Obama shoulda bombed at Budokan― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:43 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, October 13, 2016 8:43 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Bob Dylan at Budokan rules btw.
― Treeship, Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link
I'm really excited about this. Bob Dylan deserves it.
Expanding the definition of "literature" is a good thing imo. Dylan certainly writes good words.
― sacral intercourse conducive to vegetal luxuriance (askance johnson), Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link
otm. The idea that "real" poetry is something written rather than performed is super ahistorical as well.
― Treeship, Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link
Otm. Just ask Homer and Jethro.
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
if people can't see the many parallels of homer and mr zimmerman humanity really has no chance
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 13 October 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link
books get little enough exposure as it is without giving this award to dylanI don't think "serious literature" or any of the possible nominees are in need of pity
entire idea of lyrics as poetry or literature is a fallacybelieve it's the other way around
anyway, I'm sure Bob is cheered up by this and it's the most popular Nobel prize in my time which is great - some people are complaining that next year it might as well be Stephen King, but that would be a great thing! pretentious modernist aesthetics are way done
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
The Homer comparison obviously isn't meant to elevate Dylan. The point is that sung poetry and poetry with musical accompaniment are way older than written poetry, and it's only a narrow definition of literature that would exclude the traditions of oral narrative poetry. So why exclude songwriters?
― jmm, Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:17 (seven years ago) link
I suspect a certain gaggle of self-important Swedes would never see him as a worthy recipient
well cover me with icing and call me a cake, he won!
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure Bob is cheered up by this and it's the most popular Nobel prize in my time which is great
Pinteresque silence.
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
weird to think the swedish academy thinks america's best writer is someone who dedicated his life to writing limerick-like verses with alternating rhyme schemes purely for music
sounds like exoticization of american culture
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:03 (seven years ago) link
Stephen King is a better writer than Bob Dylan and would have been a better choice
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
he hasn't got as great tunes, though
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
http://static.oprah.com/images/obc/201004/slideshow/20100414-rock-bottom-remainders-stephen-king-band-600x411.jpg
― Har-@-Iago (wins), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:13 (seven years ago) link
hmm will have to look into that
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Rock Bottom Remainders, right?
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
so what you're saying is woody allen might be inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame afterall
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
i don't care who wins any award but the idea that lyrics can't be "real" poetry or literature is some reactionary nonsense
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
stephen king is actually a really bad writer. i checked and everything.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
mark e smith should get it next btw
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link
craziest thing ever said on this website?
― a (waterface), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link
he may have better penmanship
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link
"He’s the heir, the unlikely offspring of Arthur Rimbaud and Walt Whitman. But he’s neither Rimbaud nor Whitman. He’s Bob Dylan. Is he a poet or a songwriter? The same answer applies: He’s Bob Dylan. I find myself falling back (again!) on Emily Dickinson’s remark: “If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry.” Dylan’s songs can make us feel that pleasurable shock of being partially decapitated by beauty."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/books/review/bob-dylan-musician-or-poet.html?_r=0
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
I tried to make sense of it: http://www.mtv.com/news/2943039/bob-dylan-deserves-that-nobel-prize/?curator=MusicREDEF
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
basically, he inspires people as much as - or more than - great poetry does and in similar ways. cuzza the poetic nature of his lyrics. he really is massive world-wide too. you can't really underestimate the effect he had on the world. even if you hate him.
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
has lex heard any of bob dylan's literature yet
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
I will admit dylan is a better writer than stephen king. Of course, so is my dog's vomit.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
yeah: https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2012/sep/13/bob-dylan-tempest-lyrics xp
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
A he was given such a mediocre record for review
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
This idea that giving the prize to a bad beat poet modeling himself on Rimbaud and Whitman is somehow fresh because modernism is dead is insane. Yeah, Joyce was nearly hundreds of years ago, but Dylan's lyrics are still some oldfashioned/reactionary bullshit.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
Well, not 'hundreds', but...
xp A shame he was***
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
reactionary?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
or old fashioned?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
He probably is a fascist tho'.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Nobody feels any painTonight as I stand inside the rainEverybody knowsThat Baby’s got new clothesBut lately I see her ribbons and her bowsHave fallen from her curlsShe takes just like a woman, yes, she doesShe makes love just like a woman, yes, she doesAnd she aches just like a womanBut she breaks just like a little girl
Queen Mary, she’s my friendYes, I believe I’ll go see her againNobody has to guessThat Baby can’t be blessedTill she sees finally that she’s like all the restWith her fog, her amphetamine and her pearlsShe takes just like a woman, yes, she doesShe makes love just like a woman, yes, she doesAnd she aches just like a womanBut she breaks just like a little girl
It was raining from the firstAnd I was dying here of thirstSo I came in hereAnd your long-time curse hurtsBut what’s worseIs this pain in hereI can’t stay in hereAin’t it clear that
I just can’t fitYes, I believe it’s time for us to quitWhen we meet againIntroduced as friendsPlease don’t let on that you knew me whenI was hungry and it was your worldAh, you fake just like a woman, yes, you doYou make love just like a woman, yes, you doThen you ache just like a womanBut you break just like a little girl
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
transplendent!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Its not like T S Eliot does any better than this.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
lex was pretty otm
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
I wish Frederik had just said Dylan sucked
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
Dylan sucks! Especially his 'electric' period, which is what I assume the committee referenced in their statement.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
Why are you being wrong about his electric period (and it was electric no need of scare quotes)
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
I already miss Morbz, at least he would've gotten my joek
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
what happened to Morbz?!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
51'd
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
Over the US elections?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
I guess? Admin Log thread says it was a "slow accumulation". I didn't see anything particularly egregious, just his usual crap.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
I just sometimes use scare quotes around terms. His acoustic songs from his electric period suck as well.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
we are talking about Morbz now
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link