in retrospect, how did Rob Liefeld ever manage to hold down a artist job in the comics industry?

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Pehaps if Meatloaf had pec implants on top of his breast implants on top of his pec implants. And he'd just eaten a lemon.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Just for kicks, try to piece together what it would look like if you took away Teh Shield. The chest is the least of it.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe Cap just has gas. In his tits.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Vicar - do you REALLY want e-mail notification?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

OH YEAH, the shield is definitely covering an ass out to THERE!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You've forgotten the patented Liefeld Back Arch(TM), roger! Cap has some breast implants up in that jive somewhere, ergo he's got a girly-back.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yeah, it's totally hilarious! it's one of the most appalling pieces of comic art i've ever seen, actually. dude has a SHELF!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.seinfeld-fan.net/pictures/kramer/kramer027.jpg

Levels.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I once saw a version of this redrawn with no shield and in the nude.

I pray I never see it again.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

No way.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think RL was responsible, though - more likely an anti-liefeldite.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Also - Vicar, do you REALLY want e-mail notification?

why do people keep asking me this?

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Just checking.

(Are you sure?)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Notify!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I once saw a version of this redrawn with no shield and in the nude.

Rob of Finland!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

bwahahaha

oh crap, coffee all over the keyboard again. Damn you, Liefeld!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, I just got the worst mental image thanks to "Rob of Finland".

The Ghost of Some Things Shouldn't Bend Like That (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

a wise comic fan once said to me that Liefeld was popular w/ teenagers cos he cld draw just a BIT better than they cld

This is exactly it, combined with the fact that Rob Liefeld has the taste and enthusiasm of an eight year old boy. He can totally tap into a certain mentality and aesthetic like few other people. Unfortunately, this aesthetic is pretty laughable, but it's definitely the reason why he had so much early success.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 27 October 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Rob L is the dark side of thrill-power basically.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, definitely.

I just read that Wikipedia entry - it actually doesn't seem all that imbalanced to me.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 27 October 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i posted the nude liefeld cap on the ile thread about the hannity/liddy superhero book

_, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Motion to adopt Rob as ILC's Official Ironic Mascot.

Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I seem to remember that his work on the "Hawk and Dove" mini was ok, but he had a good inker.

I remember being really disappointed when the regular series came out and he wasn't the penciller! Admittedly, that was probably the last time I was disappointed not to be looking at Liefeld's art, but there really WAS a time when the McFarlane/Larsen/Liefeld style really seemed like a neat new thing (maybe it helped if you were 12 years old then). Larsen on Doom Patrol, McFarlane on Hulk and Amazing Spider-Man-- all good (the shiteness of "Spider-Man #1 by Todd McFarlane" (props to Mark Martin) probably put an end to this though, even before the Image era came along).

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 27 October 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

this maybe makes me like liefeld a little more. i think.

whatever, Friday, 28 October 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

So are all his good pictures copies of other peope's?

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 29 October 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Only, y'know, a bit wrong. I particularly like the one he ripped off from a porn mag, although that's a crime committed by many.

Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Discovering Jim Valentino's work on "Normalman" after seeing his run on "Guardians of the Galaxy" was a huge WTF? moment for me, because he came from such a hugely different background than the rest of those guys. The Comics Journal article about Image linked in that Wikipedia entry is really illuminating and makes me wish that the writer would go back and update it.

ng-unit, Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Lingerie catalog (I presume) != porn mag!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, even though I find the whole Image school distasteful to the extreme, I can't resist reading about it for all of the schadenfreude goodness.

ng-unit, Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

'porn mag' used as catch-all for lingerie catalog, lad mag etc.

Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Saturday, 29 October 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/Pandas/liefeldWTF.jpg

Cor-Ray (chaki), Saturday, 8 July 2006 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/sage1701/liefeld.gif

Cor-Ray (chaki), Saturday, 8 July 2006 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

DOOD YOU ARE KILLING ME

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Saturday, 8 July 2006 04:25 (eighteen years ago) link

CAN NOT STOP LUAGHIUIUGNB

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Saturday, 8 July 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, it's well established that RL can't or won't draw feet. But what the fuck is up with Robin's right leg?

100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 8 July 2006 09:00 (eighteen years ago) link

AMPUTEE FETISH

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Saturday, 8 July 2006 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
I saw Judgement Day in a shop the other day. I was amazed that it ever got published.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

self-published kinda explains that

energy flash gordon, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't mind the strange body shapes and positions, I'm freaked out by unnatural number of visible teeth.

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J, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Dammit

http://www.checkerbpg.com/images/jd11_md.jpg

J, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Remind me to scan some images of the 10 cent X-Force issues I picked up on holiday recently. These are from the period post-Liefeld and it's amazing how good they make him look by comparison. I want to say it's Rob Pacella pencils and Dan Panosian inks, but I'd love to hear the behind-the-scenes of how much lead time these poor bastards got when it was discovered that Liefeld was gone and somebody needed to ape his style but quick.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 April 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

Via Douglas:
http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

forksclovetofu, Friday, 7 December 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

just giggling my ass off at work reading that.

forksclovetofu, Friday, 7 December 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw that during the blackout and meant to post it when we came back up. I'm glad you guys got to see it.

"He wears a baseball cap backwards, and when he turns it around it's still backwards."

Oilyrags, Saturday, 8 December 2007 01:08 (sixteen years ago) link

"Your characters aren't shitting out ladders when they jump."

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 8 December 2007 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't figure whether liefeld, miller or mcfarlane is the main reason why I don't post here except to talk about old graphic novel reprints, and looking at that, I'm pretty sure the answer is liefeld.

Jesus.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 December 2007 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I haven't read them in years, but I remember thinking that Todd McFarlene's run of Spider-man and especially the Hulk with Peter David that were pretty good. McFarlene was really good at drawing fight scenes and action. There was always a bunch of detail of glass and rock flying all over the place.

I completely missed the whole Image comics boom/bust from the 90s. At least from the couple episodes I saw, I thought that Spawn cartoon HBO did was OK. I never read the comic.

I've got the Hulk run on a DVD, so I may have to revisit those issues. I thought the Mr. Fixit issues were pretty cool way to bring back the gray Hulk. Peter David was one of the better mainstream comic writers of the late 80s.

At least from what I have read of McFarlene, he seems like a douche, so i can understand the blow back, but I remember liking those Marvel issues he did.

earlnash, Saturday, 8 December 2007 06:35 (sixteen years ago) link

#24 won't load for me. :(

Leee, Saturday, 8 December 2007 19:14 (sixteen years ago) link

McFarlane did have a great run on AS-M but jesus, Image was so horrible. Dark times.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 8 December 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

It seems like you dislike this man

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:26 (five years ago) link

never met him

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:51 (five years ago) link

Rob's got a fake interview in the back of Major X #0 where he talks about how it's the most important and biggest of his career and was an idea he had when he was at Marvel the first time and they begged him to come back and do it.

It's a truly awful series, but despite stiff competition the art is by far the worst thing about it - full of static poses, brokeback and crotch shots for starters alongside Rob's well documented inability to draw feet, perspective or anyone holding nothing correctly, but the muscle definition is especially hysterical.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 08:07 (five years ago) link

It's honestly been somewhat impressive over the past three decades to watch someone so assiduously resist growth + improvement in their chosen creative field.

Like how hard would it have been to set aside a cumulative hour or two to really look at a foot.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 11:38 (five years ago) link

Ah, but...

Following the April 2012 release of DC Comics' solicitations for that July, which included Liefeld's covers for The Savage Hawkman #11, Deathstroke #11, and Grifter #11—all of which showed characters' feet—Liefeld, who had been criticized for avoiding drawing characters' feet, commented, "The Hipsters don't know what to do when I draw feet. It confuses them."[106]

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link

“The Hipsters don’t know what to do when I draw feet,” and other totally normal things to say.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link

The Hipsters will continue doing what they've always done, Rob: neither know nor care about your existence.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:24 (five years ago) link

Or is that just his random catch-all term for people who acknowledge his absence of talent

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:25 (five years ago) link

“The Hipsters don’t know what to do when I draw feet,”

new board description plz

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:29 (five years ago) link

what other four-decade veteran of the comics industry could make an event out of rendering anatomy for the first time

he really is comics’ own trump

(Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link

Brokeback Crotchshots, in theaters May 2021

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link

Rob is now "redrawing" this book that ppl gave him thousands of dollars for seven years ago, to remove the characters that he accidentally forgot he doesn't own

I'm, picturing him with a giant eraser going at his pages and it's making me giggle

“The Hipsters don’t know what to do when I draw feet” is some amazingly funny "I'm triggering the haters" dialogue and I agree it's board worthy

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link

I'm picturing him with a giant eraser going at his pages and then redrawing the exact same inept figure he drew seven years before.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link

but with different pouches

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:18 (five years ago) link

different more

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link

Why has he never just created a character like The Pouch, with every inch of human anatomy obscured by countless pouches? Play to your strengths, Rob!

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:22 (five years ago) link

I mean, he kind of has, multiple times over

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:27 (five years ago) link

ha, i know y'all hipsters out there used to watching me.... but don't watch me... watch my feet

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:30 (five years ago) link

I'm Drawing As Fast As I Can

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

(The Rob Liefeld Story)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

POST FEET SWEATIE

(Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link

the hipsters have lots of pouches these days, so we're really in a Liefeld or post-Liefeld world

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link

i haven't seen any giant ponytails emerging straight out of the top of otherwise shaved heads, but we are moving back to bushwick in a few weeks so i will keep y'all posted

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link

kudos doc casino on the footwork reference

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link

Why has he never just created a character like The Pouch, with every inch of human anatomy obscured by countless pouches? Play to your strengths, Rob!

why must you constantly underestimate this man

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:31 (five years ago) link

I love that the pouch gun is firing... a pouch

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link

that literally is the best Liefeld drawing I've ever seen

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link

Agreed - tho the intersection of gun & left hand still isn't quite right.

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 17:57 (five years ago) link

that literally is the best Liefeld drawing I've ever seen


well it is composed entirely of the one thing rob has spent his entire career drawing

(Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link

OMG, I...I honestly thought I was just being a wisenheimer.

It's simultaneously his best and most self-aware drawing ever.

Come and Rock Me, Hot Potatoes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:05 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLFNU_-K54M
Only watched bits of it but was amused by Liefeld saying "you can have a sword and a gun!" reminding me of an image Sic posted above. He does an impression of Alan Moore talking about Pulp Fiction and a bit about Stephen Platt hating him now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 22 June 2020 21:48 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

Liefeld memoir Robservations forthcoming. Or, y'know, at least like the first two chapters and then maybe a third chapter seven years from now.

God help me but I think I need to read this POS.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:07 (seven months ago) link

a+++++++++ title, quite possibly there are not enough plus signs in all of math to convey how stupid/roflmao/stupid that title is. like he's been jealously guarding this brilliant little nugget since elementary school and he's finally ready to share it with the world. bless that fucking dork.

"enthusiast" (cat), Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:10 (seven months ago) link

ROBSERVATIONS

Lock human culture

chap, Friday, 5 April 2024 23:13 (seven months ago) link

I've Got My Own Autobiography To Do

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:59 (seven months ago) link


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