Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

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special ed remedial class for "non-asshole studies"

Which (to stay on topic) most contemporary American conservatives would regard as "liberal reeducation camp for wrongthink"

twas in the fleek midwinter (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link

child's family or church or girl scout troop, or soccer team,

Any other common venues for sexual abuse been left out there?

― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:00 AM (six hours ago)

what better way to learn empathy than as a victim of pedophilia?

sarahell, Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link

So really, the gropers are doing the kids a favor. You're welcome.

sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 31 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link

:-/

the late great, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

xp to thomp

the late great, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

Maybe one useful benchmark for this thread is, "Would Morrissey agree with your post?"

sarahell, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link

your posts no itt? probably

Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link

i meant the above more or less sincerely

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link

:-)

the late great, Sunday, 31 December 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link

i have a thread for you

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link

gimme more james morrison

marcos, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

Yelploaf, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:31 (six years ago) link

I think I'm more conservative in my opinions about people I know than about people in general.

DJI, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:51 (six years ago) link

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was moving
and that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:07 (six years ago) link

I understand the kid grew from the experience and that it wasn’t exploitative but still... I think adults should stay away from teenagers.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:24 (six years ago) link

I’m not against the movie for portraying this relationshio the way it did and I am not even condemning the Oliver character. Maybe it’s just more like... watching it... I realized that if I was Elio’s parent I wouldn’t have been chill with this.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:31 (six years ago) link

Although apparently Oliver is only supposed to be 24. He seemed way older in the film to me.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link

suggest a rename to 'aspects of my ignorance i'd rather post about than address'

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was movingand that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, January 16, 2018

I wouldn't date you either.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

That's not an uncool conservative belief at any rate, it's something a lot of right-on social justice ppl have brought up to criticize the film with (that and "the book was written by a straight").

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:45 (six years ago) link

I've seen the last remark, and it's so absurd that it's beneath contempt.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

Feel like current pro-sex work rhetoric is rarely about sex work being empowering and much more frequently about the idea that sex worker's labour rights matter more than moral qualms concerning content. Which shoves some things under the bed, sure.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

― Yelploaf

my particular brand of hippie liberalism holds that everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices, but it's in society's best interest to help people even if they don't personally "deserve" it. because, and here's my uncool conservative belief, i think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link

i don't think that's actually a radical belief of debatable coolness

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link

wait

i don't think it's conservative, i think it's radical

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link

which part is radical? the individualism or the nihilism?

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link

i think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

"Use every man after his desert, and who should scape whipping?" -Bob Marley, 1601

Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link

think that once you start actually judging people critically that nobody deserves to live.

why do you hate novels and short stories?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link

humans are kind of the most pathetic among the animals in that we know we're going to die. it makes us little whimpery weirdo scaredy cats. we deserve pity at the very least.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link

Porn and sex work in general is not empowering, is gross, and is damaging to the workers and consumers, unless they are already total sociopaths

― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison)

from a social perspective being pro-sex work is radical, but from an economic perspective it seems kind of neoliberal, in that it's got these implicit assumptions about the inherent dignity of wage labour.

uncool conservative belief: i think societies should be more accepting of celibacy as a lifestyle choice

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link

i think 'nobody deserves to live' is radical, or at least radically nonsensical

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link

I think it's coherent to believe and behave as if everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices but I don't think it's remotely true.

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link

can it be radically conservative at least?

philosophically i guess i might rephrase it as "nobody has the individual moral right to continue to live". i think this is a conservative argument because it has parallels to the doctrine of fundamental moral depravity preached by many christians, though i don't necessarily frame my belief from a christian perspective.

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link

I think it's coherent to believe and behave as if everybody is wholly and fully responsible for their individual life choices but I don't think it's remotely true.

― hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, January 17, 2018 6:42 AM (five minutes ago)

it's not, but it makes a good alternative to learned helplessness and i find applying it in my own life helps me focus on those choices i can make rather than the things i don't have a choice in.

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link

i think the difference (or total lack of difference, depending on your point of view) between what it's useful to believe yourself when making decisions and how to treat & judge other people after they've made their decisions/life has happened to them is a key liberal-conservative point of distinction

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link

I can totally see it as a counter to learned helplessness but there has to be a Third Way

hell is auteur people (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link

let me rephrase it like this: if anybody is responsible for what happens to me, it's me, and whether or not something that happens to me is fair or a result of free choice, i have to accept the consequences. if i have a panic attack and i blow up at somebody and i get fired from my job as a result of that, you know, there's no point in spending a lot of time feeling guilty over my actions because it wasn't something i had a whole lot of control over. of course i'm still going to feel guilty because people have emotions but it's not something i go out of my way to feed. at the same time it's important for me to not say "well there's clearly no point in me going out and looking for work because at any time i could have another panic attack and fuck that job up too", even though saying that would be true.

i am more judgmental of myself than i am of other people. i guess that makes me liberal?

Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link

Nothing special about 1/7000000000th of a global population why bother getting weepy about whether someone deserves to be judged or not

Besides judging ppl in 99.999% of circs has zero effect on the subject it's literally posing to judge and worse posing to get haughty about someone else judging

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link

i am responsible for lots of things that happen to other people (sort of, as long as you don't pull at 'responsibility' too hard). i think lots of people do not accept things that happen to them and some of them do so v effectively (cf. all that gumph about how a certain degree of paranoia about outside forces can leave your ego/optimism in tact).

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link

seems awfully judgemental to call it haughty deems, if you constituted a more significant proportion of humankind I'd be offended by such posing

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link

But luckily, eh

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link

pose away in blessed irrelevance, my sweet prince

ogmor, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link

*nods*

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link

I saw “call me by your name” and thought it was moving
and that the younger actor delivered an incredible performance BUT i also felt that the relationship was inappropriate given the gap in the characters’ ages/life experience.

― treeship 2, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:07 PM (yesterday

finding such a relationship inappropriate is anything but conservative

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't comment specifically, but my uncool conservative belief is that I think judging individual relationships from this standpoint is inappropriate, and arrogant. I think that disparities in age/income/etc can complicate relationships, and from a zoomed-out, societal perspective they can tell us a lot about unhealthy tendencies and what we value, but I don't believe it is my place to judge an individual relationship unless I know the people personally. I think any two people can love each other

k3vin k., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link

Timothy Chalment did such a good job conveying the vulnerability and uncertainty of adolescence that his character “read” in some ways as younger than 17, which sparked my discomfort, which was really just that, not some kind of edict I passed on the film. I felt uncool and conservative for feeling like that bc the person I saw the film with unreservedly loved it. (I loved it too actually — an amazing cinematic portrayal of desire, vulnerability, coming of age, beautifully shot, etc) but still there was this lingering discomfort about the age thing.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link

a friend and a cousin of mine, both in their 30s, died of opioid overdoses in november. i don't see a reason to think that they were victims of anything other than the decisions they made. i feel uncool in this thought.

― Yelploaf

most people die of opioid overdoses because due to prohibition they have no idea what's in their drugs and what strength they are. we could as a society easily treat addiction as a public health issue instead of a crime issue, we don't, so lots of people die needlessly.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link

and addiction isn't a choice

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link

When you live with addicts or love them it’s really hard not to be furious with them though.

treeship 2, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link

oh yeah i know that haha.

khat person (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link


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