Aldo reads DC's New 52 (So you don't have to)

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My guess? He writes a high-profile-ish title co-created by Stephen King and thusly probably doesn't have to deal with the level of editorial dipshittery that the flood of departing creators have had to.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

BONUS BACKUP STORY! ALDO WHINGES ABOUT THE SHITE HE WASN'T PREPARED TO PAY FOR!

Batwing #7: As this story comes to an end, I'm actually enjoying it again. It was never strong enough to be title on its own but it's actually been pretty strong and the revelation of the shame of The Kingdom and the subsequent fallout is pretyt rivetting. It doesn't need the whole Batclub, but they're not really in it enough to matter. As a book, a failure, but probably worth getting as a trade for people who do that sort of thing.

Green Arrow #7: What a difference having an actual writer makes. It's still not any good, but it's a step in the right direction. The annoying triplets feels like it's been done lots of times before but is distracting enough, and the jet crash is (I'm sure) supposed to be reminiscent of the original crash in the sea (yes, I know it was a yacht) in the original original origin. Yes, since this is the New DC then sex and lust have to be the trap but I'm sure Anne Nocenti is good enough to shake off the yoke of DiDiopression. Not going to start buying it, but not painful to read any more - although the art is vile.

JLI #7: Aargh. Mid-80s high-emotion people-angst books. "You take care of her, you hear!" "Lots of people lost good people in the bomb. Yours isn't any more special." Anyway, Rocket Red gets all his armour blown off, Ice and Vixen are crippled and Fire is in a coma. Booster and Guy are angry. Booster is so angry about it, he writes about it on his Facespace page. I think I've been in a coma since 1988 and am reading a brand-new, just out book. Help me.

Men of War #7: The first story is like Garth Ennis' War Stories books, only not any good. The second is by JT Krul. A waste of paper.

OMAC #7: And now, in the second last issue, it throws Kamandi into the mix as well. A misunderstood masterpiece, even if it rips off Kirby in EVERY SINGLE PANEL. Another one where people should buy the trade, as the collected edition of this will be an absolute joy.

Static Shock #7: Conversely, there is nothing to enjoy about this at all. Except maybe "Phayze". That's a hip and happening name for a black teenage villain, I imagine. What's that? It isn't? Oh well.

Deathstroke #7: Do you really need me to tell you? Daddy issues and blokes stabbing each other. As entertaining as you'd imagine it is.

Green Lantern #7: Hal doesn't want to be GL any more. Sinestro tries to convince him he should, so Hal responds by becoming GL in protest. Wtf? Anyway, they have to stop the Indigo Tribe (who may be the Guardians' new pet project) and get transported into space, so Carol becomes Star Sapphire again. Plus some other history from Geoff Johns books you've never read or cared about. What I still don't get is how the GLs avoided Flashpoint, since it was supposed to be Barry Allen changing time everywhere although he did for some Lanterns, just not all of them. Editor!

Grifter #7: A long fight between Grifter and Midnighter, interspersed with them spouting more Wildstorms shite to alleviate the FITEING does not make an entertaining book. I can't work out who wins, but Midnighter now seems to have atomic fists.A waste of time.

Mister Terrific #7: Invisible enemies. Again. I swear half the books in the reboot have had invisible foes at some point. I have decided it is just to save ink. There's no other explanation. And there's no explanation for paying money for this book. Bottom of the barrel stuff. Digitus turns up next month, apparently. I bet you can't wait.

Resurrection Man #7: MAKE IT STOP. In this issue, some police find Mitch and he dies. Then, luckily, he gets a power which helps him in the position he's in. Then the issue's over. I think that's explained every issue to date. It's like The Littlest Hobo without the dog.

Superboy #7: No universe punching, just moping round N.O.W.H.E.R.E. fighting jealous sisters. Fairchild is still alive and Wonder Girl turns up at the end, just before Grunge. Yes, it's 1992. Oh boy. This leads into RAVAGERS, apparently, which can't be a good thing.

Hawk & Dove #7: Liefeld, Liefeld and Marat Michaels. Page 3 implies Dawn has no nipples (or only one). I'm going with none, given her dress is sheer enough to show her navel. "Chicken and waffles? My treat?" "See, that's music I can groove to." Oh, and the foot in Hunter's first panel. Hunter's super-long and, apparently, bisected arm in the panel where Hawk attacks him. An Oriental (?) woman with a massive package turns up and explains the plot to the stars. Entertaining for all the wrong reasons, again.

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

And that's me for four weeks. Until then, MAKE MINE MEDIOCRE!

Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

IT'S BOB HARRAS' WORLD, ROB JUST LIVES IN IT

Rob Liefeld is a bit worried about sales on the three books that he is taking over, and ingeniously reviving by combining them into one "cosmic" crossover storyline (shocked, I say shocked, that dude doesn't have three different ideas in his head for these three comics and is going to write them as one).

Despite the best efforts of the creative teams, sales have fallen off a cliff for these books. In May we provide new jumping on points 4 all

Don't worry Rob, you'll probably be made EIC once these flop: HAWKMAN is currently ranked 103rd and DEATHSTROKE 104th, each selling approx 15% of what Batman does. GRIFTER is 126th, selling 12/BatmanX100.

Liefeld's axed HAWK AND DOVE was in 135th, 11% of a Batman.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 04:39 (twelve years ago) link

Still! The dude obviously has a keen plan for how to revitalise HAWKMAN, seven issues after his convoluted history was finally resolved with the refreshing line-wide Nu-52 reboot:

We are streamlining it all ... brand new myth revealed!

What a head-slappingly elegant solution! Except for in 1961, 1985, 1989, 1990, c. 1991, c. 1992, 1994, 1999, 2002, 2005, 2008 and 2011, no-one has ever thought to reboot Hawkman's continuity in order to smooth out and streamline all the inconsistencies. This bold new 2012 initiative is proof enough of why Rob's creative vision should be part of the cohesive new, well-planned continuity.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

BTW: Twitter reveals Rob to be both wildly enthusiastic:

https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x300&chd=t:0.423814730146,0.576185269854&chl=With|Without&chtt=Percent+of+Tweets+With+Exclamation+Points&chco=0000FF
(image probably won't show - from excitableliefeld.com)

and an illiterate doofus unaware that foreign languages are, you know, a "thing":

Zoo Be Zoo Be Zoo

I'll be humming that all night. #madmen

Zoo B Zoo B Zoo

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't been following the new Wonder Woman series, but according to the reviews Brian Azzarello has decided to deconstruct the Amazons so that they are horrible rapists and murderers? Which, as Kelly Thompson points out here, is kind of a shitty move, considering that WW and the Amazons are one of the few (and probably the most iconic) positive examples of female empowerment in superhero comics. Despite not having liked Azzarello's previous comics (for the exact reason that they felt overtly dark and "edgy") I was considering of giving his WW run a go, but now I'm not so sure if I want to...

Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 09:19 (twelve years ago) link

Thompson is going off half-cocked. She keeps pointing out in that piece that she doesn't know this, that or the other but decides to rail against it anyways instead of waiting to see where it leads. She also conveniently skips over huge swathes of the Wonder Woman stories (like her origin as a fetish-perv's dream) to fit her own conceptions of the Amazons and what they stand for. She has a point but not as strong or convincingly argued one as she thinks.

If you skip Wonder Woman you're missing one of the few highlights of the new 52. Just remember it's more of a classic Vertigo comic than an 4-color romp.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 12:28 (twelve years ago) link

She also conveniently skips over huge swathes of the Wonder Woman stories (like her origin as a fetish-perv's dream) to fit her own conceptions of the Amazons and what they stand for.

TBH though, I think her criticism is based on how the Amazons were presented in the comics that preceded the new reboot, which doesn't seem like a terribly unfair point of comparison. Gail Simone's recent run especially did a nice job of depicting the Amazons as not-perfect, while still keeping the female empowerment aspect.

If you skip Wonder Woman you're missing one of the few highlights of the new 52. Just remember it's more of a classic Vertigo comic than an 4-color romp.

I guess I might still check the new WW out once it gets collected, but IMO if Azzarello wanted to write a Vertigo comic, he should've done a Vertigo comic with original characters. If you get handed an established, iconic character, you have a certain responsibility towards the history of said character, especially if the character is one of the few feminist icons superhero comics have. Like some of the commenters in the Thompson article point out, I don't think that many readers would want to see a Superhero where Ma and Pa Kent turn out to be racist bigots, or a Spider-Man story where Uncle Ben is a pedophile, even if the story itself was good.

But I accept that still particular arc isn't over yet, so maybe the twist will be overturned or something.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway, I realize I'm criticizing a comic I haven't read (except for those few pages quoted in the Thompson article), so I'll try to do that before saying anything more on the subject.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

What part of reboot is beyond people's understanding? It doesn't matter what Simone or Perez or anyone did with any of the characters. This is a new take, freed from the slavish, nonsensical continuity. Those stories still exist, in the same way s&m Wonder Woman does, and nothing Azzarello does will change that fact.

I should have said Vertigo precursor. This in tone is like Animal Man or Swamp Thing or Shade or Sandman of the late 80s (it's unfamiliar take on the familiar owes much Sandman). The Greek myths are nasty, cruel, vicious, capricious, etc., and his Wonder Woman is both of and apart from that world.

I think Thompson is premature in her fear of non-empowerment. This is the story one God has told her, and the Gods have already proven to be duplicitous and false in the comic. Nothing is as it seems, and Wonder Woman's surety in her actions are continually undercut both from within and without.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

Justice League #7 had a little bit of water-treading but was great; it's kind of fun seeing the DC big guns be mostly abrasive and somewhat annoying to each other.

Also Batman is hilarious.

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link

The presentation iof the Amazons is very consistent with their Greek muth origins, which is all of a piece with the comic as a whole. Works very well, I think, but I have no fondness and little knowledge of earlier versions of Wonder Woman.

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

Fair enough, but if you read the article I linked to and the comments, the problem many Wonder Woman fans have with the new series is before it, that DC Amazons were not, and have never been, consistent with the Greek myth. They were, essentially, a feminist reinterpretation of a sexist myth. So I can see why changing them so that they are in accordance with the original myth would upset many people, especially those who have found the female empowerment aspect of the DC Amazons appealing.

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 March 2012 08:07 (twelve years ago) link

EZ Snappin is right to suggest that WW's status as a feminist icon or whatevs is not straight-forward or unproblematic, and its further complicated by the character being a corporate comic property that can be rewritten or revised in hundreds of different ways, depending on editorial whim, greed, stupidty etc - i mean, is azzarello (a writer i have never ever cared for tbh) 'betraying' THIS entirely legitimate vision/version of WW?:
http://www.comicshack.com/Images/WonderWomanVol1158Th88456_f.jpg

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 29 March 2012 08:19 (twelve years ago) link

Again, that is from decades ago. I assume the critics of Azzarello's series are contrasting it with the more recent, post-Crisis version of Wonder Woman and the Amazons.

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 March 2012 08:24 (twelve years ago) link

Also, Egg Fu has nothing to do with the Amazons, which is what the controversy is about.

Tuomas, Thursday, 29 March 2012 08:26 (twelve years ago) link

Egg Fu should be in all New 52 titles.

mh, Thursday, 29 March 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link

ah was just reading about Egg Fu in an old issue of Ambush Bug

You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

egg fu was pretty crazy to see during the 52 series following IC

Nhex, Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

I want original-style egg fu

mh, Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Dan DiDio details the projects he's proudest of over his decade at DC. In a shocking twist, they are universally shit*, except for Batman R.I.P., about which he gets almost all facts incorrect. Also, for a writer and editor, he proves himself generally incapable of fact-checking, using punctuation, constructing sentences, or knowing what words mean.



*OK, 52 might not be shit, I only read two issues**. But his account is a pile of lies, so.

** one with Ambush Bug in it when it came out, one that's mainly Batman written by Morrison, later, when trying to read his run properly.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

52 is great, shockingly enough. I think the presence of Morrison made everyone else step up their game. That run of DC Morrison stuff from Seven Soldiers through Batman, Inc. is one of my favorite comic runs of all time.

The Itchy And Scratchy Glowbo Blow (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

btw jeph loeb sucks

mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

I also heard that water was wet.

The Itchy And Scratchy Glowbo Blow (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

I state this only because I was led to believe that he did something notable or somesuch in his Batman writing and then I read it and it was all so incredibly mediocre

mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

To be perfectly honest, Jeph Loeb's continued career in the comics field is more mystifying to me than Rob Liefeld's. He is the absolute worst, and the fact that he's being pulled back into the Marvel U proper is enough to keep me away from the Marvel U.

Brock Peuchk (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Jeph Loeb writes self-consciously "important" comics that totally suck basically

Number None, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

But we already have Mark Waid!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 March 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

Did he invent the Hush character? Not completely horrible, but the intro story and every other bit of it is blaaaah.

mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

i enjoyed Long Halloween and Hush and the first volume of Superman/Batman, but he kinda had a steep drop-off after that

Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2012 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know, Long Halloween or whatever seemed like a really basic intro to all the villain characters with a thin plot. The animated series had deeper plots!

mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

in some cases yes, but they were really fun reads to me at the time, even if neither story holds up to any level of examination. like a trashy, geeky tv show that keeps you glued in week to week with a convoluted backstory with endless cliffhangers, but is ultimately disposable. also, both those books for me brought me back to reading Batman after many years away from comics, because of their accessibility and familiarity (Year One in the case of the Long Halloween, Jim Lee's art in the case of Hush). I guess no matter how bad his stuff is now, i'm really glad he made those two books.

the problem with Loeb's later stuff is that basically went too far IMO, and by the time he was writing Ultimates I stopped reading... though the little i read of Red Hulk went so far in the crazy/stupid direction, it almost redeemed itself

Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

Ultimates -> Ultimatum are pretty much the worst comics ever

mh, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

To be fair, Red Hulk has been perfectly readable since Jeff Parker took over. The only reason to read the issues by Loeb are for the Ed McGuinness art.

The first arc of BATMAN/SUPERMAN was big goofball fun, but I suspect much of that is sheer novelty, as it was pretty unlike most anything DC was putting out at the time. HUSH was a muddled mess, even discounting the editorial interference that rewrote the ending (think it was actually supposed to be Jason Todd underneath it all but that got scotched.) But everyone loved it because it was parade of Bat-rogues as drawn by Jim Lee.

ULTIMATES has been utterly dire, from what I've seen of it.

Matt M., Saturday, 31 March 2012 00:36 (twelve years ago) link

Loeb Ultimates is dreadful, Millar Ultimates is BigScreen Fun, which would be a shame if this was all the comics that there ever were, but it isn't.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 31 March 2012 07:22 (twelve years ago) link

first Millar Ultimates was big screen fun, second one was dire

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 31 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link

Remember reading HUSH a couple of years after it first came out, due to all the hype, didn't like it--especially lolworthy was the way that a new mysterious villain is introduced who KNOWS SECRETS ABOUT BATMAN, and at the same time we are suddenly given another brand new character who was Bruce Wayne's best childhood friend, and somehoe it is supposed to be a surprise that the two are really the same guy (gasp!)

Clive Palmer? 'E barely touched 'er! (James Morrison), Sunday, 1 April 2012 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I know quite a few lapsed comics readers who got back into reading them via Long Halloween and Hush. I think they're pretty great entry-level books. I'm a sucker for those sprawling crime-saga-y Batman stories, where he's almost a secondary character.

Dark Victory is absolute shite, though.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, i don't really know what he was doing with that

Nhex, Monday, 2 April 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link

one of the most disappointing changes in the new 52 was rectified this week in Secret Six when we were shown the secret origin of Deadshot's mustache.

teeny, Saturday, 14 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

It's Mr Mind balancing on his upper lip?

seven league bootie (James Morrison), Sunday, 15 April 2012 07:59 (twelve years ago) link

Superboy punched him in the mouth?

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 15 April 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

Latest ACTION was pretty okay, but then I remind myself that I'm paying three bucks for that much comics and then it feels thin.

Matt M., Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

At least this was the first issue in the run that actually had the page count of (Morrison) comics that DC promise at that price.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

"one of the most disappointing changes in the new 52 was rectified this week in Secret Six when we were shown the secret origin of Deadshot's mustache."

I've been avoiding those as I am such a Deadshot fan and really thought he (and really the current Secret Six) were the kind of things that DC needed to showcase instead of trying to change up. Those characters are great. I think Floyd is about my favorite 'non major' super hero/bad guy character. I loved the old 80s Suicide Squad and Simone Secret Six.

earlnash, Thursday, 19 April 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link

I mean that for real, Floyd is one of my very favorites too and when he appeared clean-shaven in Suicide Squad (not secret six, oops) I was totally mad. But that one is actually a pretty fun title, not quite as good as Ostrander and Simone but it can sit right next to them.

teeny, Saturday, 21 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

Writer: Grant Morrison
Artists: Rags Morales, Rick Bryant, Brent Anderson, Gene Ha, Andy Kubert and Jesse Delperdang

Obviously Kubert isn’t so excited about drawing those two last-minute story-derailing issues that he can do them by himself. This shows amazing confidence that Morales will have his shit together enough to draw #7 and #8 though!

― ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Friday, 11 November 2011 07:58 (5 months ago)

So after two months off and substitute artists drawing half of each of the three issues before that, Rags Morales DID manage to draw 70% of #7! The remaining 8 pages being one of those unwanted, redundant, insulting back-up stories by Sholly Fisch that DC insist count towards the $3.99 = 28ish pp price tag.

In an amazing advance, #8 is the first issue to actually provide A FULL 30 PAGES OF MORRISON SUPERMAN for the $3.99 cover price. However, despite two months off to catch up and never turning in one single full issue to date (and only one, ever, without partial fill-ins to even make it to the should-be-$2.99 page count), Morales needs two CREDITED partial fill-in artists, and what looks like two more uncredited assistants or ghosts to my eye, to get this issue done.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 22 April 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

The worst part is that to my eye, Rags Morales just isn't that good an artist. Competent, yes. But nothing to get excited over.

Matt M., Sunday, 22 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

Barely this side of competent tbh (I've never read anything else by him)

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 22 April 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link


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