so what you're saying is woody allen might be inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame afterall
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
i don't care who wins any award but the idea that lyrics can't be "real" poetry or literature is some reactionary nonsense
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:26 (seven years ago) link
stephen king is actually a really bad writer. i checked and everything.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link
mark e smith should get it next btw
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:30 (seven years ago) link
Stephen King is a better writer than Bob Dylan and would have been a better choice
craziest thing ever said on this website?
― a (waterface), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link
he may have better penmanship
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:39 (seven years ago) link
"He’s the heir, the unlikely offspring of Arthur Rimbaud and Walt Whitman. But he’s neither Rimbaud nor Whitman. He’s Bob Dylan. Is he a poet or a songwriter? The same answer applies: He’s Bob Dylan. I find myself falling back (again!) on Emily Dickinson’s remark: “If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry.” Dylan’s songs can make us feel that pleasurable shock of being partially decapitated by beauty."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/books/review/bob-dylan-musician-or-poet.html?_r=0
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
I tried to make sense of it: http://www.mtv.com/news/2943039/bob-dylan-deserves-that-nobel-prize/?curator=MusicREDEF
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
basically, he inspires people as much as - or more than - great poetry does and in similar ways. cuzza the poetic nature of his lyrics. he really is massive world-wide too. you can't really underestimate the effect he had on the world. even if you hate him.
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
has lex heard any of bob dylan's literature yet
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
I will admit dylan is a better writer than stephen king. Of course, so is my dog's vomit.
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
yeah: https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2012/sep/13/bob-dylan-tempest-lyrics xp
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
A he was given such a mediocre record for review
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
This idea that giving the prize to a bad beat poet modeling himself on Rimbaud and Whitman is somehow fresh because modernism is dead is insane. Yeah, Joyce was nearly hundreds of years ago, but Dylan's lyrics are still some oldfashioned/reactionary bullshit.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:33 (seven years ago) link
Well, not 'hundreds', but...
xp A shame he was***
― niels, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
reactionary?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
or old fashioned?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link
He probably is a fascist tho'.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
Nobody feels any painTonight as I stand inside the rainEverybody knowsThat Baby’s got new clothesBut lately I see her ribbons and her bowsHave fallen from her curlsShe takes just like a woman, yes, she doesShe makes love just like a woman, yes, she doesAnd she aches just like a womanBut she breaks just like a little girl
Queen Mary, she’s my friendYes, I believe I’ll go see her againNobody has to guessThat Baby can’t be blessedTill she sees finally that she’s like all the restWith her fog, her amphetamine and her pearlsShe takes just like a woman, yes, she doesShe makes love just like a woman, yes, she doesAnd she aches just like a womanBut she breaks just like a little girl
It was raining from the firstAnd I was dying here of thirstSo I came in hereAnd your long-time curse hurtsBut what’s worseIs this pain in hereI can’t stay in hereAin’t it clear that
I just can’t fitYes, I believe it’s time for us to quitWhen we meet againIntroduced as friendsPlease don’t let on that you knew me whenI was hungry and it was your worldAh, you fake just like a woman, yes, you doYou make love just like a woman, yes, you doThen you ache just like a womanBut you break just like a little girl
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link
transplendent!
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
Its not like T S Eliot does any better than this.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
lex was pretty otm
― mookieproof, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
I wish Frederik had just said Dylan sucked
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
Dylan sucks! Especially his 'electric' period, which is what I assume the committee referenced in their statement.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
― LL Cantante (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
Why are you being wrong about his electric period (and it was electric no need of scare quotes)
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
I already miss Morbz, at least he would've gotten my joek
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
what happened to Morbz?!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
51'd
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
Over the US elections?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:54 (seven years ago) link
I guess? Admin Log thread says it was a "slow accumulation". I didn't see anything particularly egregious, just his usual crap.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link
I just sometimes use scare quotes around terms. His acoustic songs from his electric period suck as well.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
we are talking about Morbz now
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link
"morbz"
― mark s, Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:58 (seven years ago) link
also all this discussion should be on the de lillo thread, to annoy philip roth
wtf this is permanent?!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah you get to keep them iirc
― Har-@-Iago (wins), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
Wooden poetry > electric poetry
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:04 (seven years ago) link
glad fred is as sensible about poetry as he is about u.s. politics
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
fred is sub-hongro at best.
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
his sanctimonious schtick is almost Morbzian maybe we can make him nu-Morbz
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
I'll continue til I'm seventy, and then my posts will win the Nobel, and won't you all feel stupid.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
No one will take the Nobel seriously by then we would have all grown-up
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
Also the Swedes are wellknown Danophobes, complicating my plan further.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
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i lol'd
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Mookie I want you to know that I only fpd u itt because I know you are never gonna approach 51 and we're still cool ok
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
I think the Nobel Prize Committee was just feeling kinda irrelevant, marginalized and down in the dumps and they needed something to cheer themselves up, so they made a pick where no one would say "huh, who's that?", a pick that would get people talking, a pick that provoked passion. Just watch, next year they'll pick whoever is the national poet of Kyrgyzstan.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 13 October 2016 23:54 (seven years ago) link
Still, weird for them to lower themselves to the level of Q Magazine
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 14 October 2016 08:57 (seven years ago) link