fantasy novels.

also here is a notion to play with:

the quest narrative is of course a CLASSIC. and it seems to be a pretty big staple of the elf-trilogy style of fantasy. (or seems to have been when i was 18.) could you somehow try to define this kind of fantasy by what it does or fails to do with the quest narrative? in contrast to other genres? (e.g. in certain kinds of crime fiction or detective fiction where people have read out of the crime reconstruction or motive-questioning or clue-finding all sorts of assumptions about the nature of modern identity, or rational control by society, or whatever.)

So I have this class and I have to pick one fantasy novel to read for the week after next. There are tons of stuff I would love to read, but, as would be expected, most of it is ludicrously long, and usually part of a series too. So any ideas on what's a great, short fantasy novel to read? We're already reading A Wizard of Earthsea, so it can't be that.

David Lindsay's "A Voyage to Arcturus" or James Branch Cabell's "Jurgen", perhaps?

George R Martin's 'Fevre Dream' - 19th-century-set Mississipi steamboat action with vampire on board
James (?) Stephens - The Pot of Gold: Irish leprechaunery, early 20th century
William Hope Hodgson - House on the Borderland: mad stuff, also early 20th century, about a house that's a portal to another dimension/future apocalyptic earth full of monsters
Jurgen is great. Arcturus is bonkers (not that that's a bad thing).

cosign on The Pot of Gold, it's misogynistic Irish genius

you could also read China Mieville's Un Lun Dun, kids novel from 2007 that is fast and fascinating

the appeal of fantasy to the 10-14 age group is that most other writing for the 10-14 age group is piffle

well, that was how i felt at the time.

fantasy novels are a lot of fun, if done right.

you don't really pick that up from reading this thread, kids!

the best fantasy i've read lately is still the prince of nothing trilogy, but i'm trying to get into george r r martin too, when i get the time.

I just read 'Replay' by Ken Grimwood - man dies at age 43, wakes up as himself at age 18, tries to live his life right this time, dies age 43, wakes up at 18, realises he's lost all the good he achieved last time, starts losing it, dies at age 43, wakes up at 18...

So it's fantasy, but not of the dragons/swords/chainmail bikinis type.

Very good stuff.

So I finished the new Patrick Rothfuss –– anyone else?

there was a fair bit of discussion on the ile fantasy thread - I love the fantasy genre, lots, and I want it to stop sucking (OR: recommend me fantasy stuff that does not suck)

is there a good thread in this generation of fantasy, or a poll even? pre erikson/martin hegemony but post seventies american dri-fi, that high fantasy landfill indie era that jordan probably straddles quite neatly

@ned thisll do i reckon seems to be plenty of discussion of the big 80/90's hitters and their forebears upthread

god it all runs together in my head now, there was one bookshop two hours bus ride away so getting a new book in 1995/6 meant planning a saturday around it and just turning up and seeing what was there so theres some real beggars cant be choosers memories of slogging through stuff that i dont think id manage a chapter of today, before jordan swept all before him (for me, anyway)

after eddings and gemmell grabbed my completionist attn i went through a few runs of half finishing feist, shannara, a few l.e. modessitt jrs, terry goodkind, tad williams (memory sorry and thorn not otherland)

after i actually moved into town and joined the library id have to take a punt at the meagre fantasy section there, often this involved starting in book two or having to skip book seven, unideal stuff

library did provide first robin hobb book tbf so not all bad

if the topic is post eddings high fantasy boom, up to Jordan/martin/Erikson superboom, is that well enough understood and defined to pick through what might be worth choosing and attempting as a comfort read exercise?

mickey zucker reichert's renshai books had a killer premise and seemed appealingly less cartoonish than a lot of the rest at the time, i wonder how theyd read now

My interest was at its peak around age 12-13 and I'm not sure I'd trust that person for book recommendations. Some things I half-remember as not quite the same as the others:

- The Empire Trilogy: spin-off from Magician but much more interesting iirc...fantasy-Japan setting...lots of plots and politics...plus alien insect civilisation?
- Duncton Wood: super dark super long books about moles going on quests and having religious schisms
- Death Gate Cycle: from the makers of Dragonlance...a bunch of different worlds connected through some plot device...it had airships?

Empire Trilogy was excellent I thought, even if the second book is basically Fantasy Shogun. Feel like it was really more Wurts than Feist.

The Duncton books too, though I remember finding them traumatically sad

moles! i might have to remember those...

So I have this class and I have to pick one fantasy novel to read for the week after next. There are tons of stuff I would love to read, but, as would be expected, most of it is ludicrously long, and usually part of a series too. So any ideas on what's a great, short fantasy novel to read? We're already reading A Wizard of Earthsea, so it can't be that.

― askance johnson, Friday, January 18, 2008 9:49 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nine Princes in Amber

re the meta-ness of fantasy how that can matter:

To better explain what he meant by the story being about death, Tolkien reached into his jacket pocket and pulled out his wallet, which contained a newspaper clipping. He then read aloud from that article, which quoted from Simone de Beauvoir's A Very Easy Death, her moving 1964 account of her mother's desire to cling to life during her dying days.

"There is no such thing as a natural death," he read. "Nothing that happens to a man is ever natural, since his presence calls the world into question. All men must die: but for every man his death is an accident and, even if he knows it and consents to it, an unjustifiable violation."
"Well, you may agree with the words or not," he said. "But those are the key-spring of The Lord of the Rings."

...While Tolkien's wartime experiences may have added depth and authenticity to the mythological world he created, the author himself always maintained that he did not write The Lord of the Rings as an allegory for WW1, or indeed any other specific event from history.

"People do not fully understand the difference between an allegory and an application," he told the BBC in 1968.
"You can go to a Shakespeare play and you can apply it to things in your mind, if you like, but they are not allegories... I mean many people apply the Ring to the nuclear bomb and think that was in my mind, and the whole thing is an allegory of it. Well, it isn't."

got into fantasy backwards because i thought the hobbit was corny and therefore never read LOTR until after i'd read several things that shamelessly ripped it off

utterly shameless LOTR ripoffs: shanarra (brooks), the iron tower (mckiernan)

let's get celtic: deryni (kurtz), prydain* (alexander), the dark is rising *(cooper), merlin* (stewart)

oh no: i thought the first three apprentice adept (anthony) books were fine

technically science fiction: pern (mccaffrey), pliocene exile* (may), new sun/long sun* (wolfe)

madeleine l'engle: meant a lot to me but never went past 'a ring of endless light'

fritz leiber: literally only ever heard of this because fafhrd and grey mouser were in a D&D book. also leiber is for some reason pronounced 'lie-ber'

moorcock: don't understand why people stan him, what a letdown

leguin (earthsea): obvs

mckillip (riddlemaster*): rules; haven't read much of her others tho

donaldson (thomas covenant): i will ride for the first two series*; the third is garbage

eddings: belgariad (good), mallorean (awful), cannot speak to the rest

king (the dark tower): v. enjoyable if you can get past the racism

foster (spellsinger): music nerds need fantasy too

pratchett (discworld): fine, whatever

cook (the black company): military porn

kay (fionavar*): great; other standalones probably are as well

card (alvin maker): only read the first two; recall liking them

wells (raksura*): good stuff from the 2010s; see also murderbot, etc.

dunno: kirstein (the steerswoman), park (stonebridge), crowley (aegypt), kerr (devery)

(* means recommended)

started malazon once but it seemed like military porn? not interested in having to know the numbers assigned to army units

it is, and worse besides, you realise about eight books in its just a long form narrative about a card game they made up in college