glad fred is as sensible about poetry as he is about u.s. politics
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:32 (seven years ago) link
fred is sub-hongro at best.
― scott seward, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
his sanctimonious schtick is almost Morbzian maybe we can make him nu-Morbz
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 October 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link
I'll continue til I'm seventy, and then my posts will win the Nobel, and won't you all feel stupid.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:00 (seven years ago) link
No one will take the Nobel seriously by then we would have all grown-up
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:02 (seven years ago) link
Also the Swedes are wellknown Danophobes, complicating my plan further.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link
wtf this is permanent?!
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah you get to keep them iirc
― Har-@-Iago (wins), Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:03 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i lol'd
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:13 (seven years ago) link
Mookie I want you to know that I only fpd u itt because I know you are never gonna approach 51 and we're still cool ok
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 October 2016 22:14 (seven years ago) link
I think the Nobel Prize Committee was just feeling kinda irrelevant, marginalized and down in the dumps and they needed something to cheer themselves up, so they made a pick where no one would say "huh, who's that?", a pick that would get people talking, a pick that provoked passion. Just watch, next year they'll pick whoever is the national poet of Kyrgyzstan.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 13 October 2016 23:54 (seven years ago) link
Still, weird for them to lower themselves to the level of Q Magazine
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 14 October 2016 08:57 (seven years ago) link
Being associated with Dylan elevates the Nobel Prize
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:01 (seven years ago) link
if anything in my opinion he is underrated and should get this prize again next year (for his painting)
― mark s, Friday, 14 October 2016 09:02 (seven years ago) link
finally, alfred has truly atoned
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 14 October 2016 09:03 (seven years ago) link
everyone must get atoned
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:04 (seven years ago) link
Any other known plagiarists won the Nobel before?
― I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:10 (seven years ago) link
"Good writers borrow, great writers steal." - Nobel Prize winner T.S. Eliot
― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:17 (seven years ago) link
Lifetime Achievement Award for contribution to the motion pictures industry at next Oscars, gotta happen.
― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:18 (seven years ago) link
Fred has warmed me to Dylan winning this tbh
― legitimate concerns about ducks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 October 2016 09:45 (seven years ago) link
as long as my favourite poster LUMBAGO MUJO is still around i'm happy
― nxd, Friday, 14 October 2016 10:04 (seven years ago) link
― Fustian of this ilx (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2016 11:08 (seven years ago) link
if thomas pynchon doesn't win a grammy next year i will be soooo mad
― fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Friday, 14 October 2016 11:47 (seven years ago) link
lotion can collect it
― mark s, Friday, 14 October 2016 11:50 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH2ResrRr_A
― Fustian of this ilx (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2016 11:58 (seven years ago) link
If Shakespeare had been sung by Dylan I spose I'd hate it too so maybe, maybe
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Friday, 14 October 2016 12:05 (seven years ago) link
Girl From North Country is halfway there.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 October 2016 12:44 (seven years ago) link
so no American is going to win this for 20 years, so let's meet back here in 2036 to complain about Lin Manuel Miranda.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 14 October 2016 13:38 (seven years ago) link
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac)
otoh shakespeare sung by jerry lee lewis fucking rules
― fat fingered algorithm (rushomancy), Friday, 14 October 2016 14:25 (seven years ago) link
Could see that
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJIpp2Jj8AQ
― Digable Planet Waves (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
the more i read about this the more it's starting to annoy me, not least because it's caused a deluged of literary people writing about music, specifically about dylan, and they all have terrible music taste, boring hackneyed ideas, and are very happy to reduce music to being somehow the same as literature, or to amalgamate great art into some great man theory.
i just read in the irish times where somebody said, about dylan, "as a storyteller, he has no equal".
i like his music but this kind of cretinous overstatement is the exact reason the award should never have gone to dylan... we don't need to encourage those for whom massively canonical artists can never be feted enough.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
my experience is that I got to delete a bunch of FB friends complaining about Dylan being white and male and not publishing his songs as chapbooks.
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
Dylan's worldwide impact on several generations of not just songwriters, but literary artists of all types, dwarfs that most people who could have the prize yesterday. If you don't think the nobel is for canonical artists idk
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, because he was only relevant fifty years ago, he has impacted artists for a longer period of time. Yeah.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 October 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
don't think an award for literature is for songwriters. don't think music is poetry or literary. it belittles both music and literature to claim otherwise.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:46 (seven years ago) link
like if we can give it to dylan why not give it to moritz von oswald
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
i don't expect they'll be giving music awards to halldor laxness or elias canetti anytime soon either. this is little more than encroachment of a famous figure into a less celebrated medium, and encroachment of a more popular medium into the territory of a less popular one.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link
If you don't think the nobel is for canonical artists idk
and i do think it is, but if you look back at the literary figures who've won it, they're not necessarily famous celebrity writers.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 14 October 2016 15:52 (seven years ago) link
It's an honorary Nobel prize like giving idk Donald Sutherland a politics degree from trinity cos you liked his cameo in jfk
― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), Friday, 14 October 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link
this is all territorial pissing
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 14 October 2016 16:30 (seven years ago) link
I would award Donald Sutherland a Nobel for his cameo on JFK.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
"the more i read about this the more it's starting to annoy me, not least because it's caused a deluged of literary people writing about music, specifically about dylan, and they all have terrible music taste, boring hackneyed ideas, and are very happy to reduce music to being somehow the same as literature, or to amalgamate great art into some great man theory."
dude, yeah, avoid all hornby-esque writing about dylan. just pretend it doesn't exist. plus, novelists and poets are the most cringeworthy people on earth when they write about music. it's not their fault. they have other strengths.
― scott seward, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
That's is in general very true although I feel like I have come across a rare exception every once in a while.
― Digable Planet Waves (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
VOTE SWIFT IN '36
― legitimate concerns about ducks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
scott is otm, I find it much easier to think of novelists who have been absolutely horrible writing about music (Salman Rushdie and Don DeLillo spring to mind) than the opposite
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
How many lyrics has Dylan actually written? 36 albums, some instrumental songs, in periods he didn't write the lyrics himself. It's not even that big of an oeuvre. And how many of them are actually good and not 'Wiggle Wiggle'?
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
lol are you for real
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 October 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
do you want a word count or something
agree this prize should go to the writer with the biggest oeuvre
― Har-@-Iago (wins), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
― Frederik B, Friday, October 14, 2016
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Straitjacket-rear.jpg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 October 2016 17:28 (seven years ago) link
srsly Fredrik you sound like a Benghazi conspiracist.