What do we think of the new Pre-Season Cup rules?

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I like the rule where the ball is still in play if it rebounds off the post, it is good to see they retained the 9-point goal, and the rule regarding the runner is going to make life interesting for the coach.

Can someone please explain how the boundary ump throwing the ball in from 10 metres infield is going to speed up the game? I can't see how that would work.

Kiwi in Oz (Kiwi in Oz), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:32 (twenty-two years ago)

No score if it bounces off the goal post back into play? Oh, please God, no!!!!!

When Tony Lockett lined up after the siren in the 96 prelim he knew if he put the ball anywhere within a target area 21 metres wide, he would score and his side would win. Under this scenario, he would not score if he hit a particular spot in the middle of that target area but would if he went a foot one side or the other. It's a gratuitous introduction of luck into the equation, for no urgent reason I can see. But I have no problem with the rule applying to the point posts, except that I hope they can prove there is no increase in the chances of injury, if players are still going for the ball before AND AFTER it strikes the post.

Is a mark off the post still a mark? (Or does it have to be one hand, like off the shed wall in Backyard Cricket?)

Bringing the boundary ump in 10 metres would make it harder for a side to knock the ball out again, as the ball would have to travel another 10 metres to reach the line, and it would be much harder to make it look accidental.

The bloke marking in the goal square being allowed to shoot from in front? No problem. Anything that strips the Darren Goldspinks of this world of another excuse to drag the attention onto themselves and milk their moment, has to be good. Hopefully it applies to free kicks as well.

One runner only: About bloody time too, and hopefully that is only the thin end of the wedge!

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Thursday, 18 December 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

cant we just leave the game alone, the preseason should be about getting teams ready for the real thing not confusing them with crap rules which are all scrapped once the season starts.

jsa, Thursday, 18 December 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

There are rule changes that improve the game (average one per 5 yrs if that), and rule changes that justify the existance of the Rules Committee. Most of the changes brought in for the Mickey Mouse Cup over the last couple of years fall into the second category.

But while it's only the pre-season comp, as I don't give a bugger anyway it's none of my business I suppose.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Thursday, 18 December 2003 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't like the 9 point goal and I don't like the play on situation when it hits the post, drop them now.

I'm not to sure about the goal square mark one, scrutiny then goes on to the umpire to see if the mark is in the square or just outside. In the end it just adds a complication to the game for little value.

The 10m thing with the boundary throw in has merit, harder to put the ball back out of bounds and opens up the space around the play. Keating in the GF showed the value of big knocks into open space at boundary throws and ruck contests generally. This could be the one in five year one Fred.

Big Bird (Big Bird), Thursday, 18 December 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

IMO, The nine point goal is bollocks but there's nothing wrong with the rebound off the post rule.

About pre-season though, we should just scrap the whole thing and play 30 rounds with a top five finals series. The extra matches reduces the financial need for a top eight that rewards mediocrity and the 30 round minor round series eliminates some of the inequities of the draw.

Either that or two clubs have to go and we have a 26 round season. You can trial out new players/strategies in trial games and intraclub practice hit outs. So much of the football year is Mickey Mouse.

Lets get on with it and kick a friggin goal.

regards,

REB


Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

'there's nothing wrong with the rebound off the post rule.'

Except

'...(eg Lockett in 96 Prelim) would not score if he hit a particular spot in the middle of the target area but would if he went a foot one side or the other. It's a gratuitous introduction of luck into the equation, for no urgent reason I can see.'

Whichever LSD-addled clown with the rules committee's ear brainstormed this one, and whoever stopped the discussion on its merits at 'hey, wouldn't that be a hoot?', should be dragged down Brunton Avenue behind a tram. It's a shocker.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Just one thing Frederick. If the kick (like Lockett's in 96) is after the siren wouldn't that nulfiy the rule? You can't play on after the siren has gone. Different rule, same result. Swannies by a point and another chip on Sheed's shoulder. In fact it would have pissed him off even more LOL.

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"About pre-season though, we should just scrap the whole thing and play 30 rounds with a top five finals series. The extra matches reduces the financial need for a top eight that rewards mediocrity and the 30 round minor round series eliminates some of the inequities of the draw."

REB only problem with this is Port Power would never win anything then!

Lucy Lion (Lucy Lion), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

"Keating in the GF showed the value of big knocks into open space at boundary throws and ruck contests generally"

Big Bird I seem to remember Robbie Copeland thumping the ball close to 50 metres in one game.

Lucy Lion (Lucy Lion), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The rule I would like to see introduced is that after a behind has been scored the kick out must clear the 50 metre arc. This would bring about more marking contests, open up attacking opportunities for both the attacking and defending sides, stop the attacking side from "zoning up" because the defenders can kick to the side of the ground with the greatest numbers and stop bullshit non-contested, fiddlly, keepings-off in the back half. (And that's got to be good for Port Adelaide in Preliminary finals against Collingwood)

West Coast used it as a tactic in some games with David Wirrapunda kicking 70m+ torps to players on the run towards their goals. It makes the guy standing with hands in the air 30 metres from goal look as stupid as he should look. And sure stops the flood.

Big Bird (Big Bird), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Id like to see the rule whereby salary caps are even across the board, this will ensure all clubs are on an even playing field, thus reduce the great lions to mere mortals.

jsa, Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"REB only problem with this is Port Power would never win anything then!"

...you call THAT a problem?

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

"Id like to see the rule whereby salary caps are even across the board, this will ensure all clubs are on an even playing field, thus reduce the great lions to mere mortals."

...THAT wouldn't be a problem either!!

:)

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yessss.............it was Brisbane's salary cap that made Port play brainless football in the PF. AND it was Brisbane's salary cap that made the Collingwood players hear footsteps all day the following week.

Then it got on the bus, came back to Brissy and forced all those guys to take pay cuts and wages at less then market rates.

I reckon that salary cay sure earns his money.

Got to take your hat off to him.

Very handy thing that salary cap

Big Bird (Big Bird), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yes thats correct big bird, whilst only winding u up, butif they had to be cut back to everybody else's cap then u might have seen 1 or 2 walk.

Another great rule would be every coach with a shit gameplan must be sacked. Mybe we can adopt this one at Port Adelaide, and even maybe geelong and richmond

jsa, Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

You mean kicking it over an experienced forward's head in a pack isn't a good game plan? So many wasted Saturdays...

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

...I mean INexperienced forward of course..I WAS talking about Geelong here :(

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know jsa, it was just that you caught me between coffee's.

I've got a soft spot for Port as I use to follow them in the SANFL. That PF last year was for me the most disappointing game all year, especially after their great effort against Essendon the week before.

BTW I happened to be looking at a poster yesterday of the Lions 2001 team, 37 players - 9 of them were not on the list at the start of 2003. That's nearly 25% turnover in two years/18 months, that struck me as a fairly high turnover especially with 7 of them playing at other clubs.

Big Bird (Big Bird), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

WTF Big Bird, whats this i used to barrack for Port???

as for brissy its more the core group that have stayed the same, not too mention the fact that copeland can punch the ball 50 meteres, i mean that is something to stand and applaud, did he use his head>>>

jsa, Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

In the SANFL brother................ the SANFL.

Big Bird (Big Bird), Thursday, 18 December 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

but u cant change, you have to endure the suffering like us all

jsa, Thursday, 18 December 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Luv it.

Fighting amongst yourselves while the Eagles slip in and pinch a flag from under your noses.

Keep it up, keep it up.

Westener (Westener), Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:04 (twenty-two years ago)

LOL@Westerner. The Eagles couln't pinch Anna-Nicole Smith's ample ar5e.

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Friday, 19 December 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone who likes Port has a soft spot...in the head LOL.

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Friday, 19 December 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)


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