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I fell for it too. Guess I underestimated the acidity of BBC control-booth humour.

Matt M., Friday, 13 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

I finally read Neonomicon, and I have to say, wtf?! Okay, I know it's a horror comic, and I'm not saying - SPOILER ALERT! - rape isn't an issue that can't be dealt with in horror, but I can't figure out any good reason why the series should have such an extended, graphic rape scenes. If Moore just wanted the reader to get what happened to the protagonist, that could've been done in one or two pages, without such attention detail. The only explanation I can think of is that Moore has some kind of a weird rape fetish; the subject does seem to come up often in his comics, though obviously it hasn't been done to this extent before.

I read some analysis online that claimed the whole comic is a meta commentary on how women are treated in American mainstream comics, and this is what justifies the depiction of rape in it. I'm not totally sold on that theory, but even if it were the truth, surely you can get the message across without using what amounts to rape/torture porn. Seriously, after having read Neonomicon, I felt so angry for having paid for this thing that I almost burned the whole comic.

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:50 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, my reaction wasn't as extreme as that but I did find it rather nasty without having a particularly interesting story.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link

In it I noticed that his dialogue is getting pretty lazy these days as well.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:57 (eleven years ago) link

What mystifies me the most is, the part in Lost Girls where Wendy faces Captain Hook as he's about to molest here is one of the strongest anti-rape scenes I've ever seen in comics, so I can't for the life of me understand how the same writer could come up with this?

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:00 (eleven years ago) link

a year or so before it came out, Moore said he couldn't remember much about it because he'd been in such a terrible frame of mind when he'd taken the commission (years earlier even than that) but he thought it was probably very unpleasant and he might not read it himself

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

That's weird... Weren't Burrows's pages sent to him for his approval before they were printed? Didn't he even want to see what the final product looked like before it was published under his name?

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link

He did it 100% for the paycheck so I'm sure his level of interest was much less than on other projects.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link

It's funny. "The Courtyard" is a pretty neat little short story. Everything comicswise that's come from it, however, has been...not that great. But even Alan Moore is capable of phoning stuff in, I suppose.

Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

The only explanation I can think of is that Moore has some kind of a weird rape fetish

has Moore ever done a run on a comic that didn't feature a rape scene at some point? serious question.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

I mean I love him but I would say yeah dude unequivocally has a rape fetish.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe MIRACLEMAN? It's been a long time, though.

Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Johnny Bates gets raped by another boy in the orphanage? foster home? wherever it was -- prompts him to turn back into Kid Miracleman.

Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

Is there rape in Tom Strong?

I don't remember one in Supreme either. But it is weird that it's a go-to traumatic trigger for him.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

Well, was thinking female rape, but yeah, there's that in...the first or second issue? Slipped my mind.

Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

I think it was #14. During the Totleben run.

Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link

Right. It's obviously been so long since I've read those that I should've just kept my yap shut.

Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

Is there rape in Tom Strong?

hmmm good catch. I can't remember one off the top of my head. The whole thing is so lighthearted it's possible he managed to eschew it.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

also re: Miracleman - Gargunza rapes/molests the sleeping miracle-woman or whatever iirc (altho I can't remember if this is shown explicitly or just referenced)

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

but yeah I haven't read those in forever either. I think my brother has the individual issues.

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link

don't remember any rapes in the bojeffries saga

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link

or maxwell the magic cat

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

or captain britain

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

or big numbers

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, but he never finished that

Number None, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

or warpsmith

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

or skizz

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

or halo jones

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

or top ten

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

Well there's statutory in Top Ten. And the whole teen sidekick prostitution ring thing.

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

plus SMAX has rape, and that's kinda Top Ten

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

so basically all the early British stuff which I've never read and for a long time was unavailable in the US is rape-free. glad we cleared that up

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link

oh right, didn't realise when you said "has Moore ever done a run on a comic that didn't feature a rape scene at some point? serious question" you actually meant "please validate my ignorance"

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link

He's matured into the rape fantasist we all know and love.

Neil Jung (WmC), Thursday, 12 July 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

lol

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe only after he started working in American comics then...

Matt M., Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

America brings out the rapist in everyone. Just ask Tosh.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

Peter Tosh is a rapist?!

Tuomas, Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

"Legalize it"

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

Peter Tork is a papist!?!

Lewis Apparition (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 12 July 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

No rape in Killing Joke, just the jolly breaking of a woman's spine.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

And of course the rape in LoEG is gay, and the raypee is invisible so it doesn't count.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

i thought invisible guy was the perp?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 12 July 2012 21:53 (eleven years ago) link

Nah, Mr Hyde totally bum raped the Invisible Man. To death.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but the Invisible Man was the original rapist

Number None, Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, he's raping merrily away in the girls' boarding school

for a long time was unavailable in the US

lol when

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

in the 80s when I was a kid and couldn't buy them at comic book stores

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 13 July 2012 03:24 (eleven years ago) link

Mina gets assaulted in the first or second issue of the first series. Or at least threatened to be assaulted by swarthy foreigners.

Matt M., Friday, 13 July 2012 04:03 (eleven years ago) link

in the 80s when I was a kid and couldn't buy them at comic book stores

these were out in TPBs from 1986 which iirc was the 80s

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Friday, 13 July 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

No rape in Killing Joke, just the jolly breaking of a woman's spine.

Am I the only one who felt rape was totally implied in that scene, and the only reason Moore didn't explicitly use it was because it was a mainstream DC book and a major character?

Tuomas, Friday, 13 July 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link


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