Summer 2020: What Are You Reading as the Sun Bakes the Arctic Ocean?

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Other Zink books are such a disappointment after Wallcreeper, sadly.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 12 September 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link

Ciaran Carson - The Star Factory

Poet's prose. Full of words (you feel their materiality), a pile of digressions, reflections and experience. I'll check but I think Mandelstam does something similar in Journey to Armenia, except Belfast is where Carson has grown-up and lived. I think quotes about Belfast from other sources Carson picks up do at times detract a bit, just cutting him off when he is at his (and our) best. But that's a minor complaint in a great, great find.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 12 September 2020 10:51 (three years ago) link

just started Too Much & Never Enough the Mary Trump book and am a couple of chapters in.
Hadn't realised she was a clinical psychologist, just knew she was a niece.
She's going over the childhood influences on why he may be behaving the way he does.
NOt very long so will finish this before long i hope.
Seemed to be one of the books on the subject that might be better tahn others and add some insight.
I have soem o the others elsewhere that never moved down the to be read list

Stevolende, Saturday, 12 September 2020 13:10 (three years ago) link

Robert Draper - To Start a War: How the Bush Administration Took America Into Iraq
Muriel Spark - Reality and Dreams
Robert Browning - The Ring and the Book

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 12 September 2020 13:14 (three years ago) link

Norma Cole- Spinoza in Her Youth

Cole never fails to astound.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 September 2020 13:24 (three years ago) link

xxxp just reminded me I have his translation of The Táin on my bookshelf, I must read it. He was a Gaeilgeoir as well I think, fairly uncommon in the North.

scampo italiano (gyac), Saturday, 12 September 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link

Nice, want to read his version of Inferno next.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 September 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link

Someone - was it o.nate? - praised Jean Stafford's THE MOUNTAIN LION on here.

Last night I read this LRB review of Stafford:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n12/tessa-hadley/and-he-drowned-the-cat

the pinefox, Sunday, 13 September 2020 09:23 (three years ago) link

Wole Soyinka Death and The King's Horseman.
Interesting play set in colonial Nigeria.
Shows a lot of racism and arrogant assumptions made by white colonial authorities. Reading it for a theatre group which should be interesting.

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link

The Mountain Lion is terrific. The Catherine Wheel was the first novel I read under quarantine.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 September 2020 12:57 (three years ago) link

wondering where to ask about the book 1491 by Charles C Mann.
Are there major differences between editions, different years and different territories or anything.
Or is teh 2006 UK on going to be as good as the more recent US Update? & if so are they significant?

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 September 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

Robert Musil - Posthumous Papers of a Living Author
Stanislaw Lem - Highcastle A Remembrance

Lem's novella sized essay on his growing up in pre-war Poland among French novels and made up schemes was fine enough, in some ways his struggle with Proust points to why this doesn't endure. Not that Lem wanted this series of recollections to be anything more.

The Musil is again, a minor collections of sketches and fragments that, when framed in his best writing, take on another dimension entirely. Its interesting how fascinating and annoyed he was by psychoanalysis, but he needs length to explore.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 September 2020 22:17 (three years ago) link

I am reading some R.K. Narayan, The Bachelor of Arts. His tales are always both human and gentle, which qualities are good for my mental state atm.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 14 September 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link

xxxp don't remember The Catherine Wheel very well, but seems to be regarded as a letdown after Boston Adventure and The Mountain Lion, both of which i thought were outstanding. Ditto what I've read of Collected Stories, gotta get back to that.

Next April, Library of America will follow their Collected Novels with a volume of collected and uncollected stories, essays, and the somewhat notorious A Mother In History, from time spent w Marguerite Oswald. Stafford is in my literary punk pantheon, along with Flannery O'Connor and Kelly Link.

dow, Tuesday, 15 September 2020 01:08 (three years ago) link

Someone - was it o.nate? - praised Jean Stafford's THE MOUNTAIN LION on here.

It wasn't me - this is the first I've heard of it, but it does sound like an interesting book. I just finished Song of the Lark by Willa Cather. It's a more interesting tale of the development of an ambitious young artist than Dr Faustus, which I abandoned earlier this year. It's a big canvas novel, in terms of settings, character development, and the range of time it covers, although the cast of characters remains fairly small and focused around the main character of Thea Kronborg. I guess it's on the cusp of the 19th and 20th century novel (it was published in 1915). The scenes of small--town, frontier Colorado are particularly memorable, and the development of the main character through childhood, adolescence and maturity is psychologically perceptive. I found it quite enjoyable. Now I'm reading a collection of 2 novellas by Natalia Ginzburg Valentino and Sagittarius.

o. nate, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link

he scenes of small--town, frontier Colorado are particularly memorable, and the development of the main character through childhood, adolescence and maturity is psychologically perceptive. The central character of The Mountain Lion, some shorter works, and Stafford herself came out of that setting, maybe more and certainly to an extent differently influenced by the remoteness and the terrain and the times than some other characters.

Cather's The Professor's House, which I went on about upthread, unless it was
the previous WAYR, is---not just like The Song of the Lark, but compatible.

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link

"Stafford is in my literary punk pantheon, along with Flannery O'Connor and Kelly Link."

I find that interesting, Dow! Have read about Link, but not actually read the work.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link

I can't praise Cather enough.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link

She's amazing. Come to think of it, now I'm wondering if The Heart is a Lonely Hunter came in part from absorbing My Antonia and O Pioneers!---recurring characters through the years, in and out of the foreground, but w a sense of axis pov, of protagonist and/or author---and later Cather, like The Professor's House, following a more interior somewhat vs. exterior line of development---could apply also from going to The Heart... to Member of the Wedding and some of McCuller's shorter fiction.

xpost Pinefox, maybe start with Link's latest collection, Get In Trouble.
Others in the pantheon: Highsmith, Tiptree, maybe Jane Bowles, Plath---oh, and what I know of Anna Akhmatova, in the translations of Babette Deutsch and Lyn Coffin, set to music by Iris DeMent, on The Trackless Woods. But mainly punks on the page. that's about it. Standards are very strict.

dow, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link

Haven't read enough Cather. I teach "Paul's Case" quite often, and many students hate it, to my utmost horror. I think it's brilliant!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link

At the moment toggling between poetry and philosophy, a practice I had earlier in the pandemic but gave up as the heat got to my brain. Diving back in:

Carlos Lara- Like Bismuth When I Enter= a protege of LA-based Surrealist Black experimentalist Will Alexander, Lara's work is clearly in the mold of Alexander's, but parts from Alexander's in interesting ways, most notably in the length and momentum of Lara's line— long, propulsive, and dense, rather than more ponderous and porphyric, as Alexander's tend to be. At first I was unable to detect as much "political" content in the work, but as I move forward, more themes seem to emerge, and I'm finding myself excited by it in ways that I wasn't when I first began.

Jean-Luc Nancy- Being Singular Plural= I love what little I've read of Nancy, and this is no exception. Only about 20 pages in, but totally invested in his thought.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link

Replace Hemingway with Cather on the middle school canon imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link

I love what little I've read of Nancy, and this is no exception.

Make sure you read Expectation, which collects many of his most important writings on literature over several decades. The Literary Absolute (with the late Philippe Lacoue-Labarthe) is also a classic, if you care about Early German Romanticism.

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:26 (three years ago) link

I praised The Mountain Lion! It was good and sad and challenging. I would never want to meet the author.

rb (soda), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:04 (three years ago) link

I put a hold on it at my library. I want to see what all the fuss is about.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link

i finished the unconsoled. it was exactly like having someone describe a dream to me, which is not a good thing imo.

golden gates - somewhat gossipy journalistic book about the rise of yimbyism the housing crisis, and local politics in the bay area. good writing and analysis as far as it goes, but the focus (and sympathies) are clearly on the yimby side of a ~five-sided debate.

now reading riddley walker (slow going because i'm reading it and my brain is mush, but it seems great) and listening to the right stuff (obviously interesting subject matter, but oy vey tom wolfe prose).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:57 (three years ago) link

James Acaster, Perfect Sound Whatever

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link

caek, you might like the screen version, minus Wolfe prose, but, like the book at its best, w Wild Blue Yonder sardonic plot shading, esp. later on---won't spoil.
Alfred, which Hemingway would you suggest for middle school? We had to read The Old Man and The Sea, among shorties by various authors, but did seem tedious at times. My copy was inscribed by a previous reader: "I hate the old man. Get him, sea!"

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

I read The Sun Also Rises in eighth grade, missing nuance, of course, but it was intelligible. The short stories too.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I got to the short stories in ninth grade: I had a sense of missing something, but 'ppreciated that he wasn't taking pains to explain each and every thing, like most of my teachers and other grown-ups. The stories were intriguing, evocative--- despite early-teen concerns, don't remember picking up on the anxieties behind detailed descriptions, ditto even/especially some of the good times in the Great Outdoors---but I hadn't gotten to the war stories yet, the way they kept turning up in the midst of a big collection, when I came back to him much later.
In several ways, he seems to have been his own worst enemy--incl.proud displays of shittiness re his American friends in A Movable Feast---but the stories are still worth reading (never have tried the novels).

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

Raymond Chandler - Playback
Jacques Ellul - The Technological Society

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link

Loved him for a bit in 8th-9th grade...now, not so much. For Whom The Bell Tolls is his best novel, imho, and 'Hills' his best story by a mile.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link

cather is the freaking best, even her lesser novels are singular experiences. i read o pioneers! last year-ish and it quickly became my favorite; also love death comes for the archbishop especially the hallucinatory shimmer that her descriptions of the desert give off

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link

wow i also read the sun also rises in eighth grade alfred

i reread it in college and don't think i'll get much more out of it or hemingway himself. he was great with dialogue. there is a sadness always aching in the space he left in his sentences. idk maybe i should give for whom the bell tolls a shot one day

not to steer the conversation toward fitzgerald, also they were fundamentally very different writers, but i go back to fitzgerald way more bc i have a very different experience with his work every time i revisit it, there's a denseness and a richness of perspective always at play, especially in tender is the night (but even in the novels i think sorta suck like beautiful and damned)

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link

I've always had a fairly blank reaction to Hemingway. In a way, my favourite of his, despite it being fairly demented, is A Moveable Feast. Fitzgerald is more nourishing.

I only read my first Cather this year (O Pioneers!) and it continues to bloom in my imagination. It shares much of the Hemingway ethic of 'what should I leave out?' but her work bleeds in a way Hemingway could only claw at. O Pioneers! feels like an epic; it's astonishing that it's only 100-odd pages.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

not to steer the conversation toward fitzgerald, also they were fundamentally very different writers, but i go back to fitzgerald way more bc i have a very different experience with his work every time i revisit it, there's a denseness and a richness of perspective always at play, especially in tender is the night (but even in the novels i think sorta suck like beautiful and damned)

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson)

otm -- Fitzgerald's stories are lodestars for me. Like Hemingway, he's a storywriter in essence marooned as a novelist; their work often collapses into gleaming fragments, though The Great Gatsby is a perfect novel for those who care about such things -- the culmination of the Conrad method.

I wish more anthologies included stories besides goddamn "Winter Dreams" (e.g. "The Bridal Party," "One Trip Abroad").

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link

How do people feel about The Crack Up or even “The Crack Up”?

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

Sorry, The Crack-Up or “The Crack-Up”

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link

A Movable Feast is painterly and entertaining, though many of the hooks are shithooks. Did like the description of Wyndham Lewis as having "the eyes of a disappointed rapist," though might like it less if I were more familiar with Lewis.

there's a denseness and a richness of perspective always at play,
That's in my reading or Fitzgerald too, and you can get to it in unexpected ways, like in The Last Tycoon there's a ride down the Southern California Coast, with glimpses of the ecological problems to come, aggravated by construction---the kind of thing that he and his characters wouldn't live to see, not nearly the big time. Come to think of it, this may also tie in some way with Stahr's unfinished dream house.

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link

My sister wrote a grad paper on The Crack Up of Crack-Up, with acerbically self-observant quotes, but I haven't read the whole thing. The Pat Conroy stories are otm, wryly and maybe ryely based on later Fitz, incl. Did you hear about Pat dropping dead in the studio cafeteria, oops.

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link

Crack Up *or* Crack-Up

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link

There's more self-pity in The Crack-Up than I want to read, and he's not rigorous a thinker enough to sustain the concept.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link

I'm so excited to still have a stack of unread Cather to go through after reading a few earlier this year. Death Comes for the Archbishop is probably next up.

Right now I'm reading my first P.G. Wodehouse (The Inimitable Jeeves), it's pretty good. I can see myself blowing through a bunch of these pretty quickly.

cwkiii, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link

There's more self-pity in The Crack-Up than I want to read, and he's not rigorous a thinker enough to sustain the concept.

It’s up to you not to read The Crack-Up.

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link

Uh, Pat *Hobby*, that is: perfect name, and apologies to the talented Mr. Conroy, also RIP.

dow, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link

i always enjoy a good story of someone fucking up in Hollywood screenwriting, and the Pat Hobby stories are brilliant.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 19 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link

I did read a load of Fitzgerald stories in the past so for once I've not been left behind here.

I don't think THE SUN ALSO RISES is very good at all.

I like the way we have a swell of intrigue about THE MOUNTAIN LION !

the pinefox, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:17 (three years ago) link

How's Riddley Walker going, caek?

Lily Dale, Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:03 (three years ago) link

My wife just read I'm Still Here, Austin Channing Brown, which she borrowed from a friend. Now I'm reading it.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

I've started reading: B.S. Johnson, CAN I COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THESE AND OTHER IDEAS?

It's a slim collection of facsimiles of his proposals that weren't used by the BBC and publishers.

If you like BSJ, you might enjoy it.

It includes, in mildly Half Pint Press fashion, a postcard which is also a fascimile of something that BSJ wrote.

http://texteundtone.com/

the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link


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