. Owners have to pay a guy $5 million for 162 PAs.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 03:17 (three weeks ago) link

incredible to me that jayson stark managed/was allowed to turn this horseshit idea into a 5000-word article. is he actually being paid by the word

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 03:22 (three weeks ago) link

Almost every time I see Freeman, he knows I have some inspired idea to run by him. So he was ready to poke holes in this one, in that good-natured Freddie Freeman way of his.

fuck you and fuck your editor

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 03:24 (three weeks ago) link

what editor

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 3 December 2024 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

I am not qualified and barely motivated to post about baseball at all, and after reading this hogwash I felt the need to seek out ILB to complain about this dumb shit

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 3 December 2024 22:09 (three weeks ago) link

"Golden At-Bat" just doesn't seem magical enough; I'm thinking something like the "Willy Wonka Rule."

clemenza, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 02:41 (three weeks ago) link

Take it another step and have a designated Golden Batter - who is never allowed to play any other role and no one else can be GB. Owners have to pay a guy $5 million for 162 PAs.

This isn't a bad idea -- it could be a way to keep veteran hitters in the game, like in the days when teams had roster space for pinch-hitting specialists because they weren't carrying 13 pitchers.

But a rule that might allow hitters to potentially bat twice in a row ... no no no no no.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 08:56 (three weeks ago) link

in 1998 the yankees basically had this with tim raines. he’d pop off the bench, drive in a run. over and over

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 December 2024 09:15 (three weeks ago) link

someone was trying to explain this to me last night and my thought was "he must be misremembering some details because this sounds dumb as hell"

frogbs, Friday, 6 December 2024 15:20 (two weeks ago) link

it's a constant frustration for some dingdongs that the highest leverage moment of the season might be a face-off between say jackson kowar and diego cartaya

when actually real heads love this

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 December 2024 17:09 (two weeks ago) link

like you don’t get one of key things that makes baseball distinct if you want to deprive mark bellinghorn of his big moment

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 December 2024 17:44 (two weeks ago) link

if i can't see the Brett Phillips of the world make unexpected, life affirming, game winning hits then i don't know if i want to watch baseball anymore

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 6 December 2024 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

If there'd been a Golden At-Bat rule, he'd just be plain old Bucky Dent.

clemenza, Friday, 6 December 2024 18:21 (two weeks ago) link

it seems like all of this discussion is happening bc six weeks ago rob manfred said on a podcast that someone at an owner's meeting brought up the potential idea of the golden at-bat. i.e. it doesn't seem like it's actually being seriously considered or likely to happen.

na (NA), Friday, 6 December 2024 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

francisco cabrera

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 6 December 2024 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

^^^fp'd

mookieproof, Friday, 6 December 2024 21:12 (two weeks ago) link

The Short Happy Life of the Golden At-Bat.

https://www.mlb.com/news/commissioner-rob-manfred-says-there-are-no-plans-for-golden-at-bat

clemenza, Saturday, 7 December 2024 00:40 (two weeks ago) link

if i can't see the Brett Phillips of the world make unexpected, life affirming, game winning hits

See I'd just forgotten this and then you go and bring it up

H.P, Saturday, 7 December 2024 00:43 (two weeks ago) link

Glad they scrapped the golden at-bat, now bring back pitchers hitting.

H.P, Saturday, 7 December 2024 00:44 (two weeks ago) link

^^^

The first rule in the book states:

1.00–OBJECTIVES OF THE GAME
1.01 Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under
direction of a manager, played on an enclosed field in accordance
with these rules, under jurisdiction of one or more umpire

Lineup cards have had 10 slots since 1973 for the AL, and for all of MLB since 2022.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 7 December 2024 19:02 (two weeks ago) link


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