this year i am going to read the entire works of philip k dick

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Maybe we should have an all-VALIS thread?

remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Tom - we're almost halfway through the year... how is the project going?

I'm currently in the middle of In Milton Lumky Territory, one of his "mainstream" novels. For some reason I seem to get slightly impatient with his non-SF work (I've read a couple of others). It's okay though - the twist of a guy moving back to his old home town and marrying one of his grade school teachers is interesting.

Has anybody heard anything about new editions that would bring back to print some of his other mainstrean novels, like Humpty Dumpty in Oakland, The Broken Bubble or The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike (which I'm assuming was mainstream novel, but I'm not sure)?

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i got sidetracked by the donald barthelme syllabus and crit on joyce and uh having a job, is what happened

i'll get back to it, sigh.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:59 (seventeen years ago) link

job, pff, would that stop a pkd character?

Josh (Josh), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Givf list please; read vs not-yet-read

Zora (Zora), Friday, 16 June 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
This weekend I read The Crack in Space. Despite some good central ideas (they find a small hole to an alternative earth where Peking Man became the dominate species), this is really one of Dick's weaker efforts. From chapter to chapter weird pieces of the plot don't match up, or are repeated clunkily, slightly differently - as if Dick didn't recall what he had actually arleady written and wouldn't slow down enough to flip back and double check. The conclusion feels particularly rushed and hacked out, like "time to get this piece of crap over with and to the publisher - need my check."

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

which is the good version of lies inc / unteleported man?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Good luck with "The World Jones Made." It really turned me off of early PKD.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 11 September 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Lies Inc is the "updated" re-write (or whatever) of The Unteleported Man - I don't think either is supposed to be really good. I've read Lies Inc and I can't remember a damn thing about it!

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think Spacecrack was as bad as all that, but my expectations were low and I'm apparently pretty forgiving when it comes to PKD. I agree that it seems kind of tossed off, but for what it is (60's straight sci-fi shot through with Dickian (heh) themes), it's enjoyable.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"spacecrack" sounds like the notion behind a really bad novel by some kind of stephen donaldson - piers anthony hybrid.

i have ordered both lies inc and the unteleported man, as i think reading both might be an interesting experience. thx jeff.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus you are going to read all of them within the next few months.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

look i've been busy okay? i've been busy

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:01 (seventeen years ago) link

More like you've been spending too much time with the wrong Dick.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

This weekend I was in a bookstore in Toronto and they had a bunch of Dick books and I nearly bought one because I've never read one and I tried to remember which one I was supposed to get and I thought of this thread and how Tom has not yet read the entire works of PKD and I got sad and didn't buy anything.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

The really substandard, not-really-worth-reading Dick books are, as I recall :

The Man Who Japed (1956)
Dr. Futurity (1960)
Vulcan's Hammer (1960)
The Crack in Space (1966)

Are the short stories still available in 5 volumes? You could probably cut that down to maybe 2 volumes of the really good ones, I'd recommend individual stories but I can't remember which one's which at the momemnt (and I have to go to bed). Maybe tomorrow!

How many film adaptations of Dick are there now? I've seen :

Blade Runner
Total Recall
A Scanner Darkly
Minority Report
Screamers

John Woo made a film version of Paycheck (according to IMDB)?? 3 years ago??? I have no memory of this. There also seem to have been adaptations of Impostor and Confessions Of A Crap artist, and there's some suckass looking version of The Golden Man out soon (called Next) starring Nicolas Cage, great.

Go Tom!

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you mean the film Paycheck with Uma T and Ben Affleck? It was okay.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I enjoyed Dr. Futurity.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
well?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 5 January 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

confining myself to the SF novels published in his lifetime i have yet to read the following:

The Game Players of Titan (1963)
The Penultimate Truth (1964)
The Crack in Space (1966)
The Ganymede Takeover (1967) with Ray Nelson
The Zap Gun (1967)
Our Friends from Frolix 8 (1970)
Deus Irae (1976) with Roger Zelazny
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982)

i will probably be done by feb or so; i was thinking of doing the platonic dialogues this year, tho.

tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i) the uh "mind-expanding" stuff i might once have found in dick - leave that alone - has largely evaporated, i think: there's very few or no points, now, where i find myself suddenly wowed, disorientated, or have my perceptions realigned in any way i can't fit into my usual vocabulary of how (speculative) fiction works.

ii) he gets funnier the more you read, i guess. (but i like jokes more when they get repeated or extended, usually.)

iii) i find myself noting the recurring deployment both of standard SF tropes and dick's own more idiosyncratic ones in a way which is kind of new to me, although i am certain not new to people who e.g. read or write book-length studies of henry james. but i like (a lot) finding myself wondering what e.g. the non-realist colonisable and astrologically dated concept of mars is going to mean or represent or do in this particular fiction. (and his other repeated figures: schizophrenic viewpoints, dark-haired women, simulacra, religion...)

tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

The Game Players of Titan is ok, haven't read any of the others you just listed.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 5 January 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The Penultimate Truth is beautifully paranoid.

Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Adam Gopnik on the new Library of America edition of Dick. Most telling sentence:

At the end of a Dick marathon, you end up admiring every one of his conceits and not a single one of his sentences.

o. nate, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link

hah

that's not entirely true, i think. the first person voices in VALIS and 'timothy archer' are uneven but nuanced, compelling, i guess.

also some of his conceits are lame, duh

thomp, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link

gosh, i was trying pretty hard earlier on this thread.

thomp, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link

The newly published non-SF one sounds interesting - 'Voices from the Street', I think. I've only read one other of his non-SF books, 'Confessions of a Crap Artist', but I really liked it. 'Ubik' is still my favourite PKD so far, though.

James Morrison, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 01:45 (sixteen years ago) link

That Gopnik also found Man in the High Castle to be somewhat unrepresentative and a bit too restrained does give me hope to read something else by Dick, since I was also a bit disappointed by it.

o. nate, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I always liked Flow My Tears The Policeman Said but it rarely gets mentioned. The televison personality/identity crisis angle is possibly relevant in our celebrity obsessed reality TV age. Or not.

m coleman, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link

my faves, beyond valis, are:

three stigmata
ubik
martian time slip

can we speculate about all the chicks named 'pat' or 'patty' or 'peg'?

remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:56 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i liked 'eye in the sky' and 'dr. bloodmoney' for sheer weirdness

remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

simulacra, crack, alphane, and lies, inc. all suxor. well, maybe the last one does -- i have no idea what it's about

remy bean, Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I was right with you, Remy, till Alphane. Who couldn't love Lord Running Clam, the psychic slime mold?

I am avoiding the Gopnik piece.

eater, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

i am so with you on Lord Running Clam

thomp, Sunday, 26 August 2007 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

http://lareviewofbooks.org/post/18187221884/the-exegete

hey tom have you read 'the exegesis'?

j., Friday, 24 February 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

This description and evaluation seems plausibly off-putting (ditto having Lethem involved; he's gotten less reliable)
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/books/review/the-exegesis-of-philip-k-dick-edited-by-pamela-jackson-jonathan-lethem-and-erik-davis-book-review.html?pagewanted=all

dow, Sunday, 26 February 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

I can't really get into VALIS

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 26 February 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

there's ... some other dudes providing annotations for the exegesis, too; that LARB thing goes into a bit more detail: "Jackson, who in the late 1990s wrote a dissertation on the Exegesis at UC Berkeley, did yeoman work puzzling through a jumbled mass of file folders to impose a clear chronological sequence on the material; and associate editor Davis, author of Techgnosis: Myth, Magic, and Mysticism in the Age of Information, assembled a diverse array of talents — including novelist Steve Erickson, critic N. Katherine Hayles, and blogger David Gill, whose website “Total Dick-head” is the best online compendium of Dickiana — to generate the shrewd, erudite, sometimes quite witty annotations. Lethem probably deserves the most credit (or blame) for persuading Houghton Mifflin to publish it in the first place

aand no i haven't read it. the descriptions make it sound like it belongs in a casebook and not something to be published for people to, you know, "enjoy" --

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 27 February 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

also i'm aware there's like two of his sf novels i haven't read but i can't remember which ones anymore

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 27 February 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't ask if you had enjoyed it!

j., Monday, 27 February 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link

I enjoyed it, thought it morphed into balancing act of the rational and crackpot, via novelist's professionalism, gift, grit, aelf-observation, and obsession. Meanwhile, I just ordered The Broken Bubble, stii OOP but good price on UK pb. Ordered Humpty Dumpty In Oakland last week, will order In Milton Lumpky Territory...soon (trying to pace my own obsessions). Gather Yourselves Together will be reissued July 12 or 17, according to my handwriting (I'd look it up, but don't want to go screenshopping again tonight). In July, I will have all of PKD's non-sf novels. Mary And The Giant and The Broken Bubble are the ones I've read so far (TBB from library). Apprentice fiction? Maybe, but already satisfies as only PKD's combination of strengths and limitations can. Of course, like Hendrix, Coltrane, Dylan, Hank Williams,Jane Austin and the Brontes, works will keep materializing eternally. How about those high school notebooks,dammit? You know they're out there.

dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link

ha, i don't know if i mentioned it but in my conception of 'all of pkd's work' i was for some reason implicitly rejecting the non-SF stuff

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 5 March 2012 12:58 (twelve years ago) link

Don't do that, VALIS and Ubik will get you. Seems like it's unusual, at least, to have so much of the non-SF in print/readily available at the same time? A fateful convergence.

dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

Fateful because I may read all that when I should be doing something else? Noooooo

dow, Monday, 5 March 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

confining myself to the SF novels published in his lifetime i have yet to read the following:
The Game Players of Titan (1963)
The Penultimate Truth (1964)
The Crack in Space (1966)
The Ganymede Takeover (1967) with Ray Nelson
The Zap Gun (1967)
Our Friends from Frolix 8 (1970)
Deus Irae (1976) with Roger Zelazny
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (1982)

i will probably be done by feb or so

― tom west (thomp), Friday, 5 January 2007 01:38 (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i only read like two of these

maaaaan

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

still trying to get through VALIS

best part is, there are two more after it :/

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

i loved 'radio free albemuth' when i was a teenager so i was a little confused as to how 'valis' could be the same material but not as good to me. but i don't remember much about 'valis', i guess it didn't stick at all.

j., Tuesday, 6 March 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

j did you know there was a movie of albemuth starring alanis morrissette? how did i not know this?

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so i reread 'palmer eldritch' after finding a 70s penguin copy lying around: this is one of the few versions of this cover design that actually works, oddly.

http://www.penguinsciencefiction.org/images/3399_PHILIP_K_DICK_The_Three_Stigmata_of_Palmer_Eldritch_1973.jpg

this i last read ... ages ago. and i remember not particularly liking or 'getting' it at the time. anyway this is the first one i've read in a while i think; i'd forgotten how all of his novels include either someone trapped in a confining marrage or menaced by a younger, sexually intimidating woman. (or both at once.)

as a novel it's predictably a mess. (richard hnatt's viewpoint vanishes after 50 pages to make space for the novel to be structured around the big hallucinatory setpieces.) i'm curious how much of that is due to incorporating the short story i never read - 'the days of perky pat' - which is where the martian colonists come from, the ones taking a drug which allows imaginative projection into a barbie-doll facsimile of affluent life. (which is, like, the grimmest fable about reification imaginable, and totally fails to work as narrative otherwise.) i don't know if the alignment of this with catholic sacrament exists in the short story or if it's part of the novel. and then there's, um, gnosticism, and stuff. and the garden of eden and candide. and a rather telegraphed explanation in conventional SF terms.

there's so many philip k dick protagonists who are, like, working in management for manufacturing concerns. like he gets assimilated to 'postmodernism' in some fairly tedious ways but i hadn't thought before about how much there is about commodities and being alienated from one's labour in there. (but this stuff directly related to the trippiness and the god stuff and the schizophrenia stuff.) (it'd be amazing if none of the critical efforts on him were any good; by now it seems someone must have managed it; it seems so easy, man. it's all there.)

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

starring alanis morisette as... who? i forget a lot about that book.

j., Sunday, 11 March 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

I'd like to see that, she played God in Dogma, so why not. I should get back into PKD's short stories (read "Autofac," think that's the title: about revolt of the human over/underlords, being smothered by super-reliable autoservants, totally fucking tight and good, speculative poetic justice), So many writers can be better when not always pressured into autoserving novels, novels, novels, however expectedly unexpected the results.

dow, Sunday, 11 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link


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