Everyone on ILX to be sued deletion request

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This one is going to get ugly fast. Everyone on ILX to be sued

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

WHAT?!?! geeze.

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean talk about a fuckin preemptive strike!

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I think this is piling on and I'm going to lock the thread. Start another thread or get another mod to unlock it if you feel like it's that important to point and laugh at someone who seems to be having some big problems right now.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link

but you assume everyone knows that this person is having "big problems" right now. i had no idea. thats why i asked. its stupid to pretend those posts arnt there.

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

an oldskool poster threatening to shut down ilx with a lawsuit is serious shit!

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

TBH yes, I had no idea, until yesterday, that it would appear a certain ILXor I assumed was a regular normal poster (that I havent ever spoken to) was what appears to be very very unwell. I dont know if we need to see carcrash perving about such stuff :/

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

WHY IS EVERYONE BEING SO NICE

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

im jk btw after reading some more i realize that this is some sad shit.

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Are we going to keep locking every new thread that this spam appears on?

kurt broder (dr g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

can you just ban her for her own sake!?!?

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Check the "can the modern american left genuinely claim to be anti-racist?" thread, she posted personal info that she might not really want posted, were she doing better.

If anyone thinks they might be able to contact her family or something, that's probably a good idea.

it was a different shark (wetmink2), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Guys it isnt spam - have a look at the LJ link she posted. It looks lke K has been significantly unwell for MANY MANY MONTHS. She is very delusional and this isnt funny really :(

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Also Jon OTM :/

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:23 (eighteen years ago) link

She is spamming those threads by reposting variations of the same message that have little to nothing to do with the thread topics.

kurt broder (dr g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually before anything gets done about this I think there needs to be some discussion -- preferably off-board -- with someone who knows anything at all about dealing with people in these kinds of states. Banning her may do more harm than good. Having a laugh about it has almost certainly done more harm than good. I don't know anything about dealing with people suffering from paranoia and delusions, and I'm not sure there's anything ILX can really do to help, but I'm certain there's some approach that at least doesn't exacerbate the problem.

I'm taking this kind of seriously because I've met and liked this person, not to mention just having heard today about another acquaintance with some problems killing himself.

First suggestion: we need some way of letting everyone know that this is not strange trolling or some amusing oddity, and that it's not to be joked about or engaged aggressively or anything of the sort. I seem to remember someone doing some coding, once upon a time, that allowed the server to throw a little note up at the top of the board, visible to everyone except a particular log-in: am I making this up? Because it would be good if everyone knew this was a regular poster, and that she's not to be messed with.

Second: like I said, we need someone who's dealt with this sort of thing and has some thoughts on the most helpful way to react.

(If this is being seriously discussed somewhere else, someone feel free to carry these suggestions over.)

doesn't matter, Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link

There is nothing that can be done to convince a paranoid delusional person if they think "we" are all "out to get" her. I dont even know who she is addressing in her posts here, or on LJ - its all "you" and "they" with no names. She has conflated a car accident, a punctured bike tyre and being stuck in a lift at work (among other normal life events) with some SPIES being AFTER HER.

Yeah I read a large chunk of that LJ today. It just made me feel ill with fear at the depth of the illness displayed so happily in public.

Fucking internet.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, is there anybody out there who can get in touch with her folks?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Everyone on ILX to be used

kurt broder (dr g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I have no hope whatsoever that we're going to magically convince her that she needs help. But I think there are probably ways of handling this that minimize damage and ways of handling it that probably just make shit worse. And since this is pretty serious, I think we should do out best to figure out what ways of reacting are going to minimize the damage, you know? At the very least we need to do what we can to make sure people aren't doing anything that amounts to basically winding her up (though hopefully people have now caught on to what's happening enough not to do that).

doesn't matter, Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Chicago people need to start planning their events via email for a while.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link


Trayce, you calling me a liar, you attention whoring cunt? Oh yeah, you can do your 'sexy goth' routine and get lots of attention...but god forbid a woman on this board actually have an opinion.

You have no basis for that, and that's libel.

You go back and CHECK my stories out and then trot out your libel again.

Oh yeah - safe to do that back in Australia, isn't it?

You need a witch in this witch trial. Your role-playing game ain't complete without one.

So here I am - you trot out all your libels and slanders and labels-without-substantiation.

'Cos that's my fucking job.

And you have the right to remain silent.

Read the fucking police report bitch, call the CPD, and get back to me and tell me you still think I'm lying.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, will you please call your doctor or your family? They might want to know about all of this, so they can help you out.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link


Uh...they're not playing that game.

You're welcome to call R. Craig McKenna in Chicago and speak about it.

oooo, yeah...you keep running and playing into the game.

You don't know what to post anymore, do you?

'Cos I've proven to you that I'm willing to do anything.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link


And they already fucking know about it, you lying bitch.

Stop making factual errors regarding my family.

It's really in your best interests to quit posting crap that betrays you know nothing.

Oh, that's 'the game', right - all women have to fight with each other.

Ain't it right, Mitzi?

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, you're not making sense to us. You should talk to someone you know and trust, in person, about all this stuff. We can't help you as we don't know all the fact. FWIW, I hate $cient0logy too -- they tried to ruin my bosses life during a divorce with his wife. Fortunately, he got custody of the kids thanks to one of their lawyers threatening him in front of witnesses. His lawyer threatened to get them disbarred so they rolled over and settled.

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Dr. McKenna your doctor?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we need to leave this alone, none of us know Kerry or can assist, we're probably making things worse.

kerry, I dont know you, I cant help. I have nothing against you, I dont think you are a bad person or are lying. I think we should leave it be, and I think you should talk to someone you trust about your situation. This is just an internet forum where no one knows you and we can't understand.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Plus people who don't have Kerry's best interests at heart can read this shit.

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

well is it a horrible idea to contact Dr. McKenna.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Ally, I e-mailed you.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link


Oh you go right ahead and contact him.

What other personal information can I disclose so that you can use it and I can hang you?

Demonstrate some logic, people.

What do you think my motivation here is?

Let's see your thesis.

Oh yeah, and when all else fails, claim you hate Scientology.

That's been used on alt.religion.scientology, too.

Answer me: why exactly do you think I'm doing this?

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

....and I AM talking to people I trust about this situation.

And I'm doing it....here.

'Cos unlike you, I still have some faith in humanity, and faith in my friends, and you can't spank that out of me.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link


Oh yeah, my favorite one was when you forged the Finnish guy....in Americanese!

Oh yeah, I'm quite "unwell".

And oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....you don't know what to do!

Before they ban me, one more time....

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho

http://homepage.mac.com/dymaxia

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, I did contact your doctor. I hope that you aren't lying about him being your doctor because you need someone to try to help you through this and support you. The people here can only do so much, because you refuse to believe we aren't against you in some fashion, everything we can say to you is proof that we're one of them. And we aren't! But there's nothing any of us can do for you here, we're way too far away from you and you won't believe us at all when we tell you we AREN'T the people you seem to think we are.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Oooohh, goodie. I can hardly wait to get a phone call from him!

Thanks for playing!

Maybe now I can get another 'leave of absence'...subsidized by my employer, or, in the first case, paid in full by an anonymous benefactor.

'Cos I got a shitload of research to do!

And you can be sure that I'll be posting .pdf's of ALL the crazy 'inquiring' paperwork and forged insurance claims when
I get back!!

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, what makes you think a bunch of music nerds on the internet are in league with CoS etc?

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Well if you get a leave of absence that'd be good, I mean I like having leaves of absence!! More time to watch b-ball and work out and shop!

Seriously, Kerry, I used to go out with someone who had the exact same problems you're describing...except not with Scientologists...and the only way to help is to get someone with authority on the job, you know. Like a doctor or something. We can't do anything about it other than sympathise and worry.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3567/emotwtc1rv.gif

meh.., Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, my favorite one was when you forged the Finnish guy....in Americanese!

Oh Christ, this is really serious. It's a good thing you called her doctor, Ally. Is anyone here personally acquainted with Kerry? It might be rather important to contact her relatives or someone else close to her too. I don't think anyone should answer her posts, there's little hope of reasoning with her at this point. Much as we'd want to we can't help her through the Internet.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 7 October 2005 09:32 (eighteen years ago) link

an even better idea: let's all talk about her as if she's not here!

lol, Friday, 7 October 2005 10:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I could talk to her and say that I'm not "forged", I could offer her all the possible proof, but I doubt she'd believe me. She has somehow in her head formed an idea that ILX is out to get her, and she'd probably interpret any attempt on our part to debunk these ludicrous claims as another part of this "conspiracy".

This is really awful and scary, but there probably isn't anything we can do for her through this board, maybe just make things worse. What did her doctor say, Ally?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 7 October 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Would you take a good hard look at the last paragraph you just typed and then get a gigantic clue, Tuomas?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

What I meant was talking straight to her in here is of no use, but if someone can actually contact someone who knows her that'd be good. I think folks are a bit scared and worried about this whole affair and would like to know what's going on with her, but yeah, you're right, if Ally has talked to her doctor she shouldn't post anything about it here. Sorry about the last line, I was kinda upset about this and was writing hastily.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

dan didn't you refer to her as a rabid dog on the baseball thread? just checking.

inez, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's kind of unfair to lay into Dan (or Jon on ILE proper) for posting some crack when it was still pretty unclear that this was for real, and not some joke. I mean her posts on the baseball thread initially made very little reference to herself or anything being done to her, they sounded like some completely nutty super sports fan psycho joke act! Though it's not really fair to yell at Tuomas here either.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:55 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM. When I first looked at the thread, I was one click of the submit button away from posting something really terrible when I realized it wasn't a joke.

Not that I'm the cuddliest poster in the world, but lay off, people didn't know, blah blah blah.

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, why would the Scientologists hate the White Sox?

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe Xenu betted against them

am0n, Friday, 7 October 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought most people on ARS were anti-clams anyway. I thought that was the point.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 8 October 2005 06:07 (eighteen years ago) link

There is some ODD shit going on in here.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 October 2005 00:13 (eighteen years ago) link


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