thread for non-diegetic posters - list and discuss

imago's gf

deej's world of young ppl

shakey's daughter

though the last two on the list have not contributed to the discourse recently, whereas imago's gf appears to be averaging at least one post a day

would you say that was more than ample?

i would

Robert Grazer (xeernoflax.juno.com) who posted a coruscating dismissal of the rolling stones on 8/25/01 that lives on in aeternum

but he is diegetic, considering his exact words were copied and posted here

diegesis means slightly different things in different fields and afaict it does not have a clear meaning in message board studies yet, though 'robert grazer' is probably a hypodiegetic element since i invented him, or just not diegetic at all since most posters originally just thought i was robert grazer

you aren't?

well, i think we can work towards a definition of the term in message board studies --

if you use the definition from film studies, diegetic music's source is visible. While Robert Grazer on 8/25/01 did not post his enlightening opinions about the Rolling Stones on ilx himself, an exact copy of said opinions were posted. I see it as akin to someone playing a record onscreen -- an album by a band, if you will -- and that is the music we hear. Except in this case the album by a band is the text written by Robert Grazer on 8/25/01 about the overrated nature of a band which produced albums

nous sommes tous robert grazer

je n'suis pas robert grazer

sorry that is just how i feel

it's quite a jean pierre melville sort of name, a name that amerophile writers and directors of policiers would dream up

you are getting off-topic

message board studies is a serious discipline

http://screencomment.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/lino_ventura.jpg

robert grazer, irl

i like that this q posits the entirety of ilx as fiction

music or sound source doesn't strictly speaking need to be visible to be diagetic of course - i.e. the muzak in an elevator - it just needs to be motivated by something that makes sense in the world of the movie, rather than our world

i feel like the dutch threads that occasionally crash into site new answers feel non-diagetic

yeah I mean really non-diegetic would be invisible to the players ie us

but visible to the audience ie....?

well, in the sense that we see the elevator, and it is ostensibly the source of the muzak, then idk if that's the best example

luna

it's more like:

couple sits down in seats after entering a concert hall and we hear Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries

vs.

couple are having illicit sex against a brick wall in an alley and we hear Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries

I see it as akin to someone playing a record onscreen -- an album by a band, if you will -- and that is the music we hear = to extend this dubious analogy then it would be like a miles davis track being played in a scene set in a parisian brothel while hardboiled expatriate narco detective robert grazer argues with the madame, only then at the end of the scene it's revealed that miles davis and friends were there all along in the corner, so at least initially extradiegetic since we are concerned not with truth but with phenomenal experience

the imaginary people who shakey is talking to are extradiegetic

ilx posts with striking imagery

xp lol

some comedies have done this obv

always loved in taxi driver where sport puts a record on and it's the taxi driver theme

b-b-but sarahell we see the concert hall, and it is ostensibly the source of the music!!

no, j/ks, yes i agree

I'm saying the concert hall and the elevator (unless the music we hear is phenomenally different than what we would expect in terms of sound quality) = diegetic
symphonic recording of Wagner during alley fucking = non-diegetic

since we are concerned not with truth but with phenomenal experience

yes, exactly. I mean, obviously we are seeing a pre-recorded representation of people in an elevator, or a nightclub, or a concert hall -- they aren't actually there, we aren't actually there. But it is a realistic representation -- a mimesis (is that the right term?) -- based on our experiences

maybe an argument for dennis perrin to be counted as an extradiegetic character, or at least who i thought dennis perrin was, some sort of tryhard bill maher type of american late night tv comedy personality, whereas he is actually some random opinions4u type with 654 twitter followers

I'd suggest that a c&p of a post or text counts as diegetic, esp. if the source is readily available through a search. I'd also suggest that a representation of the opinion of a person that only exists through the posts of another poster would be non-diegetic.

Maybe diegetic is the wrong term?

But I think dennis perrin and robert glazer would belong to one category and deej's world of young ppl and lj's gf would belong to another

no not dennis perrin the twitter bro

??

the notion that someone with 2% of the twitter followers of 17 yr old chelsea youth team player dom solanke would deserve such sustained devotion from a message board poster is so implausible that we might as well say that 'imaginary entity presumably corresponding to the name dennis perrin' a controversial irish american comedian who recently got sued by an nfl player for calling him out as a spousal abuser on twitter before saying he got him confused with another player who looked like him, is an extradiegetic ilx poster

[imaginary entity presumably corresponding to the name dennis perrin] will be familiar to most of the 5,216 registered users of ilx, so in a way he is more real or at least more important than the actual dennis perrin

but if one of the 5,216 registered users was not familiar with "dennis perrin" other than as a source of twitter posts, one could easily verify through twitter that this "dennis perrin" exists outside of the asserted reality of the posters discussing him.

whereas lj's gf's various opinions about nominated tracks are totally unverifiable

virtually nobody would bother to look it up because his c&ped tweets are so insipid, so for the thousands of other ilx readers who still think [imaginary entity presumably corresponding to the name dennis perrin] exists, he is an extradiegetic characte s as separate as all of the various iterations of [my gf] who have had their opinions on bands posted on ilx through the years

whether they would bother or not isn't the issue!

OK, brutally honest -- in the deep dark '80's I accompanied a nubile, mainstream young lady to a Lionel Richie concert for the most ulterior (or is that anterior) of motives. Thank god Tina Turner was opening up (this was immediately before her comeback) or I'd have fallen asleep entirely.

― Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:13 (11 years ago)

4. jaymc's "film critic friend"
Defining Characteristics: metaphorically stands in for ILXors pathological habit for using film critic quotes instead of stating their own thoughts
Most Famous Battle(s): being invoked by adamrl on the Capote thread
Humanizing Factor: is friends with jaymc, so is probably sweet like sugar pie
Secret Powers: too good to throw down in the low-down catty 300-plus-post battles
Weak Point/Guilty Pleasure/Kryptonite Analogue: ditto
Known Enemies: adamrl
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:00 (3 years ago)

― admrl, Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:15 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

“diegetic” concept makes more sense if one is just lurker/ audience/ reader of ilx, not character up on stage as well, not part of the ilx diegetic world (our shared purgatory)

if by "non-diegetic" we mean unseen character, referred to, discussed, or quoted by characters onstage, I’d say my fave in ilx history is mark s's "dr vick"

also feel compelled to adduce gear’s trucker-hat roommate

hoos is a big nexus for non-diagetic posters. atm he has a roommate in his coop that fits the bill.

LJ's novel

lol y

hitler

A. Hitler wrote this on thread List the world's inarguably Greatest People. on board I Love Everything on 19-Aug-2005

swastiki-post
Hey, fuck you, bitch. I invented teh fire.

Hitler wrote this on thread Why do politicians bother delivering speeches? on board I Love Everything on 29-Nov-2005

anthony hitler wrote this on thread Should I burn these books? on board I Love Everything on 16-Oct-2005

you can kill my family tree but you cant kill me! a. hitler
adolf hitler wrote this on thread What’s the point of wars anyway? OK, so it keeps squaddies in work but otherwise it’s a bit useless isn’t it? on board I Love Everything on 10-Feb-2005

war is the hygiene of civilisations.
Adolf Hitler wrote this on thread Classical Music: Why Bother? on board I Love Music on 04-Oct-2002

I like Wagner, to the point that I recently bought an old LP box set. There's something about the teutonic crashes and braying brass that sing to my northern soul. Every other composer sounds like a sissy.
Achtung! I'll second that!

Adolf Hitler wrote this on thread Cosloy vs. ex-intern FITE! on board I Love Music on 17-Feb-2005

Dear Dan Bunnybrain:
Thank you so much for your request to add me as your friend on MySpace. However, due to the large amount of requests I receive to be virtual friends with many worthwhile applicants as yourself, I must suspend adding you to my list for the time being. I will certainly reconsider the addition in a future date. Or you can simply remind me in a time frame no less than six months from now. Thank you very much for considering me, and I really wish you the best of friends. :)

Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler wrote this on thread I hate Hitler on board I Rate Everything on 11-May-2006

Yea I think Lincoln could've won... Back then my arthritus was nasty, and he had a top hat after all
Sieg Heil!

Always suspected hitler would be a dork who signed his post like it was a fuckin email

Serialist Music: Why Bother?

Ostlegionen vs. comintern FITE!

What’s the point of wars anyway? OK, so it keeps squaddies in work but otherwise it’s a bit useless isn’t it?

Lol that one leapt out, wonder who started that

Wars will continue for the same reason that Debbie Gibson in Playboy will continue to be creamed over.
Why?

Because...

*drum roll*

MEN HAVE DICKS!

Good answer sir, that's a good answer.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 10 February 2005 09:57 (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

when i was seven & threw money into a fountain i wished for world peace and thought myself especially good that i asked for that and for nothing selfish

Ur a saint

I really don’t like rich people, because they are invariably even dumber than squaddies… (started by C-Taylor on board I Love Everything on 19-Nov-2004)

this person was a treat

squaddies are mostly shit but given the number of teenager runaways, abuse victims, mentally ill people etc who abscond and enlist it's rather suspicious that people moan about them rather than the officer class of authoritarian cunts too thick to join the city or the professions

yes, it is

monster mash's fictional gardner

That wee lassie Jonathan Hellion Whatever's always going on about.

hey i enjoy whimsical hallucinations

chaki's hot chick waiting for him in bed

Ah, the old ones are the best.

suzy's famous friends

hsb's friends who are always doing scorn worthy things

hitler

gaz coombes

frederik b's puppetmaster

your mom

grimes definitely feels like a NDP lol

Chemical Resistance of Commodity Thermoplastics by grimes

My Jake Gyllenhaal.